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If we are getting rid of every qb who has ups and downs we will be churning through qbs forever unless we get lucky and hit on a Brady or manning.

(10-07-2018, 10:14 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 09:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Too soon to start the Kessler talk IMO.

I actually disagree. We know what we have in Bortles: a streaky QB who'll be a star some weeks, do just enough to win most of the time and occasionally get into a rut where he's taking hits he shouldn't, placing the ball five yards behind his receiver and hitting his offensive linemen in the back of the head with a screen pass. That's not good enough on this team, where we have Super Bowl talent on defense and just need a capable game manager to chew up clock and get us 14 points per game.

Bortles isn't that guy. We've been waiting for a few years now to get his head screwed on straight, and at this point, if this season is what we're going on, I don't think he ever will. Get Kessler warmed up, get him ready to go, because if Bortles keeps this up we'll be out of playoff contention by December and we might as well see what Kessler can do.

Amen brother. Today a QB with 4 NFL starts completely outplayed our 5th year starter against a way better defense. I’m sick of seeing balls thrown in the dirt and 3 feet behind receivers. You never know which QB in Bortles is going to show up from week to week. It’s year 5 and he’s supposedly the healthiest he’s ever been, and nothing has changed. It’s time for this staff to start preparing this team for life after Bortles.

(10-07-2018, 09:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 09:52 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]how do people think kessler is so much worse than bortles?  bortles leads the league in SCORING FOR THE OTHER TEAM over the last 4 years... THAT STAT IN AND OF ITSELF is awful

the games bortles has been good in have been filled with crossing routes where the WR's get tons of YAC.. he had the great throw to moncrief last week, but why cant kessler make that pass?  I feel most of what blake does, kessler can hit, and if kessler can take care of the ball better, then he is better for this team

Bortles leads the league in tipped passes, the man is just awful

Kessler's velocity is pretty craptastic.  You put him in and you can just remove most of your deep pass plays from the playbook. I think he's smarter with the football and he could probably run the dink and dunk stuff better.  But he's no clear upgrade and he'd make the offense less dynamic.

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(10-07-2018, 09:55 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]He is. And what capacity over who the starting QB is a mystery to me.

That's not Caldwell's call either. It's Marrone's.

how do you figure?  we are not a vertical passing team in any sense of the word, we dont even go deep when dared too... even the moncrief TD last week the pass was not thrown far down field, it was lobbed for him to go get it, there was not deep out velocity on it, most was RAC

we are a team that needs ball posession, chaing moving throws, short to intermediate passing game, with the occassional deep shot... we are not out here using blakes INSANE arm to throw it all over the field, that is a myth

(10-07-2018, 10:18 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 10:07 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]No buddy those are REAL stats. At this point it’s obvious you’re suffering from Stockholm Syndrome with the terrible QB play this franchise has been dealing with since Brunell retired.

The only thing I'm suffering from is the realism of the big picture on things that actually take place during games, as well as a lack of alcohol intake needed to deal with some of you knee jerking, flip flopping, cry babies that pop their heads up on these forums only at certain times.

The big picture is Blake was outplayed by a QB with 4 NFL starts facing a better defense. That’s the reality of this situation. Sorry that you’re unable to see that.

If less dynamic offense means less turnovers count me in. This defense is good enough to win a ton of games but not if the QB is giving the ball away. Also 6 points against Tennesse and 14 against the league's worst defense is hardly dynamic.

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Bortles is #1 in int's this season and 33rd in qb rating. Some of you are laughable about making excuses.

(10-07-2018, 10:27 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 10:18 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing I'm suffering from is the realism of the big picture on things that actually take place during games, as well as a lack of alcohol intake needed to deal with some of you knee jerking, flip flopping, cry babies that pop their heads up on these forums only at certain times.

The big picture is Blake was outplayed by a QB with 4 NFL starts facing a better defense. That’s the reality of this situation. Sorry that you’re unable to see that.

Oh that's the stance we're taking? Ok...

