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Well, Phillip Heilman asked Marrone:
Marrone on considering QB change to spark offense: "I think it's hard to say it's the quarterback when it's everybody, including the coaches, including myself. That's how I feel when I was watching that game."
(10-14-2018, 09:34 PM)irontrooper83 Wrote: [ -> ]Well, Phillip Heilman asked Marrone:
Marrone on considering QB change to spark offense: "I think it's hard to say it's the quarterback when it's everybody, including the coaches, including myself. That's how I feel when I was watching that game."
And he's 100% correct in his statements.
Yeah I'm still not quite there yet. Blake is done here for sure. I don't think anyone can truly believe the dude can even play average for us over a season. Kessler is the backup for a reason, until Blake is chiefs game bad for several games or gets hurt, hes the qb.
This isn't the week to be saying this to be honest. This was probably Blake's third best game of the year. Which is sad yes, but also means we can probably wait not too much longer before we'd have better ammo to call for Kessler.
(10-15-2018, 04:51 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't the week to be saying this to be honest. This was probably Blake's third best game of the year. Which is sad yes, but also means we can probably wait not too much longer before we'd have better ammo to call for Kessler.
Admits Bortles wasn't the problem... Still blames him.. Comedy at it's best.
We threw what? 7 passes in the first half and then had to play catchup? Hard to blame that on the QB.
Ahhhhh man, remember when we wiped the floor with the Pats like a month ago? Good times, good times
I was so disappointed in the passing game yesterday. I was counting on some FF points from Garbage Time Blake. Bad day when you lose and can't even get some garbage stats too.
The difference I have seen between Bortles and Kessler is decisiveness. Kessler goes through his progressions then let's it rip. Blake appears hesitant. This hesitation costs him time in the pocket that he doesn't have. Frankly, with this OL I don't think any QB is going to be effective.
My issue with Blake is that he appears to be hell bent on 1 specific receiver before the ball is even snapped. Stares the receiver down the whole route, and throws it to him whether he's open or in triple coverage. It works sometimes, and works even better when you have a receiver that specializes in 50/50 balls and highpointing the ball (ARob). But we don't have that. And that makes the pass attempts somewhat futile.
(10-15-2018, 11:24 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]My issue with Blake is that he appears to be hell bent on 1 specific receiver before the ball is even snapped. ...
This is indeed an issue. He gets better about it when he has time, but when he knows he's getting pressured he pre-ordains his target before the ball is snapped. Leaves open guys untargeted that way frequently - and forces throws into coverage.
you run for 6 or 7 yards on first down. knowing you have a weak line you dorp back and qb has to scamble gets sacked. so on 3rd you dont run you do teh same stupid think u did on second down. doesnt matter who is at QB you wont win doing things that dont work.
yeldon was running fine and they stopped running it.
(10-15-2018, 11:17 AM)Rockman1966 Wrote: [ -> ]The difference I have seen between Bortles and Kessler is decisiveness. Kessler goes through his progressions then let's it rip. Blake appears hesitant. This hesitation costs him time in the pocket that he doesn't have. Frankly, with this OL I don't think any QB is going to be effective.
That couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Kessler was facing guys who are hoping to get a call from some team today and wasn't facing starting defenses, right?
Kessler isn't a viable option to replace a healthy Bortles. Bortles either gets better, or he doesn't. Kessler isn't the solution.
(10-15-2018, 12:33 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]you run for 6 or 7 yards on first down. knowing you have a weak line you dorp back and qb has to scamble gets sacked. so on 3rd you dont run you do teh same stupid think u did on second down. doesnt matter who is at QB you wont win doing things that dont work.
yeldon was running fine and they stopped running it.
This is true.
Run for 7, 2nd and short pass?
Nah... just run and run some more....
That's what is going to open up the pass game and get that pass rush to slow down.
