(02-10-2018, 08:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 08:25 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]Well next time do us a favor and don't exaggerate because you make yourself look foolish by stating false observations about football related subjects.
Believe it or not I can see a scenario where Blake Bortles take less to stay here even if he have a good year next year based on his love for the defense who has stood by him and defended his character when others try to make him a punchline throughout the NFL. I can see a scenario where he will want to do whatever it takes to keep the team together instead of trying to break the bank for a few extra dollars especially when him and his family lives in Florida.
You’re delusional if you think he will take a hometown discount. And what do you think that discount would be? 15 million a year? 20 million? 25 million?
Tom Brady has taken team friendly contracts. TOM FREAKING BRADY! Let's not act like it doesn't happen.
Yeah lets get the team friendly deal so we can be the new Bemgals stuck in qb purgatory and our window closes. Draft or sign someone i dont care but it can't be bortles and henne
(02-10-2018, 06:38 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 05:27 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]How can anyone assume Cousins leads us to the next level? He has had plenty of great players next to him over his career, with 0 results.
I hope this wasn't directed at me. I've said numerous times that I want no part of Cousins.
It was not, sorry I used your quote.
(02-10-2018, 06:53 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 06:29 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]Lets compare Kirk Cousin development in Washington and i bet that he was set up to be successful there and base on what Kirk had at his disposal he was in a better situation and it wasn't even close.
(02-02-2018, 01:59 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]2014 - Jags 4.5 YPC, 26th in yards allowed, and 26th in points allowed. Skins 4.2 YPC, 20th in yards allowed, and 29th in points allowed.
2015 - Jags 4.2 YPC, 24th in yards allowed, and 29th in points allowed. Skins 3.7 YPC, 29th in yards allowed, and 27th in points allowed.
2016 - Jags 4.2 YPC, 6th (!) in yards allowed, and 25th in points allowed. Skins 4.5 YPC, 28th in yards allowed, and 19th in points allowed.
I did that already in another thread recently, and as you can see Cousins was dealing with just as bad (if not worse) of a supporting cast. Blake had generally a slightly better run game and slightly better defense by the numbers. Hopefully we can just agree that both had really bad teams surrounding them and not argue semantics.
The difference of course is that Cousins dragged his awful supporting cast to an above .500 record while Blake dragged our awful supporting cast to three top 5 picks.
Awful supporting cast?
I just want them to bring in completion this year thats all want i also dont think a rookie can lead the team to a super bowl i knows it hsppened but rarely so if they go rookie qb route then blakes the guy this year to me another wasted year.
You have to think potentislly this year or next will be the start of calais slowing down and decline.
(02-10-2018, 10:17 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I just want them to bring in completion this year thats all want i also dont think a rookie can lead the team to a super bowl i knows it hsppened but rarely so if they go rookie qb route then blakes the guy this year to me another wasted year.
You have to think potentislly this year or next will be the start of calais slowing down and decline.
So this was a wasted year? Good grief.
(02-10-2018, 09:53 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 08:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You’re delusional if you think he will take a hometown discount. And what do you think that discount would be? 15 million a year? 20 million? 25 million?
Tom Brady has taken team friendly contracts. TOM FREAKING BRADY! Let's not act like it doesn't happen.
Lol yeaaaa.... after he made how much?
Come on now. You’re reaching so hard.
(02-10-2018, 10:25 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]So this was a wasted year? Good grief.
No of course not, but we have a lot of things that will be working against us next year. We pretty much just rode the perfect storm. To get back to where we are it's going to take more than getting Arob back, a guard, and a tight end.
1. Schedule getting much harder.
2. Division getting harder.
3. Extremely unlikely to get so lucky with injuries.
4. Most teams will have more cap space to add help.
5. Almost every team will have more draft capital to add help.
(02-10-2018, 10:17 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I just want them to bring in completion this year thats all want i also dont think a rookie can lead the team to a super bowl i knows it hsppened but rarely so if they go rookie qb route then blakes the guy this year to me another wasted year.
You have to think potentislly this year or next will be the start of calais slowing down and decline.
My man I hope you're old enough to be on this site
(02-10-2018, 10:35 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 10:25 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]So this was a wasted year? Good grief.