Then I have no issues because Bortles just completely destroyed and outplayed the Greatest QB of All Time, Tom Brady, a couple weeks ago. That's the real reality of this situation, so why are you so upset?

If you want consistency, sure, Kessler is your guy. If you like 16-30 160 yds 1 td 1 int every week. Without Fournette you won't win many games with Kessler.

I do think that Blake can't keep posting these bipolar performances, he needs to settle in and consistently perform well or another signal caller will be coming in next season to really push BB5. I know pickings were slim in FA, but you have to try to bring in someone. This team has been notoriously stubborn at QB through multiple regimes, for some reason.

(10-07-2018, 10:33 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]If you want consistency, sure, Kessler is your guy. If you like 16-30 160 yds 1 td 1 int every week. Without Fournette you won't win many games with Kessler.

I do think that Blake can't keep posting these bipolar performances, he needs to settle in and consistently perform well or another signal caller will be coming in next season to really push BB5. I know pickings were slim in FA, but you have to try to bring in someone. This team has been notoriously stubborn at QB through multiple regimes, for some reason.

This was his rookie year

https://youtu.be/949e9Mli0bI

(10-07-2018, 10:32 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 10:27 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]The big picture is Blake was outplayed by a QB with 4 NFL starts facing a better defense. That’s the reality of this situation. Sorry that you’re unable to see that.

Oh that's the stance we're taking? Ok...

Then I have no issues because Bortles just completely destroyed and outplayed the Greatest QB of All Time, Tom Brady, a couple weeks ago. That's the real reality of this situation, so why are you so upset?

And how did he follow up that game? 6 lousy points at home against the tacks. Sorry Blake is too wildly inconsistent to bank on him leading this team to wins from week to week. I want Blake to be good as much as any fan of this team, but we’ve seen his ceiling and it’s not very high. At this point we’re winning games in spite of him instead of because of him.

Why does that guy keep saying hes first in ints and 33rd in QB rating? Looks like carr has more ints and unless you're counting people that have thrown 1 or 2 passes this year hes not 33rd? Lol

(10-07-2018, 10:41 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 10:32 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh that's the stance we're taking? Ok...

Then I have no issues because Bortles just completely destroyed and outplayed the Greatest QB of All Time, Tom Brady, a couple weeks ago. That's the real reality of this situation, so why are you so upset?

And how did he follow up that game? 6 lousy points at home against the tacks. Sorry Blake is too wildly inconsistent to bank on him leading this team to wins from week to week. I want Blake to be good as much as any fan of this team, but we’ve seen his ceiling and it’s not very high. At this point we’re winning games in spite of him instead of because of him.

That has nothing to do with the argument you were trying to make, but just like listing stats that are always half told... You want to completely ignore the same argument you were just trying to make in your previous post..

You need to stop acting like there isn't 10 other guys on the field at the same time.

Also, stop crying and get over it. Bortles is the QB of this team and he's going to stay as the QB of this team. So you and anybody else should really stop crying and wetting your little panties about it.

The irony of it all is, that all of you kids crying about Bortles right now, probably believe he had good, clean pass protection all day today. You guys probably actually believe that this loss was entirely and solely on Bortles' shoulders huh..

(10-07-2018, 10:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 10:41 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]And how did he follow up that game? 6 lousy points at home against the tacks. Sorry Blake is too wildly inconsistent to bank on him leading this team to wins from week to week. I want Blake to be good as much as any fan of this team, but we’ve seen his ceiling and it’s not very high. At this point we’re winning games in spite of him instead of because of him.

That has nothing to do with the argument you were trying to make, but just like listing stats that are always half told... You want to completely ignore the same argument you were just trying to make in your previous post..

You need to stop acting like there isn't 10 other guys on the field at the same time.

Also, stop crying and get over it. Bortles is the QB of this team and he's going to stay as the QB of this team. So you and anybody else should really stop crying and wetting your little panties about it.

The irony of it all is, that all of you kids crying about Bortles right now, probably believe he had good, clean pass protection all day today. You guys probably actually believe that this loss was entirely and solely on Bortles' shoulders huh..

