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Quote:Yawn...

Bortles sucks dude. Get over yourself.

Zero stats. Zero facts. Typical Jags fan. And you wonder why the QBs change and the #26-#31 scoring defenses and losses don't. You just don't get it.

Quote:I said he hasn't played great this year. The point is young QBs that become great take 5 years to become good. Peyton Manning threw 100 INTs in his first 5 years. He also had Edgerrin James and a top 5 running game to assist him.


Answer the question....."What do the Jags do well?" In terms of statistics......compared to the rest of the league? This team is SO far away from the playoffs it isn't even funny. Grabbing a new QB does nothing. Nothing changes until the Jags get a real head coach.

Honestly question. I'm being genuine here.


If we had Belichek, do you think Bortles would still have a long throwing motion?


And second question, would he have tucked the ball and ran instead of throwing into triple coverage?


Serious questions.

Quote:Zero stats. Zero facts. Typical Jags fan. And you wonder why the QBs change and the #26-#31 scoring defenses and losses don't. You just don't get it.

I looked on google, and there wasn't a stat that showed me how long his throwing motion is.


So your right, I don't have any facts to back me up.

Quote:Honestly question. I'm being genuine here.

If we had Belichek, do you think Bortles would still have a long throwing motion?

And second question, would he have tucked the ball and ran instead of throwing into triple coverage?

Serious questions.

No. He wouldn't. He had Charlie Taafe at UCF and George O'Leary....they both cut down on the motion. However, they both put Bortles in an uptempo, shotgun, rollout pro style offense that played to Bortles strengths. This coaching staff is in 3rd and long nearly EVERY series. The WRs are getting zero separation and they have a league worst 3rd down % because they lead the NFL in 3rd down distance. It's common sense.


The Jags have the worst first down play calling in the NFL this year. They aren't even taking shots down the field. Bortles strength is rolling out and the deep ball. Where is the deep ball this year?


This is the worst coached NFL team I've ever seen. I honestly don't know how anyone could disagree.


Sure, Bortles can be elite. He could become an NFL backup. The NFL stands for "not for long". The problem is the Jags won't know how good Bortles, Allen Robinson, Hurns, Jack, Ramsey, or Telvin will EVER be without a competent coaching staff.

Quote:No. He wouldn't. He had Charlie Taafe at UCF and George O'Leary....they both cut down on the motion. However, they both put Bortles in an uptempo, shotgun, rollout pro style offense that played to Bortles strengths. This coaching staff is in 3rd and long nearly EVERY series. The WRs are getting zero separation and they have a league worst 3rd down % because they lead the NFL in 3rd down distance. It's common sense.


The Jags have the worst first down play calling in the NFL this year. They aren't even taking shots down the field. Bortles strength is rolling out and the deep ball. Where is the deep ball this year?


This is the worst coached NFL team I've ever seen. I honestly don't know how anyone could disagree.


Sure, Bortles can be elite. He could become an NFL backup. The NFL stands for "not for long". The problem is the Jags won't know how good Bortles, Allen Robinson, Hurns, Jack, Ramsey, or Telvin will EVER be without a competent coaching staff.

I read where Bortles has a QBR of like 27% on throws beyond 20 yards.


Why in the world is he so bad in the first quarter?

Quote:The Jags have the worst first down play calling in the NFL this year. They aren't even taking shots down the field. Bortles strength is rolling out and the deep ball. Where is the deep ball this year?

 

His strength is not and has never been the "deep ball."  

 

That's absolutely false on every level.  He has thrown deep this season a few times. Two of them were INTs. 

 

You really should stop.  Tell me again about Robinson never getting open. That was cute. 

Quote:I read where Bortles has a QBR of like 27% on throws beyond 20 yards.

Why in the world is he so bad in the first quarter?

I think the entire offense has been awful.


Yeldon isn't good. A Rob and Hurns are NEVER wide open. I watched Cooper and Crabtree and their separation skills are superior. The Jags best separation WR is clearly Marquise Lee.


Bortles has struggled but plenty of QBs have struggled and still made the playoffs because their team and coaching is good. Peyton last year, Brock Osweiler is way worse than Bortles but has an elite defense and good coach. Texans will make the playoffs.


Andrew Luck is an elite QB and he won't make the playoffs this year. His team is bad.


The point is, everyone on these message boards EXPECTS the Jags to be a playoff team but they do NOTHING well statistically. NOTHING.


It's all on coaching.

Quote:His strength is not and has never been the "deep ball."  

 

That's absolutely false on every level.  He has thrown deep this season a few times. Two of them were INTs. 

 

You really should stop.  Tell me again about Robinson never getting open. That was cute.

