(02-09-2018, 11:22 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 11:14 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming we hit on the pick, that is.
Not to mention we have no clue if a good QB will be available at 29. I don't think we should give up a future 1st to move up also.
The intrensic uncertainty of the draft is no reason to NOT draft a QB.
Drafting and developing talent is the most sustainable option. You have to at least try it.
Anyone notice that every time they show TC at one of our games, he's taking notes? I'm gonna trust in TC to make the right decision.
(02-09-2018, 11:58 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Without delving back into the Kirk Vs Bortles Vs draft pick debate, (Y'all know where I stand by now), I am actually quite interested to see how Blake looks next year.
Has the confidence bump from the playoffs and can really hone in on his craft. Last offseason was all about getting those mechanics acceptable and was fighting for his job all the way up to week 1 of the regular season. This year maybe he can spend more time fine tuning what he built on.
Although on the flip side of that he still is fighting for his job this year if he remains a Jaguar. Could argue theres much more pressure this year as we are expected to win, have a really tough schedule and will be on national TV a lot. Either way it'll be interesting to see how he develops if he stays here.
I have a sneaky feeling that Blake will be starter next year, and he will come out of the blocks absolutely on fire, and this whole discussion is quickly forgotten. I think this season has been a bridge to getting his confidence back and he'll be ready to truly kick on and become a no-question franchise QB.
Either that or he absolutely sucks. The problem with Blake is that, at this point at least, you just can't know what you're gonna see on any given Sunday. I completely understand those people who do want to move on from him.
(02-09-2018, 01:20 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 11:58 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Without delving back into the Kirk Vs Bortles Vs draft pick debate, (Y'all know where I stand by now), I am actually quite interested to see how Blake looks next year.
Has the confidence bump from the playoffs and can really hone in on his craft. Last offseason was all about getting those mechanics acceptable and was fighting for his job all the way up to week 1 of the regular season. This year maybe he can spend more time fine tuning what he built on.
Although on the flip side of that he still is fighting for his job this year if he remains a Jaguar. Could argue theres much more pressure this year as we are expected to win, have a really tough schedule and will be on national TV a lot. Either way it'll be interesting to see how he develops if he stays here.
I have a sneaky feeling that Blake will be starter next year, and he will come out of the blocks absolutely on fire, and this whole discussion is quickly forgotten. I think this season has been a bridge to getting his confidence back and he'll be ready to truly kick on and become a no-question franchise QB.
Either that or he absolutely sucks. The problem with Blake is that, at this point at least, you just can't know what you're gonna see on any given Sunday. I completely understand those people who do want to move on from him.
I'm with you here. I think the reason I have always had his back has something to do with his reputation among teammates being great, and the fact that he just handles himself like a true professional. I think he wants to be good and works extremely hard. I feel like trying to block out all the critics really affects your confidence. To me, there is no question about his ability. I think he has the potential to make every throw, can manage offense, can use his legs if needed. If he figures out how to do all of those things on a consistent basis, we have the makings of a dynasty on our hands.
(02-09-2018, 12:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 11:22 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention we have no clue if a good QB will be available at 29. I don't think we should give up a future 1st to move up also.
The intrensic uncertainty of the draft is no reason to NOT draft a QB.
Drafting and developing talent is the most sustainable option. You have to at least try it.
There are other considerations and sources of uncertainty.
1. We have a team that has proven capable of going deep in the playoffs in the most recent season. If the franchise has decided the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal, that Super Bowl windows for teams are typically short in duration, and it has decided QB is a position that is hindering us from reaching that goal, the most likely way of this team reaching it is with an experienced QB. Rookie QBs, even capable ones, typically should not be counted upon to succeed in the first year.
2. If the team has decided to use a veteran to upgrade, there is a limited window to obtain those upgrades. Free agency happens prior to the draft, and those experienced QBs who would represent an upgrade would be in high demand for other QB needy teams.
