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(10-23-2018, 01:37 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2018, 12:25 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty good analysis. Defenses will squat on Kessler because he can't drive the ball. They'll squat on Bortles because he is wildly inaccurate when he throws over 15 yards. I don't see a huge difference in the way teams would play us. 

I do think it looks like Kessler reads the field a bit better but I'm not nearly astute enough to say that with any assurance.

And to take that a step further, if the defense is squating down to try take away our usual crossers and stuff which QB is best equipped to counter that? I'd argue the one with much better accuracy and timing...

 Yeah he seems like a high IQ guy based on everything we know of him.

I'm still not sure what to make of Hackett, I've been high on him in the past. His opening scripts used to be top notch and that's usually the product of great offensive planning and analysis but I dunno anymore.  

As an OC his QBs have been Ej Manuel, Jeff Tuel, Thad Lewis , Kyle Orton and Bortles. I mean, it's nigh on impossible to scheme an offense around those guys. He made Blake serviceable last year and made Orton okay for a year.

Can he do better with better QB talent? Possibly but I'm also not sure if I wanna find out.

Hackett was Marrones OC in Buffalo. Marrone beleives in run only so his OC has the same mentalaty and it shows with no imagination in the passing game. But what really gets me is if we run and play and it works, we dont run it again in future games, and if it does not work we dont run it again. The pats game we ran a jetsweep with westrbrook a few times and it worked good. we tried it with the TE once more and that got him injured. I like us to see more exotic playcalling to confuse defenses.
(10-23-2018, 02:37 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2018, 01:37 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]And to take that a step further, if the defense is squating down to try take away our usual crossers and stuff which QB is best equipped to counter that? I'd argue the one with much better accuracy and timing...

 Yeah he seems like a high IQ guy based on everything we know of him.

I'm still not sure what to make of Hackett, I've been high on him in the past. His opening scripts used to be top notch and that's usually the product of great offensive planning and analysis but I dunno anymore.  

As an OC his QBs have been Ej Manuel, Jeff Tuel, Thad Lewis , Kyle Orton and Bortles. I mean, it's nigh on impossible to scheme an offense around those guys. He made Blake serviceable last year and made Orton okay for a year.

Can he do better with better QB talent? Possibly but I'm also not sure if I wanna find out.

Hackett was Marrones OC in Buffalo. Marrone beleives in run only so his OC has the same mentalaty and it shows with no imagination in the passing game. But what really gets me is if we run and play and it works, we dont run it again in future games, and if it does not work we dont run it again. The pats game we ran a jetsweep with westrbrook a few times and it worked good. we tried it with the TE once more and that got him injured. I like us to see more exotic playcalling to confuse defenses.

Did you read the post
(10-23-2018, 02:42 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2018, 02:37 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Hackett was Marrones OC in Buffalo. Marrone beleives in run only so his OC has the same mentalaty and it shows with no imagination in the passing game. But what really gets me is if we run and play and it works, we dont run it again in future games, and if it does not work we dont run it again. The pats game we ran a jetsweep with westrbrook a few times and it worked good. we tried it with the TE once more and that got him injured. I like us to see more exotic playcalling to confuse defenses.

Did you read the post

yes and thinking that if hackett had a better qb, he would scheme differently i just done think would happen. and my opinion is that even if he had drew breese he would still scheme the same way because that is all they know run run run. Now i will say if hackett where to be taken out of maroones shadow he may be able to come up with a more pass oriented or more balanced scheme i just done know the answer to that one.
(10-23-2018, 02:51 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2018, 02:42 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Did you read the post

yes and thinking that if hackett had a better qb, he would scheme differently i just done think would happen. and my opinion is that even if he had drew breese he would still scheme the same way because that is all they know run run run. Now i will say if hackett where to be taken out of maroones shadow he may be able to come up with a more pass oriented or more balanced scheme i just done know the answer to that one.

That's exactly what I'm saying. He hasn't had the QBs to do any exotic kind of scheme or even a balanced one. But also I'm not sure I'd want him molding the next QB
(10-23-2018, 01:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2018, 12:40 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention the OL can't block long enough for anything really deep.
Oh and the OC doesn't really call a lot of deep shots.
"power run" and crossers is what we get. Maybe some 10 yard out stuff.

zzzzzz
And why do you think that is? It has nothing to do with Hackett and everything to do with Blake.

Actually I think it has to do with a lot of things. The mindset of the HC. The ability (or inability) of the QB. And the OL that is banged up and not protecting "overly great".

(10-23-2018, 01:17 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-23-2018, 01:11 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]And yet we have done a big fat zero the past three years.  They want to play this way.
Blake can't make every throw. He can't make quick reads and he has a slow release. They can't call certain plays because he can't throw them. 

You think they would still be running an offense like this if the Jags had Rodgers or Brees?
They've had opportunities to go elsewhere at QB.
They chose not to.
They chose to extend a QB that they had to make a simple offense for and he still can't operate in it.
So they aren't good at developing talent or evaluating it lol

And in the NFL we see it every year where some offensive or defensive coach thinks his scheme and plays are what matters more than the players executing them.
Meaning... yeah, it is possible for Hack to call the same plays with Brees or Rodgers.
It's also very possible they could operate it and it wouldn't be such a snoozer.
The world may never know.
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