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(06-11-2018, 06:26 AM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]What's the status on the docks? Any progress or is the city waiting for Sleiman to buy it and do nothing with it
The Shipyards project is moving forward, albeit slowly. There's a lot of red tape involving the property because of the cleanup that's going to be required in order to take the land from a vacant lot to valuable real estate that's generating tax revenue.
Fortunately, Sleiman has no interest in the Shipyards. He's too busy talking a good game about renovating the Landing while being in legal battles with the city. When he took over the Landing years ago, it shouldn't have come as any sort of surprise that nearly nothing would be done to improve the facility. The guy is the strip mall king of northeast Florida.
Definitely seems like this is an extremely slow moving process for the city/Kahn. I remember the ecological concerns of tests that they needed to get done because they weren't sure that it safe or who was gonna pay for it.
If we could just get Sleiman and his family and move them somewhere else I'd be very happy. They just slow things down soooo much by charging so much for there properties and then doing nothing to improve the properties when nobody is leading them ala The Landing.
One reason in particular why I'm skeptical about London getting an NFL team in the next decade plus is the travel factor for that team. A London based team would almost certainly have to make several trips to the United States each season. The toll the travel and daily life arrangements it would take on the players on a London team would likely be substantial.
(06-11-2018, 03:21 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018, 09:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are you having a hard time differentiating between the financial goals of a small market franchise and the capital available to its owner from the sum of his business ventures?
Mr. Khan and Mr. Lamping might be. And I'm sure the Jacksonville City leaders will take note of the suddenly deep pockets of "Jaguars LLC".
you do understand that not every penny Mr Khan has is tied up in Jaguars LLC right? He does have a pretty nice sum of money in his personal account that he can add to Jaguars LLC and
from other accounts he owns, or he can also finance things from any bank he chooses if he desired...
(06-11-2018, 03:21 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018, 09:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are you having a hard time differentiating between the financial goals of a small market franchise and the capital available to its owner from the sum of his business ventures?
Mr. Khan and Mr. Lamping might be. And I'm sure the Jacksonville City leaders will take note of the suddenly deep pockets of "Jaguars LLC".
I'm sure they're well aware of how deep Khan's pockets can be, especially considering he's picking up half the check for improvements on a building he doesn't own.
(06-11-2018, 03:21 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018, 09:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are you having a hard time differentiating between the financial goals of a small market franchise and the capital available to its owner from the sum of his business ventures?
Mr. Khan and Mr. Lamping might be. And I'm sure the Jacksonville City leaders will take note of the suddenly deep pockets of "Jaguars LLC".
I'll take that as a "yes."
The league and the C.o.J. all know exactly how wealthy Shad Khan is. He is free to fund his team-ownership endeavors with money from his other income streams if he desires - and he's allowed to add a stadium in London to the capital of that LLC. As long as the taxman gets his due, Khan can combine his resources in a myriad of ways.
You're looking for something shady in a treeless pasture under a cloudless sky.
And again. No one ever said that Jaguars LLC was "hurting for revenue" as you suggested. Lamping has merely pointed out the league averages that the Jags fall short of - and then established goals and proposals to close the gap. It is literally his job to do exactly that.
Should Lamping/Khan have said "the Jags make decent money for a small market team. Let's just stand pat with that." ??
(06-12-2018, 04:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2018, 03:21 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Mr. Khan and Mr. Lamping might be. And I'm sure the Jacksonville City leaders will take note of the suddenly deep pockets of "Jaguars LLC".
I'll take that as a "yes."
The league and the C.o.J. all know exactly how wealthy Shad Khan is. He is free to fund his team-ownership endeavors with money from his other income streams if he desires - and he's allowed to add a stadium in London to the capital of that LLC. As long as the taxman gets his due, Khan can combine his resources in a myriad of ways.
You're looking for something shady in a treeless pasture under a cloudless sky.
And again. No one ever said that Jaguars LLC was "hurting for revenue" as you suggested. Lamping has merely pointed out the league averages that the Jags fall short of - and then established goals and proposals to close the gap. It is literally his job to do exactly that.
Should Lamping/Khan have said "the Jags make decent money for a small market team. Let's just stand pat with that." ??
Well put. I think, like you basically said in a early post, that the jag's money and khan's money are not always one in the same. Because he makes a purchase and places it the team's name does not mean the initial funds to make said purchase came out of the coffers of the jaguars.
I appreciate that he draws comparisons between us and the rest of the league in terms of revenue and sets goals to be competitive with them. BUT, we are a young(very important to remember when comparing to other high earning teams.) and are a very small market team(in comparison to some where like Houston/LA or Baltimore who have also received teams in the last 3 decades). This , at least IMO,presents two slight handicaps if we really intend to achieve these goals- History of generations of fans that other small market teams have that will allow them to endure droughts and still maintain successful revenue and the obvious market that a highly populated location provides.