No of course not, but we have a lot of things that will be working against us next year. We pretty much just rode the perfect storm. To get back to where we are it's going to take more than getting Arob back, a guard, and a tight end.
1. Schedule getting much harder.
2. Division getting harder.
3. Extremely unlikely to get so lucky with injuries.
4. Most teams will have more cap space to add help.
5. Almost every team will have more draft capital to add help.
1 and 2. The schedule isn't much harder. The AFC East has the Patriots and 3 floundering teams. The NFC East has the Eagles and the mediocre Cowboys and 2 bad teams. The Chiefs have a new QB and we just beat porksburgh twice. Our division isn't getting better, the clots and tacks are adrift and Watson is an unknown.
3. Injuries happen, they don't automatically make us worse.
4. So do we.
5. So will we.
You spun evens or positives into negatives to make your point.
(02-11-2018, 07:31 AM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 10:17 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I just want them to bring in completion this year thats all want i also dont think a rookie can lead the team to a super bowl i knows it hsppened but rarely so if they go rookie qb route then blakes the guy this year to me another wasted year.
You have to think potentislly this year or next will be the start of calais slowing down and decline.
My man I hope you're old enough to be on this site
Oh man lots of errors my phone typing is
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(02-11-2018, 08:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 10:35 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]No of course not, but we have a lot of things that will be working against us next year. We pretty much just rode the perfect storm. To get back to where we are it's going to take more than getting Arob back, a guard, and a tight end.
1. Schedule getting much harder.
2. Division getting harder.
3. Extremely unlikely to get so lucky with injuries.
4. Most teams will have more cap space to add help.
5. Almost every team will have more draft capital to add help.
1 and 2. The schedule isn't much harder. The AFC East has the Patriots and 3 floundering teams. The NFC East has the Eagles and the mediocre Cowboys and 2 bad teams. The Chiefs have a new QB and we just beat porksburgh twice. Our division isn't getting better, the clots and tacks are adrift and Watson is an unknown.
3. Injuries happen, they don't automatically make us worse.
4. So do we.
5. So will we.
You spun evens or positives into negatives to make your point.
True to all that. I really hope we stay healthy next year too. Jags were lucky no major D player went down for long except Telvin right.
Watson could be figured out next year. Will Luck ever be the same who knows but I'd lean no all it could take is one hit on his shoulder.
(02-11-2018, 08:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 10:35 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]No of course not, but we have a lot of things that will be working against us next year. We pretty much just rode the perfect storm. To get back to where we are it's going to take more than getting Arob back, a guard, and a tight end.
1. Schedule getting much harder.
2. Division getting harder.
3. Extremely unlikely to get so lucky with injuries.
4. Most teams will have more cap space to add help.
5. Almost every team will have more draft capital to add help.
1 and 2. The schedule isn't much harder. The AFC East has the Patriots and 3 floundering teams. The NFC East has the Eagles and the mediocre Cowboys and 2 bad teams. The Chiefs have a new QB and we just beat porksburgh twice. Our division isn't getting better, the clots and tacks are adrift and Watson is an unknown.
3. Injuries happen, they don't automatically make us worse.
4. So do we.
5. So will we.
You spun evens or positives into negatives to make your point.
Lol you don’t think a 1st place schedule is that much harder than a 4th place one? You think Colts and texans will be picking top 5 next year too? Didn’t take the Titans sweep the Jags?
Our schedule is harder next year. I don’t even think that’s debatable.
(02-11-2018, 10:56 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2018, 08:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]1 and 2. The schedule isn't much harder. The AFC East has the Patriots and 3 floundering teams. The NFC East has the Eagles and the mediocre Cowboys and 2 bad teams. The Chiefs have a new QB and we just beat porksburgh twice. Our division isn't getting better, the clots and tacks are adrift and Watson is an unknown.
3. Injuries happen, they don't automatically make us worse.
4. So do we.
5. So will we.
You spun evens or positives into negatives to make your point.
Lol you don’t think a 1st place schedule is that much harder than a 4th place one? You think Colts and texans will be picking top 5 next year too? Didn’t take the Titans sweep the Jags?
Our schedule is harder next year. I don’t even think that’s debatable.