It’s not even worth responding to you anymore because outside of spacecoast you’re the biggest Bortles apologist on the board. Facts don’t matter to you because you’re just going to see things the way you want to, and that’s fine. But I’ve been watching football for about 40 years and I know a bad quarterback when I see one and Bortles is a bad quarterback. I’ll root for this team for as long as we have them, but you’ll never convince me that we are going to win a championship with Blake as the quarterback. Have a good night sir.

(10-07-2018, 11:19 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 10:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]That has nothing to do with the argument you were trying to make, but just like listing stats that are always half told... You want to completely ignore the same argument you were just trying to make in your previous post..

You need to stop acting like there isn't 10 other guys on the field at the same time.

Also, stop crying and get over it. Bortles is the QB of this team and he's going to stay as the QB of this team. So you and anybody else should really stop crying and wetting your little panties about it.

The irony of it all is, that all of you kids crying about Bortles right now, probably believe he had good, clean pass protection all day today. You guys probably actually believe that this loss was entirely and solely on Bortles' shoulders huh..

It’s not even worth responding to you anymore because outside of spacecoast you’re the biggest Bortles apologist on the board. Facts don’t matter to you because you’re just going to see things the way you want to, and that’s fine. But I’ve been watching football for about 40 years and I know a bad quarterback when I see one and Bortles is a bad quarterback. I’ll root for this team for as long as we have them, but you’ll never convince me that we are going to win a championship with Blake as the quarterback. Have a good night sir.

Hey guess what? Nobody gives two flying [BLEEP] about your opinion, which you keep trying to speak as if it's  gospel... Just shut up.

(10-07-2018, 11:29 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 11:19 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not even worth responding to you anymore because outside of spacecoast you’re the biggest Bortles apologist on the board. Facts don’t matter to you because you’re just going to see things the way you want to, and that’s fine. But I’ve been watching football for about 40 years and I know a bad quarterback when I see one and Bortles is a bad quarterback. I’ll root for this team for as long as we have them, but you’ll never convince me that we are going to win a championship with Blake as the quarterback. Have a good night sir.

Hey guess what? Nobody gives two flying [BLEEP] about your opinion, which you keep trying to speak as if it's  gospel... Just shut up.

And nobody gives a flying [BLEEP] about your opinion either [BLEEP]. You’ll be defending Bortles all the way until the day he’s cut so go [BLEEP] yourself. Ignored list you go dickwad.

When your LT is pulled to be replaced by a back-up guard you have an o-line problem (unless he was hurt, I missed the game)

(10-07-2018, 10:23 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 10:14 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]I actually disagree. We know what we have in Bortles: a streaky QB who'll be a star some weeks, do just enough to win most of the time and occasionally get into a rut where he's taking hits he shouldn't, placing the ball five yards behind his receiver and hitting his offensive linemen in the back of the head with a screen pass. That's not good enough on this team, where we have Super Bowl talent on defense and just need a capable game manager to chew up clock and get us 14 points per game.

Bortles isn't that guy. We've been waiting for a few years now to get his head screwed on straight, and at this point, if this season is what we're going on, I don't think he ever will. Get Kessler warmed up, get him ready to go, because if Bortles keeps this up we'll be out of playoff contention by December and we might as well see what Kessler can do.

Amen brother. Today a QB with 4 NFL starts completely outplayed our 5th year starter against a way better defense. I’m sick of seeing balls thrown in the dirt and 3 feet behind receivers. You never know which QB in Bortles is going to show up from week to week. It’s year 5 and he’s supposedly the healthiest he’s ever been, and nothing has changed. It’s time for this staff to start preparing this team for life after Bortles.

Don't underplay Mahomes by dismissing him as just a QB with four starts. He's special. I don't buy into the "Brett Favre" stuff because that's what they say about every young QB that strings together a few good games and can run with it, but there's no doubt that he is special.