Yes. Must be the reason why Bortles led the NFL in deep passing last year....40 yarders and 20 yarders........

Quote:He's actually saying what we are all saying.


His throwing motion is broke, so why haven't the coaches addressed it.

Exactly. Its not brain science.

Quote:A Rob and Hurns are NEVER wide open.

 I've already proven you to be INCREDIBLY wrong on this. 

 

Stop. 

 

Feel free to review your prior complete failure here:

 

https://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/to.../?p=859500

Quote: I've already proven you to be INCREDIBLY wrong on this.


Stop.


Feel free to review your prior complete failure here:

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To be fair, thats not WIDE open. They are shadowing him in alot of those pictures.

Quote:Yes. Must be the reason why Bortles led the NFL in deep passing last year....40 yarders and 20 yarders........

He got bailed out on easily 50% of his completions beyond 25 yards last year. 

 

This year he looks like he can't hit a barn door. 

Quote:To be fair, thats not WIDE open. They are shadowing him in alot of those pictures.

I disagree completely. 

Quote:He got bailed out on easily 50% of his completions beyond 25 yards last year. 

 

This year he looks like he can't hit a barn door.

You're out of your mind. Bortles LED the NFL in passes 20 yards PLUS last year with 72 passes. You're telling me Bortles was bailed out 72 times? You're out of your mind. Bortles was only 23 years old. You Jags fans expect a miracle worker when NONE of the other Jaguars parts match up well against with the rest of the league, it's hilarious.

Quote:I think the entire offense has been awful.


Yeldon isn't good. A Rob and Hurns are NEVER wide open. I watched Cooper and Crabtree and their separation skills are superior. The Jags best separation WR is clearly Marquise Lee.


Bortles has struggled but plenty of QBs have struggled and still made the playoffs because their team and coaching is good. Peyton last year, Brock Osweiler is way worse than Bortles but has an elite defense and good coach. Texans will make the playoffs.


Andrew Luck is an elite QB and he won't make the playoffs this year. His team is bad.


The point is, everyone on these message boards EXPECTS the Jags to be a playoff team but they do NOTHING well statistically. NOTHING.


It's all on coaching.

Nah man, sorry. Your boy is a fat, sloppy drunk and he plays football like one. Maybe you can go be a fan of the team that signs him as a backup after he's done here if you love him so much. If a team even signs him at all. BUST.

Quote:I disagree completely.

In 2015, Tom Brady 624 passing attempts with 58 passes over 20 yards

In 2015, Drew Brees 627 passing attempts with 68 passes over 20 yards

In 2015, Blake Bortles 606 passing attempts with 72 passes over 20 yards


I know many of you can't analyze statistics but you're telling me Bortles at age 23 doesn't have A LOT of talent?


This season is 100% on coaching staff


In 2016, Blake Bortles 236 passing attempts with 20 passes over 20 yards


The deep ball is non existent with this horizontal Greg Olson screen pass game. I will run circles around Mr. Analytical Tony Khan.

Quote:You're out of your mind. Bortles LED the NFL in passes 20 yards PLUS last year with 72 passes. You're telling me Bortles was bailed out 72 times? You're out of your mind. Bortles was only 23 years old. You Jags fans expect a miracle worker when NONE of the other Jaguars parts match up well against with the rest of the league, it's hilarious.

 

The number would be 36.  Not 72.  50% means "half" BTW.  I didn't have an issue with his performance last year.  But he never excelled at throwing an accurate deep ball. 

 

I don't expect a miracle worker, but I don't expect him to came out in year three and look worse than year one. 

 

He needs to get his act together and you need to quit posting horse dung all over this message board.  You can be supportive of Blake w/o just posting inaccurate garbage to prop up your argument. 

Quote:Nah man, sorry. Your boy is a fat, sloppy drunk and he plays football like one. Maybe you can go be a fan of the team that signs him as a backup after he's done here if you love him so much. If a team even signs him at all. BUST.

Must be the reason why every player that leaves Jacksonville ends up playing BETTER once they left right? Coaching doesn't matter.

Quote:I will run circles around Mr. Analytical Tony Khan.

You just failed to compute 50% - but will run circles around Tony Khan in analytics. 

 

Cool story.  

Quote:You just failed to compute 50% - but will run circles around Tony Khan in analytics. 

 

Cool story.

We get it. Bortles led the NFL with 72 passes last year of more than 20 yards because HIS WRs bailed him out but NOW you blame Bortles season on Bortles instead of the non open, 16 drop WR tandem. Makes sense. I guess you can have it both ways when you're used to a 22% winning franchise.