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NE gets calls their way. You don't have to feel embarrassed about it. Dynasties kind of earn that, the Bulls, Bama, etc. all of those great teams got the benefit of the calls during their historic runs.

(01-16-2018, 01:38 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]NE gets calls their way. You don't have to feel embarrassed about it. Dynasties kind of earn that, the Bulls, Bama, etc. all of those great teams got the benefit of the calls during their historic runs.

Greatest sports dynasties IMO: NY Yankees, Boston Celtics, Montreal Canadians, NE Patriots.

Did they all get more calls for them during their runs than other teams over the same period? I'm not so sure. Watching the calls that people claim have gone the Patriots way lately, most have been called correctly.

Some see it this way:

"10. Bernie Bierman's Minnesota Golden Gophers, 1934-41

All due respect to Bear Bryant, who has the most national titles with six, but his championships were spread out over 19 seasons and only his 1979 national title was unanimous. Nick Saban has won five national titles, but only four have come with Alabama. Given all the competition today as compared to the 1930s, is Alabama a more impressive dynasty than Minnesota? Yes, probably. But why not give a shoutout to the Golden Gophers? Minnesota won five championships in eight years, going 39-1 during those national title seasons. (It also went 4-0-4 in '33.)

9. Joe McCarthy's New York Yankees, 1932-43

McCarthy's place in baseball history may be a little overshadowed by the Bronx Bombers he was managing -- he spanned the careers of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Joe DiMaggio -- but his seven World Series championships are tied for the most ever by a manager with Casey Stengel. Following the sudden death of manager Miller Huggins in 1929, the Yankees finished in third place in 1930 under Bob Shawkey, who held the job for one season. In his place, they hired McCarthy and won the World Series in just his second year with Ruth, Gehrig and an incredible seven other Hall of Famers. They won the World Series six more times between 1936-43, never going to a Game 7 in any of their championship seasons, though they did lose the Series in five games in 1942.

8. Casey Stengel's New York Yankees, 1949-60

Yankees fans enjoyed 15 championships from 1932-58 (they also won a ring in the two-season Bucky Harris era), though Stengel's name may have had more lasting power than McCarthy's because he won the Series in each of his first five seasons. Those are the years that Yogi Berra, Phil Rizzuto, Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford emerged, as well. But after losing the 1960 World Series to the Pirates in seven games, Stengel was immediately fired, just two years after his most recent championship. To be fair to McCarthy, Stengel walked a much tighter line to his rings, winning three of his championships in seven games, but all three of his World Series losses were also in seven games.

Also of note for this era, Berra won 10 World Series rings from 1946-65, the most by any player. (And for those wondering why we left the late-'90s Yankees off the list, it was close. Joe Torre and Derek Jeter went to six World Series together and won four titles in all, missing our "five championship" cut off, even if Jeter also managed to grab a fifth ring later in his career, with Joe Girardi as manager in 2009.)

7. Wayne Gretzky's Edmonton Oilers, 1983-88

When the World Hockey Association was absorbed by the NHL, the Oilers had an ace-in-the-hole with Gretzky, the 19-year-old phenom they signed before the NHL had a chance to because of age-restrictions they had at the time. He won the MVP award in each of his first eight seasons in the NHL, and he led Edmonton to four Stanley Cups in five years before being traded to Los Angeles. The Oilers won another title in 1990 without him. He's the greatest of all-time because he just is, but dominating with titles over a short period of time is what really gives athletes like Gretzky, Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and DiMaggio an extra dose of legendary status.

6. Magic Johnson's Los Angeles Lakers, 1979-88

The NBA really feels like cheating because dynasties are so much more common. With each team only putting five guys in the game at a time, it's not hard for the team with the best players in the sport to have a huge advantage. Johnson may not have been the best in the NBA, or even the best on his own team (Abdul-Jabbar), but he captured the country's attention as a rookie in 1979 and won five rings with Kareem in a nine-year span. Like Kobe and Shaq, Johnson and Kareem needed each other equally, but one player usually stands out as being more memorable. Johnson's ongoing rivalry with Larry Bird helped significantly.

5. Brady and Belichick's New England Patriots, 2001-2017

We know that this may seem "low" given all that the Brady-Belichick pairing has accomplished since the turn of this century, but this is still the greatest dynasty in NFL history. Five championships in 16 seasons in the NFL might actually be more impressive than Michael Jordan's six rings in eight years (more on that in a moment), considering that New England has come down to the wire in almost all of its seven Super Bowls in the Brady and Belichick era. Even the Patriots' win over the Eagles had some drama in the final minute. Of course, they also went a long stretch without winning any titles. Just imagine what we'd be saying if it weren't for Eli Manning, David Tyree and Mario Manningham.

4. Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls, 1990-98

The only times that Jordan didn't lead the NBA in scoring from 1986-87 to 1997-98 were the year he retired to play baseball, and the 17-game season that followed when he returned. Things clicked so perfectly for Jordan, Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen in the '90s that championships became foregone conclusions as long as Jordan was active and healthy. Not a single one of Jordan's Finals appearances went to seven games. That's dominance. Certainly an argument to flip them with the Pats, if you prefer. You can yell at us in the comments.

3. John Wooden's UCLA Bruins, 1963-75

UCLA was irrelevant nationally until Wooden was hired away from Indiana State in 1948. The Bruins went 22-7 in his first season, and they were relevant though not great for the next 15 or so years before the dynasty began with a 30-0 record and national championship in 1964. They repeated the next season, and after going just 18-8 in 1966, they went on a run of seven championships in a row. It's an incredible feat in any regard, but especially at the college level where the best players are always graduating. That included three in a row with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (then known as Lew Alcindor), who also won five NBA championships with the Lakers. Since Wooden retired as a champion in 1975, UCLA has won the national title just once.

2. Henri Richard and Jean Beliveau's Montreal Canadiens, 1955-73

It's hard to even say that the Canadiens' dynasty can stick with any one or two players and/or coaches, but in the interest of trying to do that, let's look at the Richard-Beliveau era in which they won 11 Stanley Cup Finals in 18 years. Of course, they also won four more from 1975-78 and several more before Richard and Beliveau's first championship. All told, Montreal has 25 championships. From 1922-98, the Canadiens missed the playoffs only six times. Absolutely remarkable.

1. Bill Russell's Boston Celtics, 1956-65

Red Auerbach won his first NBA championship in the 1956-57 season with a 22-year-old rookie Bill Russell, but they failed to repeat the following year. Then Auerbach and Russell won eight in a row, with Bob Cousy along for the ride for six of those, before Auerbach retired and Russell took over as player-coach, winning two more titles. All told, Russell won 11 NBA championships. Robert Horry is the only player who has more than six NBA championships who didn't play for those '50s and '60s Celtics."

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/215...ts-celtics

There are no special or magical ingredients necessary to beat any specific team.
I believe we have the talent, motivation cosching and desire to beat new England and Tom Brady.
We need a solid game plan and planned/practiced adjustments that may be necessary if they find success against us and we need each individual player to perform at a respectable level.

I feel we as a team have more talert than the pats.
Coaching were at a Lil bit of a disadvantage and motivation were probably even.
So it's simple.
We play up to or near to our potential we win.
Period

(01-16-2018, 02:20 AM)diehardjagsfaninsocal Wrote: [ -> ]I feel we as a team have more talert than the pats.
Coaching were at a Lil bit of a disadvantage and motivation  were probably even.
So it's simple.
We play up to or near to our potential we win.
Period

More talent? Yes.

Coaching, bit of a disadvantage? Probably. 

Motivation, probably even? That's the million dollar question. You certainly never gave up against Pittsburgh. But, have you ever come up off the mat down 28-3 in the 2nd half of a SB, and win the game?  Than after that long and exhausting campaign come back to the AFCCG the following year and do all that with a team, that as you pointed out, is less talented than some others? That's motivation. Do you have that? Maybe you do. Either way, we're going to find out.

If we win Sunday, it will be the start of a dynasty.

(01-16-2018, 05:05 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]If we win Sunday, it will be the start of a dynasty.

Coughlin can't build a dynasty there without a Brady/Montana level QB.

(01-15-2018, 08:53 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Would there be any way for the Jags to keep all 4 RB's active to have consistent fresh rotation in trying to maximize ball control?

It would also keep Ivory available in case Fournette's ankle gets worse.

Basically who would end up becoming inactive by keeping all 4 RB's?

Ivory can kick rocks.

I want more Yeldon. He ran hard and it’s really good in pass protection. If Fournettes ankle is still an issue (which is most likely the case) I want more Yeldon.

(01-16-2018, 09:20 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2018, 08:53 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Would there be any way for the Jags to keep all 4 RB's active to have consistent fresh rotation in trying to maximize ball control?

It would also keep Ivory available in case Fournette's ankle gets worse.

Basically who would end up becoming inactive by keeping all 4 RB's?

Ivory can kick rocks.

I want more Yeldon. He ran hard and it’s really good in pass protection. If Fournettes ankle is still an issue (which is most likely the case) I want more Yeldon.

Hear hear! 

Ivory fumbles too much. One mistake by him and the Pats will make us pay.

(01-14-2018, 06:40 PM)Dixon Wrote: [ -> ]brady cant throw deep. our defense wont give up big plays this game. hopefully our dline gets pressure unlike most of today.