I submit if the draft were held in a vacuum, absent the context of where the team is in overall development, then relying on a first round QB (who may or may not be there at 29) might be advisable. But given where this team is, that might be the most economical but least viable alternative.
(02-09-2018, 01:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 12:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The intrensic uncertainty of the draft is no reason to NOT draft a QB.
Drafting and developing talent is the most sustainable option. You have to at least try it.
There are other considerations and sources of uncertainty.
1. We have a team that has proven capable of going deep in the playoffs in the most recent season. If the franchise has decided the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal, that Super Bowl windows for teams are typically short in duration, and it has decided QB is a position that is hindering us from reaching that goal, the most likely way of this team reaching it is with an experienced QB. Rookie QBs, even capable ones, typically should not be counted upon to succeed in the first year.
2. If the team has decided to use a veteran to upgrade, there is a limited window to obtain those upgrades. Free agency happens prior to the draft, and those experienced QBs who would represent an upgrade would be in high demand for other QB needy teams.
I submit if the draft were held in a vacuum, absent the context of where the team is in overall development, then relying on a first round QB (who may or may not be there at 29) might be advisable. But given where this team is, that might be the most economical but least viable alternative.
Yeah. Understood.
My suggestion is predicated on winning with Blake in 2018 by bolstering the offense around him while the team develops a rookie behind him to take over in 2019.
Of course if the team has identified the QB position as a tipping point, they would need to approach it with the "win now" method in free agency/trade.
I'm just advocating what I see as the most cap friendly solution in hopes of keeping the defensive roster intact moving forward. Hitting on a QB that could start in 2019 would keep some big spending at bay for a few more years. I think that possibility makes it worth an early pick in this draft. (I'd even advocate moving up ahead of Buffalo to take a QB if there were one they felt strongly about falling to pick 18 or 19 unexpectedly.)
(02-09-2018, 01:20 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 11:58 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Without delving back into the Kirk Vs Bortles Vs draft pick debate, (Y'all know where I stand by now), I am actually quite interested to see how Blake looks next year.
Has the confidence bump from the playoffs and can really hone in on his craft. Last offseason was all about getting those mechanics acceptable and was fighting for his job all the way up to week 1 of the regular season. This year maybe he can spend more time fine tuning what he built on.
Although on the flip side of that he still is fighting for his job this year if he remains a Jaguar. Could argue theres much more pressure this year as we are expected to win, have a really tough schedule and will be on national TV a lot. Either way it'll be interesting to see how he develops if he stays here.
I have a sneaky feeling that Blake will be starter next year, and he will come out of the blocks absolutely on fire, and this whole discussion is quickly forgotten. I think this season has been a bridge to getting his confidence back and he'll be ready to truly kick on and become a no-question franchise QB.
Either that or he absolutely sucks. The problem with Blake is that, at this point at least, you just can't know what you're gonna see on any given Sunday. I completely understand those people who do want to move on from him.
And this is exactly why I'm on the fence about Blake.
(02-09-2018, 01:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 01:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]There are other considerations and sources of uncertainty.
1. We have a team that has proven capable of going deep in the playoffs in the most recent season. If the franchise has decided the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal, that Super Bowl windows for teams are typically short in duration, and it has decided QB is a position that is hindering us from reaching that goal, the most likely way of this team reaching it is with an experienced QB. Rookie QBs, even capable ones, typically should not be counted upon to succeed in the first year.
2. If the team has decided to use a veteran to upgrade, there is a limited window to obtain those upgrades. Free agency happens prior to the draft, and those experienced QBs who would represent an upgrade would be in high demand for other QB needy teams.
I submit if the draft were held in a vacuum, absent the context of where the team is in overall development, then relying on a first round QB (who may or may not be there at 29) might be advisable. But given where this team is, that might be the most economical but least viable alternative.
Yeah. Understood.
My suggestion is predicated on winning with Blake in 2018 by bolstering the offense around him while the team develops a rookie behind him to take over in 2019.
Of course if the team has identified the QB position as a tipping point, they would need to approach it with the "win now" method in free agency/trade.
