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(10-11-2018, 11:46 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]The Londonville Jaguars are almost a reality!

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ksonville/

My guess is 4 home games in London and 4 in Jax.
I guess when you have to use tarps to cover up empty seats it's probably a good idea to look elsewhere. But then again I’m not smart enough to pay attention to facts, so what do I really know?

Well, clearly you don't understand statistics.

2017 avg home attendance:

Jax: 64,303
Tenn: 65,651

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(10-11-2018, 03:22 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2018, 02:30 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]There is absolutely no way they split 4/4 home games. 

1000% more likely they would do a home game followed by an "away" game at Wembley.

I definitely see us going this route in the near future.

That means some other team gives up a home game to London. I don't think anyone else really wants to do that at all.

(10-11-2018, 03:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2018, 11:46 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]The Londonville Jaguars are almost a reality!

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ksonville/

My guess is 4 home games in London and 4 in Jax.
I guess when you have to use tarps to cover up empty seats it's probably a good idea to look elsewhere. But then again I’m not smart enough to pay attention to facts, so what do I really know?

Well, clearly you don't understand statistics.

2017 avg home attendance:

Jax: 64,303
Tenn: 65,651

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(10-11-2018, 03:22 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I definitely see us going this route in the near future.

That means some other team gives up a home game to London. I don't think anyone else really wants to do that at all.

He doesn’t. Maybe he’d understand the 2018 average attendance better:

Jax - 65,965
Tennessee - 65,692

http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/order/false

(10-11-2018, 03:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2018, 11:46 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]The Londonville Jaguars are almost a reality!

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ksonville/

My guess is 4 home games in London and 4 in Jax.
I guess when you have to use tarps to cover up empty seats it's probably a good idea to look elsewhere. But then again I’m not smart enough to pay attention to facts, so what do I really know?

Well, clearly you don't understand statistics.

2017 avg home attendance:

Jax: 64,303
Tenn: 65,651

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(10-11-2018, 03:22 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I definitely see us going this route in the near future.

That means some other team gives up a home game to London. I don't think anyone else really wants to do that at all.

What do you mean?  They're already doing it.  There's more games in London besides ours.

(10-11-2018, 03:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That means some other team gives up a home game to London. I don't think anyone else really wants to do that at all.

There are two teams besides the Jags giving up home games this season to play in London. 

Chargers and Raiders.

FWIW if the Jags do leave for London I’ll be done with the NFL. I’ll spend Sunday’s during the fall hunting and fishing with my daughter. I may just end up doing that anyway.

(10-11-2018, 09:22 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW if the Jags do leave for London I’ll be done with the NFL. I’ll spend Sunday’s during the fall hunting and fishing with my daughter. I may just end up doing that anyway.

Not sure how I'd handle it (and I really don't think it will happen) but I wouldn't blame you a bit for that approach. 

I'd probably get back into MLB (used to watch about 55-60 games a year but haven't for some time) and I might follow college football more.

LONDON JAGS BABY! Jerry Jones has been on the record stating this will happen.

Go get your fish and chips and shhhhh.

(10-11-2018, 09:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2018, 09:22 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW if the Jags do leave for London I’ll be done with the NFL. I’ll spend Sunday’s during the fall hunting and fishing with my daughter. I may just end up doing that anyway.

Not sure how I'd handle it (and I really don't think it will happen) but I wouldn't blame you a bit for that approach. 

I'd probably get back into MLB (used to watch about 55-60 games a year but haven't for some time) and I might follow college football more.

Saturday’s would be for the Gators and Sunday’s would be for the outdoors. I’ll be 60 when my daughter is 18, and there would be nothing better to me than to teach my daughter how to live off the land. If the Jags ever leave town that would be my plan.

I definitely wouldn't renew my season tickets if I had to pay for 2 pre-season games as part of my 4 home game package. I think one of those pre-season games would have to go to London in that scenario, but which city do you award the playoff games to though? And which city's name is attached to the franchise in such an "equitable" split. It makes very little real world sense to do such a thing.