He's one of the top deep ball passers in the league.

(01-15-2018, 08:58 AM)Treestone Ice Wrote: [ -> ]I just wanna pause and say I still cant believe we are having this discussion.

Ok, whew.

I know we wont, but we cant play scared of those guys. Go up there and play smart disciplined football and bully them like youve been bullying most everyone else all year. Do that, get a turnover or two and dont turn it over, and we can beat these friggin guys.

It's not about the Patriots intimidating people it's the fact that the Patriots don't get intimidated.

So Fowler and Gipson both left the game with injuries. Gipson was spotted in a walking boot after (routine precaution). Hopefully both are full goes. Gipson is a smart FS that will be needed against Brady. Fowler brings a dynamic that I think the Jags can rush Ngakoue, Campbell, Jackson, and Fowler to really try and get Campbell up the middle in Brady's face.

(01-16-2018, 02:20 AM)diehardjagsfaninsocal Wrote: [ -> ]There are no special or magical ingredients necessary to  beat any specific team.
I believe we have the talent, motivation cosching and desire to beat new England and Tom Brady.
We need a solid game plan and planned/practiced adjustments  that may be necessary if they find success against us and we need each  individual player to perform at a respectable level.

I feel we as a team have more talert than the pats.
Coaching were at a Lil bit of a disadvantage and motivation  were probably even.
So it's simple.
We play up to or near to our potential we win.
Period

This is a myth that NE "lacks talent". I don't know where this comes from. They have a chance to win 3 SBs in 4 years again, and you don't do that with a "lack of talent".


NE is deeper than Jax, which is a huge, huge part of this and it will show up on Sunday.  It's sort of insulting to see the national media continue to brainwash the average fan with information that is simply not accurate.

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(01-16-2018, 10:07 AM)Patriot71 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2018, 06:40 PM)Dixon Wrote: [ -> ]brady cant throw deep. our defense wont give up big plays this game. hopefully our dline gets pressure unlike most of today.

He's one of the top deep ball passers in the league.

These fans clearly are not big fans of dealing with facts.

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(01-16-2018, 09:20 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2018, 08:53 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Would there be any way for the Jags to keep all 4 RB's active to have consistent fresh rotation in trying to maximize ball control?

It would also keep Ivory available in case Fournette's ankle gets worse.

Basically who would end up becoming inactive by keeping all 4 RB's?

Ivory can kick rocks.

I want more Yeldon. He ran hard and it’s really good in pass protection. If Fournettes ankle is still an issue (which is most likely the case) I want more Yeldon.

Yeldon is a nice foil for Fournette.  Pats Run D is superior to that of Pitt's.

Has anyone mentioned that we'll need a backup method of getting the plays in to Bortles in the event that our communication system mysteriously "malfunctions" ? That's been a reoccurring problem for us in New England, mysteriously.

(01-16-2018, 10:07 AM)Patriot71 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2018, 06:40 PM)Dixon Wrote: [ -> ]brady cant throw deep. our defense wont give up big plays this game. hopefully our dline gets pressure unlike most of today.

He's one of the top deep ball passers in the league.

Yeah, I don't know where the notion that Brady can't throw long came from? 

(01-15-2018, 11:44 PM)Scarecrow Wrote: [ -> ]The wildcard here is Tom Coughlin...he's proven to beat the formula that is the Patriots and he is an interesting piece to the puzzle.  He's not the coach but he's in charge.  

This is going to be a hard hitting affair.  I hope Brady is ready to be put on his [BLEEP] a few times.

While Coughlin has had a nice career, Steve Spagnuolo was responsible for the SB 42 defensive effort, which was a massive fail by McDaniels and all the offensive coaches involved.

In 2011, in SB 46, the Pats yet again through it away with lack of execution plays or bad decisions. 

It's really nothing special that Coughlin personally did.  That rhetoric has got to be the most inconsequential piece of information I've heard so far this week.

If Asante Samuel catches an easy INT or Welker simply holds on, Coughlin is seen as a mediocre coach with zero SB rings, so let's not oversell something that has absolutely zero to do with 2017 and the AFC Title game on Sunday.

Coughlin was about to be fired if they didn't make the playoffs in 2007. Nice response and he certainly deserves kudos for what those defenses did, absolutely. But, if you're relying on a team like NE's 2011 team that was being rebuilt off a Lockout, with no mini camp or summer camp, that's not the same kind of a situation here.

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(01-15-2018, 05:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2018, 03:54 PM)TyLawsPick6 Wrote: [ -> ]You're right, we do. The "journalists" and radioheads spend every waking hour showing their entitlement and jealousy of Belichick, tryign to misrepresent, lie outright and brainwash the morons.