I'm just advocating what I see as the most cap friendly solution in hopes of keeping the defensive roster intact moving forward. Hitting on a QB that could start in 2019 would keep some big spending at bay for a few more years. I think that possibility makes it worth an early pick in this draft. (I'd even advocate moving up ahead of Buffalo to take a QB if there were one they felt strongly about falling to pick 18 or 19 unexpectedly.)
So you'd be willing to give up next years 1 or 2?
(02-09-2018, 11:06 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 10:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I comes down to being an optimist or a pessimist. I choose to believe that there are some very good QB prospects at the top of this draft. I really believe that and I also believe we will get one of them. I know the draft is a crapshoot, but if you go into it being scared and too cautious to take certain risks, we'll be stuck in neutral forever. I believe that the overall talent of this roster can actually elevate the play of a rookie QB. If a rookie comes here, he will be placed in a situation where he is set up to win. He's got a decent O-Line, that will be getting better with a couple of additions, a good running game, good young receivers and a very good/excellent defense. What other rookie QB's would be stepping into such a positive situation? If the rest of our team was crappy, maybe I'd be a lot more pessimistic, but I truly believe the right rookie QB could have the same effect here, as Carson Wentz has had in Philly or that Ben Roethlisberger had in Pittsburgh when he was drafted. When a rookie QB has a good supporting casts, they are more likely to succeed.
Well if you're a true optimist, then you should just roll with Blake because giving him ARob and a pass catching TE plus another year with Hackett will elevate him to another level.
As I said before, Bortles has had his chances and he isn't where he should be. I don't believe that would change and that's just based on what I've seen from him. That's all I need to know. I was very positive when we drafted him and I really hoped he was gonna be a franchise QB, but that didn't happen. Experiment over. It's time to find a replacement. A rookie starts with a clean slate. They would bring a fresh, new aura to the team.
(02-09-2018, 02:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 11:06 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Well if you're a true optimist, then you should just roll with Blake because giving him ARob and a pass catching TE plus another year with Hackett will elevate him to another level.
As I said before, Bortles has had his chances and he isn't where he should be. I don't believe that would change and that's just based on what I've seen from him. That's all I need to know. I was very positive when we drafted him and I really hoped he was gonna be a franchise QB, but that didn't happen. Experiment over. It's time to find a replacement. A rookie starts with a clean slate. They would bring a fresh, new aura to the team.
So what would your expectations be for a rookie to produce?
At what point would it be reasonable to expect him to produce at a level befitting a Super Bowl contending team?
If not immediately, how many years of the team's Super Bowl window will be wasted waiting for him to get to that level?
(02-09-2018, 01:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 01:20 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]I have a sneaky feeling that Blake will be starter next year, and he will come out of the blocks absolutely on fire, and this whole discussion is quickly forgotten. I think this season has been a bridge to getting his confidence back and he'll be ready to truly kick on and become a no-question franchise QB.
Either that or he absolutely sucks. The problem with Blake is that, at this point at least, you just can't know what you're gonna see on any given Sunday. I completely understand those people who do want to move on from him.
And this is exactly why I'm on the fence about Blake.
(02-09-2018, 01:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Understood.
My suggestion is predicated on winning with Blake in 2018 by bolstering the offense around him while the team develops a rookie behind him to take over in 2019.
Of course if the team has identified the QB position as a tipping point, they would need to approach it with the "win now" method in free agency/trade.
I'm just advocating what I see as the most cap friendly solution in hopes of keeping the defensive roster intact moving forward. Hitting on a QB that could start in 2019 would keep some big spending at bay for a few more years. I think that possibility makes it worth an early pick in this draft. (I'd even advocate moving up ahead of Buffalo to take a QB if there were one they felt strongly about falling to pick 18 or 19 unexpectedly.)
So you'd be willing to give up next years 1 or 2?
I'd give up both, if it landed us Rosen or Mayfield.