I'm not saying it is impossible and it is commendable that we are aiming high. I would, however, keep portions of what they toss out to the media under wraps because I think a lot of it easily can be interpreted two ways. That is sort of what I was getting at earlier. You don't here the colt owner gloating about his team going to London and I don't think I've have heard the eagles brass mention it and if they did I am sure it has not been as much as ours does. These types of things are what give the media and the conspiracy theorist ammo to write the bs and piece together the puzzles that may or may not exist.
The treeless pasture and cloudless sky touted a doggie bathroom but neglected to mention their attempt to purchase Wembley Stadium.
(06-13-2018, 07:04 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]The treeless pasture and cloudless sky touted a doggie bathroom but neglected to mention their attempt to purchase Wembley Stadium.
I did my best to keep up but now I'm lost.
(06-11-2018, 05:10 PM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]Definitely seems like this is an extremely slow moving process for the city/Kahn. I remember the ecological concerns of tests that they needed to get done because they weren't sure that it safe or who was gonna pay for it.
If we could just get Sleiman and his family and move them somewhere else I'd be very happy. They just slow things down soooo much by charging so much for there properties and then doing nothing to improve the properties when nobody is leading them ala The Landing.
The approval process has to go through several layers of bureaucratic red tape before they can complete it, so it's an inherently slow process by design. Any time you're dealing with a government entity on something like this, that's the case. That's why Khan and Lamping came up with the Lot J project. It's property they have total control over, so there's less interaction with the city on developing the land beyond the normal permitting process.
(06-13-2018, 07:04 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]The treeless pasture and cloudless sky touted a doggie bathroom but neglected to mention their attempt to purchase Wembley Stadium.
So, your expectation is that Khan should have to clear every business decision he makes with you and the city of Jacksonville regardless of what that might be? So, if he wants to change the composite used in manufacturing bumpers for Toyotas, you need to know this?
How much tinfoil do you go through in a given day as you make your hats?
I do not have any expectations for Mr. Khan's business ventures, but as a long time Jaguar fan I pay attention to what Shad says and also to what he does not say.
I get the heavy-duty tinfoil from Costco. Still using the same roll.
PFT reports that Khan is looking at the tax implication of playing games in London while still having the team "based" in Jacksonville.
(10-11-2018, 11:24 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]PFT reports that Khan is looking at the tax implication of playing games in London while still having the team "based" in Jacksonville.
Cool. That means we'll still host training camp and perhaps preseason games.
(10-11-2018, 11:24 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]PFT reports that Khan is looking at the tax implication of playing games in London while still having the team "based" in Jacksonville.
Do you have a link?
The Londonville Jaguars are almost a reality!
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ksonville/
My guess is 4 home games in London and 4 in Jax.
I guess when you have to use tarps to cover up empty seats it's probably a good idea to look elsewhere. But then again I’m not smart enough to pay attention to facts, so what do I really know?
(06-13-2018, 03:38 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]I do not have any expectations for Mr. Khan's business ventures, but as a long time Jaguar fan I pay attention to what Shad says and also to what he does not say.
I get the heavy-duty tinfoil from Costco. Still using the same roll.
There's a Costco at Wembley Park.
If this is true, I truly cannot figure this owners moves out. Why would he pull something like this to a fanbase that stuck by these mediocre teams for a decade and he has finally put a successful product on the field. Another thing that pisses me off is how khan handles this type of speculation, Something like this will pop up and he will be silent for a while when addressing this to the fan base. Then when he does, the explanation normally answers no questions.
It is almost like he wants for us to compete with somewhere else for our team which is absolutely stupid. Yes this is a market sport but that isn't how you gain loyalty from fans.
(10-11-2018, 11:46 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]The Londonville Jaguars are almost a reality!
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ksonville/
My guess is 4 home games in London and 4 in Jax.
I guess when you have to use tarps to cover up empty seats it's probably a good idea to look elsewhere.
his is obviously Khan's intention, anyone with an objective mind can see this. The best case scenario for Jacksonville at this point would be playing 4 games in Jacksonville and 4 games in London. That's better than moving the team overseas completely
Just remember the source for that article is a writer who is basing it off his own opinion...and that opinion is based on the disgruntled ex employee.
The daily mail is basically the fox of english news. Its wrong most of the time.
(10-11-2018, 12:11 PM)jagforlife85 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2018, 11:46 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]The Londonville Jaguars are almost a reality!
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ksonville/
My guess is 4 home games in London and 4 in Jax.
I guess when you have to use tarps to cover up empty seats it's probably a good idea to look elsewhere.
his is obviously Khan's intention, anyone with an objective mind can see this. The best case scenario for Jacksonville at this point would be playing 4 games in Jacksonville and 4 games in London. That's better than moving the team overseas completely
You may as well move all 8 in that scenario. Fanbase won't support that at all.
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