Dallas' DL is pretty dang good (as well as our OL suckin , 3rd string LT, overpriced G who aint earning his pay, And a RT that we held on to one season too long)
(10-15-2018, 01:53 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2018, 11:17 AM)Rockman1966 Wrote: [ -> ]The difference I have seen between Bortles and Kessler is decisiveness. Kessler goes through his progressions then let's it rip. Blake appears hesitant. This hesitation costs him time in the pocket that he doesn't have. Frankly, with this OL I don't think any QB is going to be effective.
That couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Kessler was facing guys who are hoping to get a call from some team today and wasn't facing starting defenses, right?
Kessler isn't a viable option to replace a healthy Bortles. Bortles either gets better, or he doesn't. Kessler isn't the solution.
That's all *we've* seen, but Kessler has a half a season sample size starting for a worse Browns team as a rookie and he held his own. There's no authority in an argument behind anyone flatly saying he isn't the solution. There is a not big but not super small sample size of Kessler being a fairly competent QB. And who knows maybe he has gotten better or more mature of the last couple of years.
(10-15-2018, 02:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2018, 01:53 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]That couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Kessler was facing guys who are hoping to get a call from some team today and wasn't facing starting defenses, right?
Kessler isn't a viable option to replace a healthy Bortles. Bortles either gets better, or he doesn't. Kessler isn't the solution.
That's all *we've* seen, but Kessler has a half a season sample size starting for a worse Browns team as a rookie and he held his own. There's no authority in an argument behind anyone flatly saying he isn't the solution. There is a not big but not super small sample size of Kessler being a fairly competent QB. And who knows maybe he has gotten better or more mature of the last couple of years.
The people who know exactly where he's at in his development don't seem too interested in making a change at the position. That speaks volumes considering the way Bortles has been playing this year.
(10-15-2018, 02:59 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2018, 02:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]That's all *we've* seen, but Kessler has a half a season sample size starting for a worse Browns team as a rookie and he held his own. There's no authority in an argument behind anyone flatly saying he isn't the solution. There is a not big but not super small sample size of Kessler being a fairly competent QB. And who knows maybe he has gotten better or more mature of the last couple of years.
The people who know exactly where he's at in his development don't seem too interested in making a change at the position. That speaks volumes considering the way Bortles has been playing this year.
To be fair, you don't just swap QBs mid season all willy nilly. Once Bortles sits, you have to be ready to commit to that decision. There's a possibility that Kessler is a lot better than Bortles at this point, and the coaching staff isn't ready to shake up the whole team. I'm not saying it's likely, but to say he's not starting is evidence that he's a worse option isn't necessarily the best case to make.
Fact of the matter is, if you sit Bortles and start Kessler and STILL lose games, it's going to look worse on the coaching staff than losing games with Bortles.
(10-15-2018, 02:59 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]The people who know exactly where he's at in his development don't seem too interested in making a change at the position. That speaks volumes considering the way Bortles has been playing this year.
They aren't competing on the same level though. There are egos and reputations that will take a hit once the Bortles' era is finally over, and that's going to earn him (hell it's already earned him) a much longer leash than he deserves.
I bet that there is a very good chance that if you started with a completely clean slate in the FO/coaching/etc and the new regime had zero invested in either option there is at worst a coin flip about who would be the starting QB.
(10-15-2018, 02:59 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2018, 02:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]That's all *we've* seen, but Kessler has a half a season sample size starting for a worse Browns team as a rookie and he held his own. There's no authority in an argument behind anyone flatly saying he isn't the solution. There is a not big but not super small sample size of Kessler being a fairly competent QB. And who knows maybe he has gotten better or more mature of the last couple of years.
The people who know exactly where he's at in his development don't seem too interested in making a change at the position. That speaks volumes considering the way Bortles has been playing this year.
or....
They just gave Bortles a payday and are married to him right now. The Truth is I don't know is Kessler is an answer but I do know that he throws a much better football than Blake Bortles.
give it up on a new qb,nfl won't aloew jags a real qb until they have moved team to london. you should go to the home games while team is still in jacksonville
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