The front office has always failed when they have sold out to chase win now and falling short in playoff games. You need to follow the Pittsburg model and be good enough to compete year in and year out and you win a superbowl by securing regular playoffs apperances. They know their brand of football and draft accordingly. I hope the front office acts accordingly.
(02-09-2018, 02:19 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]The front office has always failed when they have sold out to chase win now and falling short in playoff games. You need to follow the Pittsburg model and be good enough to compete year in and year out and you win a superbowl by securing regular playoffs apperances. They know their brand of football and draft accordingly. I hope the front office acts accordingly.
I was just about to reply with exactly the same thing. An elite franchise doesn't believe in 'Superbowl windows', they draft and develop and build a long term sustainable model that will get them to the playoffs every year.
Believing in a 'window of opportunity' becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. You believe you only have a short time to win, so you make moves that are only focussed in the short term, eventually the short term becomes the long term and you realize the foundations of your roster are shaking. TC after 99? It's a worry....
As such, I feel like drafting a rookie QB high is the right answer, even if he never plays. Look how that worked out for NE and Jimmy G.
(02-09-2018, 02:10 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 02:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]As I said before, Bortles has had his chances and he isn't where he should be. I don't believe that would change and that's just based on what I've seen from him. That's all I need to know. I was very positive when we drafted him and I really hoped he was gonna be a franchise QB, but that didn't happen. Experiment over. It's time to find a replacement. A rookie starts with a clean slate. They would bring a fresh, new aura to the team.
So what would your expectations be for a rookie to produce?
At what point would it be reasonable to expect him to produce at a level befitting a Super Bowl contending team?
If not immediately, how many years of the team's Super Bowl window will be wasted waiting for him to get to that level?
I would expect a rookie to have largely the same type of stats that Dak Prescott, Andy Dalton and Cam Newton had this season. They ranked 16, 17 and 18 among NFL QB's. Pretty average stats. Not bad, not great.
I would then expect a much better second season that would show a sharp improvement over what Blake Bortles would give us during the 2019 season. Possibly getting us to a Superbowl
I would say no more than 2-3 years, which I believe is very reasonable, considering a rookie would not weaken our budget and we could keep our high impact defensive players.
(02-09-2018, 01:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-09-2018, 01:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just advocating what I see as the most cap friendly solution in hopes of keeping the defensive roster intact moving forward. Hitting on a QB that could start in 2019 would keep some big spending at bay for a few more years. I think that possibility makes it worth an early pick in this draft. (I'd even advocate moving up ahead of Buffalo to take a QB if there were one they felt strongly about falling to pick 18 or 19 unexpectedly.)
So you'd be willing to give up next years 1 or 2?
I'm saying I'd support a decision by the team to move ahead of Buffalo if there were a QB they deemed worthy of the pick(s).
I haven't analyzed what it would cost them to do so. But I'd support it if they don't get hosed from a typical trade value perspective. I also think there will be some very intriguing prospects available at the Jags first and second round picks w/o having to move up.
The main point I'm trying to emphasize is that developing QB talent rather than signing it changes the landscape of the Jags' salary cap situation and I wouldn't hesitate to take a guy early.
(02-09-2018, 02:32 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 02:10 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]So what would your expectations be for a rookie to produce?
At what point would it be reasonable to expect him to produce at a level befitting a Super Bowl contending team?
If not immediately, how many years of the team's Super Bowl window will be wasted waiting for him to get to that level?
I would expect a rookie to have largely the same type of stats that Dak Prescott, Andy Dalton and Cam Newton had this season. They ranked 16, 17 and 18 among NFL QB's. Pretty average stats. Not bad, not great.
I would then expect a much better second season that would show a sharp improvement over what Blake Bortles would give us during the 2019 season. Possibly getting us to a Superbowl
I would say no more than 2-3 years, which I believe is very reasonable, considering a rookie would not weaken our budget and we could keep our high impact defensive players.
I would not.
Even though rookie QBs are coming in more prepared than they were in the past, and even though teams seem to be doing more to ease their transitions into the pro game, I still would not expect a rookie to come in and produce at an acceptable level in the first year.