Regarding the Jags playing 1 home game and 1 away game in London, I'm not sure the league would be for that as far as a competitive advantage for the Jags is concerned. I haven't been to a London game yet (maybe one day), but I'm under the assumption that the majority of fans at the game are rooting for the Jags. Someone that's been correct me if I'm wrong. If the Jags were the away team there for another game during the season, wouldn't most of those same fans show up and make it a de facto 9th home game for the Jags? Not sure the league would approve that.

I think the best thing to allow the league to expand fanbases in other continents is to do either 8 games in London with 8 different teams being the home team and sell season tickets to those interested enough in seeing so many different teams play live or to play 4 games in London, 4 in Mexico City, 4 in Tokyo and 4 in one other international location like Berlin. Of course they'd probably have to build up to 4 games over time in each of those cities other than London.

I'm not sure how you add an expansion team or 2 overseas or anywhere without making the schedule a mess. Right now the schedule is pretty straight forward with 32 teams, 2 conferences and 8 divisions and 16 games per team. It just works really well the way it's currently set up.

(10-11-2018, 10:16 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the Jags playing 1 home game and 1 away game in London, I'm not sure the league would be for that as far as a competitive advantage for the Jags is concerned.  I haven't been to a London game yet (maybe one day), but I'm under the assumption that the majority of fans at the game are rooting for the Jags.  Someone that's been correct me if I'm wrong.  If the Jags were the away team there for another game during the season, wouldn't most of those same fans show up and make it a de facto 9th home game for the Jags?  Not sure the league would approve that.

I don't think this is the competitive advantage that the league/owners would be most worried about.  Unless they decide to do two games the previous week and have another team do a home and away in London, we'd (theoretically) have a big advantage being acclimated to the time change and jet lag over a team that arrives that week.  I don't think the Eagles would be too thrilled if we had a London game prior to hosting them this season.

I met recently one of the owners of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

There's only one Jaguar owner, Shad Khan.

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NH3...

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(10-11-2018, 11:23 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]"I met recently one of the owners of the Jacksonville Jaguars".

There's only one Jaguar owner, Shad Khan.

NH3...

I havent fully trusted khan since day 1.. i dont trust any billionaire and never will. They will always hase the money, as sure as death is true..

I dont think he will move the team there permanently, but I fully believe he is looking to add games there in the future, how many is up for debate.

I can def see a 4 in jax 4 in london eventually.

If he adds anymore home games to london, i will probably be done with the team. 10 strait years of losing and i stayed true, but taking games and moving them to london and making us europes team with sone sort of split.. nawx Id be out as im sure tons of others would too

(10-11-2018, 11:29 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]...

I can def see a 4 in jax 4 in london eventually.
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People keep saying this, but it doesn't really make any sense. 

Look at it this way:
If a handful of Jags players kneeling pre-game altered attendance by 4K-7K people for a few games last year  -  how many do you think they'd lose if he announced a split in games with a European city?  

There would be no point of maintaining the Jacksonville base if there are 35-40K people showing up to a 68K seat stadium.  And I believe that's exactly what would happen.

(10-11-2018, 11:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2018, 11:29 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]...

I can def see a 4 in jax 4 in london eventually.
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People keep saying this, but it doesn't really make any sense. 

Look at it this way:
If a handful of Jags players kneeling pre-game altered attendance by 4K-7K people for a few games last year  -  how many do you think they'd lose if he announced a split in games with a European city?  

There would be no point of maintaining the Jacksonville base if there are 35-40K people showing up to a 68K seat stadium.  And I believe that's exactly what would happen.

I don't really think it would work on either end.

(10-11-2018, 10:16 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I definitely wouldn't renew my season tickets if I had to pay for 2 pre-season games as part of my 4 home game package. I think one of those pre-season games would have to go to London in that scenario, but which city do you award the playoff games to though? And which city's name is attached to the franchise in such an "equitable" split. It makes very little real world sense to do such a thing.