I'm tired of not knowing which QB will show up on a weekly basis: good Blake, good-enough Blake or bad Blake? Put Alex Smith, unremarkable limp-armed game-managing Alex Smith on this team and we're 4-1, maybe even 5-0. If I had to choose between Alex Smith and Ronnie Harrison with that third-round pick, I mean, I think Ronnie's got a great future ahead of him and I'm glad he's on board, but I'd take Smith 10 times out of 10.

I just don't see how we can keep writing it off as, "Bortles is learning, he's young, he's getting better." I'm looking at the whole team and seeing that yeah, we're young, and in a perfect world Bortles would be the guy, but he's not. We don't have four years for another first-round pick to figure out if he's the guy or not. This is the type of team that you go out and find a solid veteran QB for, then let him ride the defense to a championship. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. Trent. Dilfer. If that isn't proof that a consistently mediocre QB that doesn't target his O-lineman's helmet could get this team to the Super Bowl, I don't know what is.

(10-07-2018, 11:32 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 11:29 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey guess what? Nobody gives two flying [BLEEP] about your opinion, which you keep trying to speak as if it's  gospel... Just shut up.

And nobody gives a flying [BLEEP] about your opinion either [BLEEP]. You’ll be defending Bortles all the way until the day he’s cut so go [BLEEP] yourself. Ignored list you go dickwad.

Nobody is defending Bortles moron, he played like [BLEEP]. 

The fact of the matter is that his OL couldn't pass protect to save their lives. Yet idiots like you think the QB does everything all on their own.

Yea, put me on your ignore list because you're an idiot and a child. Can't handle being called out on your stupid [BLEEP] so you gotta go block people and hide like a [BLEEP].

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(10-07-2018, 11:33 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]When your LT is pulled to be replaced by a back-up guard you have an o-line problem (unless he was hurt, I missed the game)

Wells went out because of an Groin injury, but the fact still remains... We have an O-Line problem.

(10-07-2018, 11:36 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-07-2018, 10:23 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]Amen brother. Today a QB with 4 NFL starts completely outplayed our 5th year starter against a way better defense. I’m sick of seeing balls thrown in the dirt and 3 feet behind receivers. You never know which QB in Bortles is going to show up from week to week. It’s year 5 and he’s supposedly the healthiest he’s ever been, and nothing has changed. It’s time for this staff to start preparing this team for life after Bortles.

Don't underplay Mahomes by dismissing him as just a QB with four starts. He's special. I don't buy into the "Brett Favre" stuff because that's what they say about every young QB that strings together a few good games and can run with it, but there's no doubt that he is special.

I'm tired of not knowing which QB will show up on a weekly basis: good Blake, good-enough Blake or bad Blake? Put Alex Smith, unremarkable limp-armed game-managing Alex Smith on this team and we're 4-1, maybe even 5-0. If I had to choose between Alex Smith and Ronnie Harrison with that third-round pick, I mean, I think Ronnie's got a great future ahead of him and I'm glad he's on board, but I'd take Smith 10 times out of 10.

I just don't see how we can keep writing it off as, "Bortles is learning, he's young, he's getting better." I'm looking at the whole team and seeing that yeah, we're young, and in a perfect world Bortles would be the guy, but he's not. We don't have four years for another first-round pick to figure out if he's the guy or not. This is the type of team that you go out and find a solid veteran QB for, then let him ride the defense to a championship. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. Trent. Dilfer. If that isn't proof that a consistently mediocre QB that doesn't target his O-lineman's helmet could get this team to the Super Bowl, I don't know what is.

Great post. And you’re right, Mahomes is special and is probably going to be the league MVP if continues to play at the level he’s playing at right now.

Blake on the other hand is a lost cause. When he’s on he’s great. When he’s not (which is the case more often than not) he’s terrible. He’s physically and mentally tough, but lacks the mechanics and football IQ to be a consistent winner. 71 ints and a .377 winning percentage as a stater is horrible. Unfortunately we passed up our chance at both Cousins and Smith this offseason and I’m not sure if there will be another group of quality veterans available in the coming offseason. Quite a quandary this team is currently in.

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