I say this even with aberrations like Dak Prescott performing well in their rookie years.
(02-09-2018, 09:25 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 08:12 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Unsure why this thread did not register with me until now, but it poses an interesting question.
I will say that if Blake is not our guy, I would be more in favor of a veteran guy than a rookie. This team reached the AFCCG and was 2:37 from reaching the Super Bowl. This team is young enough and talented enough to contend again, and that would most likely be accomplished with a vet, as opposed to a guy who is just learning how to study film and just learning NFL defenses.
In the above scenario, at face value, Cousins would seem to be the best option. Statistically he has been productive in the league for quite some time. But he is not without concern. Aside from him winning fewer playoff games than Bortles, there is the matter of his cost, and whether his cost will make it more difficult to retain stalwarts like Ramsey, Jack, Ngakooue, Robinson and or Fowler in the future.
If that is a concern, I would make a play for Bengals' backup A.J. McCarron, who should be had far more cheaply than Cousins.
As someone who lives in the Cincinnati area and watches almost every Bengals game (because I have to, not because I want to), I can tell you unequivocally that McCarron would not be an upgrade from Bortles. McCarron can't even win the job from Andy Dalton, possibly be the most average QB in the NFL. It's not like McCarron hasn't had any chances to unseat him either. People here have been calling for Dalton's head for the last 2 years. There are even certain factions within the fan base who would like to see the Bengals use their first round pick on a QB, knowing that they already have one of the worst O-Lines, if not the worst, in entire the NFL. Just because the Cleveland Browns were dumb enough to offer a 2nd rounder for McCarron, doesn't mean he was worth it. I still believe they realized what a terrible mistake they were making and sabotaged that deal on purpose. I would consider McCarron a moderate upgrade from Chad Henne and nothing more. When he was spot starting, A.J. Green made him look much better than he actually was. If I was going to trade for some other team's backup, the only one I would even consider besides Foles (and his price tag is now likely too high), would be Sean Mannion and I wouldn't offer anything higher that a 6th or 7th round pick. I still say we should draft a QB.
(02-09-2018, 09:09 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]While I am a fan of Mayfield I do hope everyone understands that they will have to completely change the offense for Mayfield. He needs to be in the right situation for him to be successful. The type of offense designed for Watson is essentially what is needed for Mayfield. The staff has gone for a power O run offense not a spread offense so I don't think they'll target him.
I totally disagree. Teams needed to utilize Watson's running ability in order for him to succeed in the NFL. I don't believe that is the case with Mayfield. I see him more of a Drew Brees type than anything else. Mayfield has more arm talent than Watson does. Watson is a much better athlete, which is needed in a dual threat QB, but Mayfield can be a pocket passer in a pro style NFL offense and I believe he can thrive.
As a fan of Alabama football for 35 years, I can tell you Aj is a hell of alot better than you give him credit for! Just because the fans on a message board have been calling for him to start, that means what? If it was up to armchair front offices such as yourself, Chad Henne would have started week 3 this year.
If Blake stinks it up next year, do y’all think he consider a position change to TE? Lol Trade up in the draft, get Mayfield, Foles via trade, or sign Cousins to a ridiculous contract. Move Bortles to TE and get rid of Henne. Super Bowl. And the icing on the cake is if the starting QB gets injured, Bortles can step back in lol.
Flame away lol
(02-09-2018, 02:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 01:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]
So you'd be willing to give up next years 1 or 2?
I'm saying I'd support a decision by the team to move ahead of Buffalo if there were a QB they deemed worthy of the pick(s).
I haven't analyzed what it would cost them to do so. But I'd support it if they don't get hosed from a typical trade value perspective. I also think there will be some very intriguing prospects available at the Jags first and second round picks w/o having to move up.
The main point I'm trying to emphasize is that developing QB talent rather than signing it changes the landscape of the Jags' salary cap situation and I wouldn't hesitate to take a guy early.
Wouldn't developing talent at positions on defense currently filled with high salary and older players be a more realistic move for the Jags salary cap situation than gambling on the most difficult position to find a long term solution for?
