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(09-21-2017, 01:58 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2017, 01:54 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely not.  Name a manning who was a backup while at prime of his career?  Exactly

What in the blue hell are you talking about?

He was the backup to Eli Manning.  So couldn't show what he had outside of a preseason game.

(09-21-2017, 02:03 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2017, 01:58 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]What in the blue hell are you talking about?

He was the backup to Eli Manning.  So couldn't show what he had outside of a preseason game.

He sure showed a lot in the 2nd and 3rd preseason games of 2016... Really impressible showing of 2-12 for 25 yards and 6-19 for 69 yards.

And that was some of his most recent work... All-Pro numbers boys, All-Pro.

(09-21-2017, 02:13 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2017, 02:03 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]He was the backup to Eli Manning.  So couldn't show what he had outside of a preseason game.

He sure showed a lot in the 2nd and 3rd preseason games of 2016... Really impressible showing of 2-12 for 25 yards and 6-19 for 69 yards.

And that was some of his most recent work... All-Pro numbers boys, All-Pro.

Had to do something that was not a read option QB.  I applaud them.  All read option lately have failed.

(09-20-2017, 01:22 PM)TearExtractor Wrote: [ -> ]I want a QB better than Kaep, there are none available right now.

There are none. Such qbs are quickly swooped up with Brandon Allen being the latest example.

(09-20-2017, 01:35 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]See video above. We aren't wanting Kaep because we think he's the greatest qb. We are wanting him because he's the best qb available. He's way better than the chumps on our roster right now. Maybe nassib can be good. But he hasn't shown anything so far in the NFL. Kaep has. This is what we are saying here. You're not being honest with yourself if you say otherwise...

Look, Kaepernick is better than Henne, Nassib and anyone else currently out there, but hes not THAT much better to be worth the baggage he brings with him. What some here are missing is that Kaep is not better than Bortles. Rather, Kaep IS Bortles. You'd be replacing a guy with the same guy. Kaep has had great days as a starting qb, and he's also had days that made people wonder if Gabbert is better. For this team, Kaep is not the answer.

So why is Kaep still out there? Well, the Cowboy signed Luke McCown over him. Some of you might remember when he was here, and it's truly a joke if you think he's better than Kaep. So why didn't Jones sign Kaep? Well, he said Luke was a better, fit, bla, bla, but when asked about his entire team standing and saluting the flag for the pledge opening day, Jones said the following...

"I got to give a big pat on the back to our entire team, our coaching staff, our entire organization," Jones said Tuesday morning on 105.3 The Fan's Shan and RJ show [KRLD-FM]. "We strongly, strongly support the flag. In every way, we support -- it's almost ridiculous to be saying it -- the people that for generations and generations have given it all up so we can get out here and show off in front of millions of people on television. We respect that so much. That's the real business.

"The forum of the NFL and the forum on television is a very significant thing. I'm for it being used in every way we can to support the great, great contributors in our society and that's people that have supported America, the flag, and there's no reason not to go all out right there. For anybody to use parts of that visibility to do otherwise is really disappointing." - link

(09-20-2017, 01:51 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]If the intention is to upgrade the position, and the goal is to do so long-term, Kaepernick does not represent the guy to fill that role.  It's not rocket science.  If he's only marginally better than what we have currently, that may placate the SJW crowd who is convinced he's only out of the league because of his anthem kneeling, but it fixes absolutely nothing.  He doesn't address the issue this team needs to deal with, which is actually upgrading the position permanently.  It's pointless to bring in a band aid that is barely better than what is already here because the playbook would need to basically be tossed out and dumbed down so that Kaepernick isn't asked to do more than he's capable of doing.  

You want a QB better than Kaepernick, but you're arguing the case to bring him in, and all you're doing by going down that path is perpetuating the need.  The team is far better off to continue down their current path and look at their options once the season is over with.  It is what it is at this point.  There will be options available for this team, and they have the resources to land a true upgrade if they decide to do so in free agency when there WILL be quality QBs to pursue.  Kaepernick just isn't a guy that's worth bringing in for this team.

I totally agree with this, but at the same time you have to admit that his political stance is part of it. He's not the fit we need because he's not a potential future starter, however, without his "baggage," as I term it, Kaep would be almost a no-brainer signing over Henne and Nassib. If it wasn't for his kneeling, he'd definitely be on a roster by now.

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(09-20-2017, 02:13 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]I think for Coughlin in particular, he doesn't see the upside in bringing in a guy who is only marginally better than what is already here with the added baggage creating a potential distraction bigger than the controversy just signing him would bring.  If Kaepernick had the abilities of one of the high middle tier QBs in the league, they'd consider it.  He doesn't.  The team wouldn't go to the playoffs on the back of Kaepernick this year.  Too many other holes to deal with, and development to be had with the young roster.  At best, he takes a 4 win team to a 5 win team.  Let's strike up the band and have a parade over that kind of improvement.

Sorry, it's just not worth it, and the team has already made that abundantly clear.  So, continuing to harp on about bringing him in is nothing more than wasted energy because it's not going to happen.

Exactly. So we are on the same page.

(09-20-2017, 03:12 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]I thought the whole Kaepernick thing was pretty abundantly obvious by now, but I guess not.