ESPN folllows the same model and has made millions off of it for years.

Did you miss the Seth Wickersham pieces where he claims "Pats staffers" are his "sources"...? LOL

Yes, Pats employees always openly talk to ESPN behind Kraft and BB's back. That really makes sense.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!

No, it's about money. That's how the world work$. Welcome to reality.

(01-15-2018, 03:53 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2018, 03:50 PM)TyLawsPick6 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, proven time again NE was framed.  Obviously.  Hence, why everyone with a college degree knows Goodell' lies in federal court are tied to his bastardization of Article 46.

Ever wonder why he tried to protect Ray Rice and the Ravens?  I did and Pats fans know why.

Don't force me to post Bill Cowher's comments on Spygate.  It's damaging to all of those who have believed the pathological liar this entire time.  Embarrassing people have, but you seem to be one of them. lmao

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Yes, I watched the Jets run for 256 yards on your D and Garoppolo just dropped 40 on them, so we are very familiar.

LOL, And i saw the refs bail you out to beat the Steelers who we've just whooped twice. Yeah, your the greatest.

"Bail them out"?  LOL!

Yes, Pittsburgh's low IQ organization, with dumb players doing dumb things as the Pats play good, smart ball while undermanned on the road, means the Pats were bailed out.

haha

There is a reason why NE always beats Pitt. Has nothing to do with being "bailed out". Learn the rules, please.

And if Belichick doesn't cheat, he'd probably not be in New England still. Notice how none of his coaching tree ever does anything? The Belichick coaching tree is incredibly weak. Wonder why that is.

(01-16-2018, 10:51 AM)TyLawsPick6 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2018, 11:44 PM)Scarecrow Wrote: [ -> ]The wildcard here is Tom Coughlin...he's proven to beat the formula that is the Patriots and he is an interesting piece to the puzzle.  He's not the coach but he's in charge.  

This is going to be a hard hitting affair.  I hope Brady is ready to be put on his [BLEEP] a few times.

While Coughlin has had a nice career, Steve Spagnuolo was responsible for the SB 42 defensive effort, which was a massive fail by McDaniels and all the offensive coaches involved.

In 2011, in SB 46, the Pats yet again through it away with lack of execution plays or bad decisions. 

It's really nothing special that Coughlin personally did.  That rhetoric has got to be the most inconsequential piece of information I've heard so far this week.

If Asante Samuel catches an easy INT or Welker simply holds on, Coughlin is seen as a mediocre coach with zero SB rings, so let's not oversell something that has absolutely zero to do with 2017 and the AFC Title game on Sunday.

Coughlin was about to be fired if they didn't make the playoffs in 2007. Nice response and he certainly deserves kudos for what those defenses did, absolutely. But, if you're relying on a team like NE's 2011 team that was being rebuilt off a Lockout, with no mini camp or summer camp, that's not the same kind of a situation here.

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(01-15-2018, 05:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!

No, it's about money. That's how the world work$. Welcome to reality.

I dont think most Jags fan see Coughlin as an X factor from an x's and o's standpoint.
But more of a factor in setting the tone for the team from a preparedness level. Just letting the team know what to expect from an intensity level and reinforcing the attention to detail.
Obviously he will give Marrone some tips but I think Coughlin's value is more towards his "aura" and omnipresence

(01-15-2018, 11:44 PM)Scarecrow Wrote: [ -> ]The wildcard here is Tom Coughlin...he's proven to beat the formula that is the Patriots and he is an interesting piece to the puzzle.  He's not the coach but he's in charge.  

This is going to be a hard hitting affair.  I hope Brady is ready to be put on his [BLEEP] a few times.

Coughlin is an offensive minded coach, unless Spagzz is coaching there, not that much of an issue. Also, its not like they blew the Pats out in those SBs, came down to a couple of crazy plays that would never happen again. This point is moot. 

That being said, Jags have a great defense and an "ok" offense (Fournette, mostly) but are a solid team all around. The offense feeds off of your amazing defense with its explosiveness, especially when they account for alot of the TDs your team scored this year. That's what Bortles needs because he doesn't score much on his own, with his arm. This game will be a good one, great offense versus a great defense mostly. People keep selling the Pats defense short, they've held teams to the least amount of points the last couple months, and that constitutes a good defense to me.

(01-16-2018, 10:47 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Has anyone mentioned that we'll need a backup method of getting the plays in to Bortles in the event that our communication system mysteriously "malfunctions" ?  That's been a reoccurring problem for us in New England, mysteriously.

The NFL has control of sideline / coach to player communications, not the home team. If it fails, both teams are in the same boat.

It happens at multiple stadiums multiple times a season. If your coaching staff is up to speed, they have that contingency covered. I'm sure Marrone & co are prepared