Regarding the Jags playing 1 home game and 1 away game in London, I'm not sure the league would be for that as far as a competitive advantage for the Jags is concerned. I haven't been to a London game yet (maybe one day), but I'm under the assumption that the majority of fans at the game are rooting for the Jags. Someone that's been correct me if I'm wrong. If the Jags were the away team there for another game during the season, wouldn't most of those same fans show up and make it a de facto 9th home game for the Jags? Not sure the league would approve that.

I think the best thing to allow the league to expand fanbases in other continents is to do either 8 games in London with 8 different teams being the home team and sell season tickets to those interested enough in seeing so many different teams play live or to play 4 games in London, 4 in Mexico City, 4 in Tokyo and 4 in one other international location like Berlin. Of course they'd probably have to build up to 4 games over time in each of those cities other than London.

I'm not sure how you add an expansion team or 2 overseas or anywhere without making the schedule a mess. Right now the schedule is pretty straight forward with 32 teams, 2 conferences and 8 divisions and 16 games per team. It just works really well the way it's currently set up.

Fans in London already are fans of a NFL team. You will we jerseys for every team there. People are going to a NFL game, not a Jaguars game. With most of the fans being neutral, except for all of the fans from the US making the trip, they may be cheering for the Jags by now. They don't know how to make noise at the right time though so it's whenever exciting things happen.


Right now people go because there is a limited supply. If you add games, then people might start being picky about which game they go to. Then you see that London doesn't sell out all the time and the novelty wears off. They need to expand and add 1 game in London for every team and they can rotate home teams each year.

Then when that fails like NFL Europe did, they can forget about this stupid dream of trying to make more money. Be happy with all the billions you already have.



If Khan does this though, I'm done. I would want to ruin all his business interests in Florida, close the port access to his companies, etc but that would hurt people by costing them their jobs so couldn't do that. Unfortunately there is nothing Jacksonville can do to stop it if the NFL or Khan wants it.

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I’m not ready to believe any of this mess yet. My question would be why would Khan put so much effort to build up this city around the Jags (shipyards, lot J project, stadium enhancements etc) only to take away games and hurt his potential profits? I doesn’t make much sense from a financial standpoint and obviously Khan isn’t ignorant when it comes to money.

(10-11-2018, 03:56 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2018, 03:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Well, clearly you don't understand statistics.

2017 avg home attendance:

Jax: 64,303
Tenn: 65,651

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That means some other team gives up a home game to London. I don't think anyone else really wants to do that at all.

What do you mean?  They're already doing it.  There's more games in London besides ours.

Yes, but for us it was a need, I don't think other teams are champing at the bit to do it.

(10-12-2018, 07:01 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2018, 03:56 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]What do you mean?  They're already doing it.  There's more games in London besides ours.

Yes, but for us it was a need, I don't think other teams are champing at the bit to do it.

What does that have to do with anything?  There's already two more teams besides us that have lost home games to London this year alone.  If we're playing one more away game there it's not going to matter what the other team wants.

I'm staying in the camp of the believers- he's done a marvelous job here and has not lied to us yet. Why would he not stay with what he's built here and continue on with his other Jacksonville projects, using the cash flow from the Jags to fuel it all? In the meantime, Wembley likely wasn't expected and offered him the opportunity to control a lot of what the NFL and other organizations do over there.

Wembley isn't mothballed for 360 days/year while waiting for the NFL to show up 2-3 times in the fall. I don't know but I'm sure there are many, many events there and Mr. Khan will do for them what he's done for his NFL franchise, he will enhance everyone's enjoyment of them and sell them out.

For Jacksonville, it all comes down to attendance and fan support as usual. If the attendance stays up, all is good; if not, well then it's a new conversation. This will never go away but I'm choosing to believe Mr. Khan and not let other teams' fans rattle my cage.