Well, I debated it, so you're wrong twice. No, for the reasons I gave, the schedule is not much harder than this year's was. The non division games are equivalent at best, in division the clots have neither coach nor QB, the tittians fired their coach again and the tonhorns have a rookie qb coming off an acl. You think they are suddenly going to be better? I don't.
(02-11-2018, 11:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2018, 10:56 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Lol you don’t think a 1st place schedule is that much harder than a 4th place one? You think Colts and texans will be picking top 5 next year too? Didn’t take the Titans sweep the Jags?
Our schedule is harder next year. I don’t even think that’s debatable.
Well, I debated it, so you're wrong twice. No, for the reasons I gave, the schedule is not much harder than this year's was. The non division games are equivalent at best, in division the clots have neither coach nor QB, the tittians fired their coach again and the tonhorns have a rookie qb coming off an acl. You think they are suddenly going to be better? I don't.
No one knows how these teams will do next year so this conversation is kind of a moot point.
However, there are 3 13-3 teams on our schedule for next season. This includes the 2 SB teams and 3 of the top 4 seeds. 5 playoff teams total.
This time last year, there were zero 13-3 teams. 3 playoff teams.
(02-11-2018, 11:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2018, 11:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I debated it, so you're wrong twice. No, for the reasons I gave, the schedule is not much harder than this year's was. The non division games are equivalent at best, in division the clots have neither coach nor QB, the tittians fired their coach again and the tonhorns have a rookie qb coming off an acl. You think they are suddenly going to be better? I don't.
No one knows how these teams will do next year so this conversation is kind of a moot point.
However, there are 3 13-3 teams on our schedule for next season.
This time last year, there were zero.
As you say, it's moot. Last year's team isn't this year's by most reckoning, so the schedule only matters for perennials like the Pats. Now let's get the Jags into that kind of class.
(02-11-2018, 11:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2018, 11:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I debated it, so you're wrong twice. No, for the reasons I gave, the schedule is not much harder than this year's was. The non division games are equivalent at best, in division the clots have neither coach nor QB, the tittians fired their coach again and the tonhorns have a rookie qb coming off an acl. You think they are suddenly going to be better? I don't.
No one knows how these teams will do next year so this conversation is kind of a moot point.
However, there are 3 13-3 teams on our schedule for next season. This includes the 2 SB teams and 3 of the top 4 seeds. 5 playoff teams total.
This time last year, there were zero 13-3 teams. 3 playoff teams.
Well we just came from a AFC Championship game and yet you dismiss us as if we was a fluke
(02-11-2018, 08:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You spun evens or positives into negatives to make your point.
I just said logical probabilities.
Our schedule was the 5th easiest. Instead of now facing the last place teams in divisions we are playing 1st place teams (I assume you understand how the schedule works but maybe that's a bad assumption). The odds that we have a bottom 5 easiest schedule is highly unlikely, truth.
Our entire starting 11 on defense missed 3(!) total starts the entire season. We lost one significant player to injury all year. Almost every other team is getting more players back from injury, truth.
We have the most money spent toward our 2018 cap, fortunately we have rollover but that will be spent quickly. Other teams can spend more thus get better by a factor more than us. Truth.
Almost every other teams has higher draft picks and more draft picks since we draft 29th and don't have a 5th rounder. That's truth.
It sucks that you think facts are spinning, but I guess that's where we are now.
(02-11-2018, 11:32 AM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2018, 11:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]No one knows how these teams will do next year so this conversation is kind of a moot point.
However, there are 3 13-3 teams on our schedule for next season. This includes the 2 SB teams and 3 of the top 4 seeds. 5 playoff teams total.
This time last year, there were zero 13-3 teams. 3 playoff teams.
Well we just came from a AFC Championship game and yet you dismiss us as if we was a fluke
Saying our schedule gets harder is dismissing them as a fluke? Got it. Thanks for the heads up.
I expect the Jags to win the division next year with Blake or Cousins.
(02-11-2018, 03:43 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Almost every other teams has higher draft picks and more draft picks since we draft 29th and don't have a 5th rounder. That's truth.
And every year a number of teams find great talent picking in the twenties, and fifties and on and on.
Picking later is not some sort of draft death sentence. There will be upgrades to be had even if the team stays with its current picks.
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