If we're moving up in the draft, it'd have to be for Jackson, Allen, or Rudolph. Don't see how they can realistically get one of the other three without mortgaging the next 2-4 drafts. And I'm not comfortable giving up multiple picks for the first three guys I listed.
EDIT: Just remembered KC moved from 27 to 10 last year for Mahomes and it cost them 27, their 3rd that year, and a 2018 first. If Mayfield falls out of the top 10, seems like something that could be doable.
(02-09-2018, 02:19 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]The front office has always failed when they have sold out to chase win now and falling short in playoff games. You need to follow the Pittsburg model and be good enough to compete year in and year out and you win a superbowl by securing regular playoffs apperances. They know their brand of football and draft accordingly. I hope the front office acts accordingly.
That requires an elite QB, which the Jags don't have. Jags currently have a SB defense. Those types of defenses don't last long at all. In fact this upcoming season will likely be the last time we see everyone together + draft picks. Who knows maybe the draft picks end up being solid replacements on defense. After this season Fowler is a FA and a young pass rusher like that will require big bucks. Then the following season Ramsey, Ngakoue, and Jack will be FA. You don't let all 3 become FA, which means 2/3 will sign extensions next offseason. Similar to what the jags did with telvin and Linder and keeping the tag open for Arob. Players will be cut and the older vets will be aging while we wait for a rookie QB to develop if that's the plan. The window is now to win. If you got a stable QB then no there is no window and you continue to draft well and players come and go. That's not the case here at all unfortunately. We saw two year 2 QBs take massive jumps in Goff and Wentz. Thing is they have excellent offensive minded HCs to work with them in McVay and Pederson. Is that here in Jacksonville with Marrone? Is Hackett the guy? Because if you go the rookie option you better not miss and you got to have right coaches.
(02-09-2018, 02:55 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2018, 09:25 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]As someone who lives in the Cincinnati area and watches almost every Bengals game (because I have to, not because I want to), I can tell you unequivocally that McCarron would not be an upgrade from Bortles. McCarron can't even win the job from Andy Dalton, possibly be the most average QB in the NFL. It's not like McCarron hasn't had any chances to unseat him either. People here have been calling for Dalton's head for the last 2 years. There are even certain factions within the fan base who would like to see the Bengals use their first round pick on a QB, knowing that they already have one of the worst O-Lines, if not the worst, in entire the NFL. Just because the Cleveland Browns were dumb enough to offer a 2nd rounder for McCarron, doesn't mean he was worth it. I still believe they realized what a terrible mistake they were making and sabotaged that deal on purpose. I would consider McCarron a moderate upgrade from Chad Henne and nothing more. When he was spot starting, A.J. Green made him look much better than he actually was. If I was going to trade for some other team's backup, the only one I would even consider besides Foles (and his price tag is now likely too high), would be Sean Mannion and I wouldn't offer anything higher that a 6th or 7th round pick. I still say we should draft a QB.
I totally disagree. Teams needed to utilize Watson's running ability in order for him to succeed in the NFL. I don't believe that is the case with Mayfield. I see him more of a Drew Brees type than anything else. Mayfield has more arm talent than Watson does. Watson is a much better athlete, which is needed in a dual threat QB, but Mayfield can be a pocket passer in a pro style NFL offense and I believe he can thrive.
As a fan of Alabama football for 35 years, I can tell you Aj is a hell of alot better than you give him credit for! Just because the fans on a message board have been calling for him to start, that means what? If it was up to armchair front offices such as yourself, Chad Henne would have started week 3 this year.
I never said McCarron was a bad QB. I just simply stated a fact that he couldn't beat out an average starter like Dalton. With that said, I still view McCarron as one of the better backups in the NFL. I just wouldn't want him as an everyday starter.
As for Henne, you must not know me very well. I've hated Henne for a long time. I've wanted to cut him for at least 3 years. He's been a waste of a roster spot and offered absolutely no competition to Bortles.