Kaep is a distraction.  Whether you like it or not, whether its his fault or not, whether its fair or not, it is fact.  In the NFL, once you become a media distraction, your career is over.  Being an average, above average, or even good quarterback doesn't matter.  You better be a top 10 quarterback that can put a team on your back and carry a bad team through the playoffs to outweigh the distractions and get a contract.  Tim Tebow, wherever he falls on the spectrum, was not an elite quarterback; hence why his last games were playoff starts as a second year player only to see leaguewide banishment shortly thereafter.  Kaepernick is not an elite quarterback.  His career is likely over.

^^^^^ this  

(09-21-2017, 01:41 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]I will shed light on Colin situation real quick.   We all can agree Colin is a read option QB right?  We also can agree the likes of RG3, Manziel, Tebow and many others have failed right?  The read option gimmick has been exposed right?   Or can ya name one read option QB who lately has any success in The NFL?  Of course you Can't.   That style does not work in the NFL.  

So if the read option style is a epic fail in the NFL?   And Colin is in fact a read option QB?  Then common sense says.   He is not on a roster because a read option qb.  And read option has failed at the NFL level.

Russell Wilson
Cam Newton
Tyrod Taylor

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27337...redictions

It's never too early to start looking at who our next QB is going to be.  

You have to expect both Bortles and Henne are gone next year.  Dream scenario is Alex Smith as a free agent pickup, then pick our QB of the future in the 1st round to be groomed by Alex for the next 2-3 years.

(09-21-2017, 06:35 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2017, 01:41 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]I will shed light on Colin situation real quick.   We all can agree Colin is a read option QB right?  We also can agree the likes of RG3, Manziel, Tebow and many others have failed right?  The read option gimmick has been exposed right?   Or can ya name one read option QB who lately has any success in The NFL?  Of course you Can't.   That style does not work in the NFL.  

So if the read option style is a epic fail in the NFL?   And Colin is in fact a read option QB?  Then common sense says.   He is not on a roster because a read option qb.  And read option has failed at the NFL level.

Russell Wilson
Cam Newton
Tyrod Taylor

Nope, those guys are terrible this year. The League caught up to them, just like every other fad system the last 40 years.

(09-21-2017, 07:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2017, 06:35 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Russell Wilson
Cam Newton
Tyrod Taylor

Nope, those guys are terrible this year. The League caught up to them, just like every other fad system the last 40 years.

Cam wasn't looking too shabby week one.

(09-21-2017, 08:45 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2017, 07:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, those guys are terrible this year. The League caught up to them, just like every other fad system the last 40 years.

Cam wasn't looking too shabby week one.

Cam was limited to being a game manager in week 1. He was essentially Bortles.

(09-21-2017, 08:45 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2017, 07:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, those guys are terrible this year. The League caught up to them, just like every other fad system the last 40 years.

Cam wasn't looking too shabby week one.

Of the 3, Cam is the one who is truly a superior athlete and would probably be successful in any system. His numbers last year tanked, and he's played the Bills and 49rs with right at 400 yards passing this year, not exactly tearing up the league.

I'm still wondering how Cam can get beat upside the head but no flag gets thrown. Then, when a Jag simply touches DeShaun Watson in week 1 there's a roughing the passer penalty; heck, even Watson was shocked at the call when he was running off the field thinking they were going to punt.

(09-21-2017, 09:41 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still wondering how Cam can get beat upside the head but no flag gets thrown.  Then, when a Jag simply touches DeShaun Watson in week 1 there's a roughing the passer penalty; heck, even Watson was shocked at the call when he was running off the field thinking they were going to punt.

Those penalties are way too inconsistent.  CAM can get the snot beat out of him.

(09-21-2017, 02:13 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He sure showed a lot in the 2nd and 3rd preseason games of 2016... Really impressible showing of 2-12 for 25 yards and 6-19 for 69 yards.

And that was some of his most recent work... All-Pro numbers boys, All-Pro.

(09-21-2017, 10:05 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-21-2017, 02:13 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He sure showed a lot in the 2nd and 3rd preseason games of 2016... Really impressible showing of 2-12 for 25 yards and 6-19 for 69 yards.

And that was some of his most recent work... All-Pro numbers boys, All-Pro.

You laugh, but the Jags receivers don't get enough practice with only Bortles and Henne. It's especially important that they get practice catching off-target throws, and Nassib is an expert on those.

(09-18-2017, 03:28 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]How can this team NOT want the publicity with Kaep? We are the smallest market, most irrelevant team in the league, all publicity is good.

Normal I agree... but I don't think that applies to people that don't stand for the national anthem. Some things are bigger than football.

Do people still not grasp the whole not standing for the national anthem has nothing to do with disrespecting the military but raising awareness on social issues against minorities? How in the hell is that a bad thing.

The fact that people are so triggered about this is hilarious to me.

(09-21-2017, 06:24 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]Do people still not grasp the whole not standing for the national anthem has nothing to do with disrespecting the military but raising awareness on social issues against minorities? How in the hell is that a bad thing.

The fact that people are so triggered about this is hilarious to me.

People view things how they view things. Intent doesn't matter. If a large number of customers are offended by something, it's not good business to do it.

Besides, Kaepernick sucks.