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(10-16-2018, 07:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Any QB is going to have issues behind this O-Line in its current state.

Kessler has a few qualities over Blake but he does compare unfavorably in velocity and mobility.  Those two things are likely keeping him on the bench for now.

Given how poorly the line played last week, they may actually need Kessler in his intended role soon enough despite Blake's toughness.

Velocity doesn’t matter if your ball is off target or you’re throwing into triple coverage like Blake.

I’m not in favor of putting Kessler in...... yet.

(10-16-2018, 07:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-16-2018, 07:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Any QB is going to have issues behind this O-Line in its current state.

Kessler has a few qualities over Blake but he does compare unfavorably in velocity and mobility.  Those two things are likely keeping him on the bench for now.

Given how poorly the line played last week, they may actually need Kessler in his intended role soon enough despite Blake's toughness.

Velocity doesn’t matter if your ball is off target or you’re throwing into triple coverage like Blake.

I’m not in favor of putting Kessler in...... yet.

I wasn't trying to begin a discourse on the merits of velocity for an NFL QB, but rather simply listing the things Blake has that may be better than Kessler right now. He has better velocity. 

Certainly the mobility is a greater asset than the velocity given the Jags current state, but it's a factor as well. There are downfield throws I wouldn't trust Kessler to make because of it, but he's not really going to have time to attempt those right now anyway.

I was also implying I'd hold Kessler out until he's actually needed to replace an injured starter. His intended role.

(10-15-2018, 03:23 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2018, 02:59 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]The people who know exactly where he's at in his development don't seem too interested in making a change at the position.  That speaks volumes considering the way Bortles has been playing this year.

To be fair, you don't just swap QBs mid season all willy nilly. Once Bortles sits, you have to be ready to commit to that decision. There's a possibility that Kessler is a lot better than Bortles at this point, and the coaching staff isn't ready to shake up the whole team. I'm not saying it's likely, but to say he's not starting is evidence that he's a worse option isn't necessarily the best case to make.

Fact of the matter is, if you sit Bortles and start Kessler and STILL lose games, it's going to look worse on the coaching staff than losing games with Bortles.

There's a possibility that unicorns exist too.  

It's okay to accept the reality that Kessler is in the position he is because he's just not a starter, and the only opportunity he'll get to take snaps in a game that matters is if Bortles is incapacitated.  He's not going to get a whiff of the field if Bortles is healthy.

No but Sam Bradford can.

(10-16-2018, 09:57 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-15-2018, 03:23 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, you don't just swap QBs mid season all willy nilly. Once Bortles sits, you have to be ready to commit to that decision. There's a possibility that Kessler is a lot better than Bortles at this point, and the coaching staff isn't ready to shake up the whole team. I'm not saying it's likely, but to say he's not starting is evidence that he's a worse option isn't necessarily the best case to make.

Fact of the matter is, if you sit Bortles and start Kessler and STILL lose games, it's going to look worse on the coaching staff than losing games with Bortles.

There's a possibility that unicorns exist too.  

It's okay to accept the reality that Kessler is in the position he is because he's just not a starter, and the only opportunity he'll get to take snaps in a game that matters is if Bortles is incapacitated.  He's not going to get a whiff of the field if Bortles is healthy.

I agree he's not a starter... but only because he's listed as the No.2 QB on the depth chart.

Fact of the matter is that all we can do is speculate until he's out there. Every great QB there's ever been in this game has sat behind a QB at some point. I'm not insinuating that Kessler is the next GOAT but to say he's the backup because he's trash is just as much as a leap than to say that he could possibly be better than Bortles on this team...

(10-16-2018, 10:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]No but Sam Bradford can.

A huge downside is Sam Bradford's history of injuries and lack of mobility probably will come into play quickly if he is playing for the Jaguars moving forward in the 2018 season.  Bradford and the Jaguars being down to the # 3 LT option seems like a problematic combination.

(10-16-2018, 10:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]No but Sam Bradford can.

Lol, but he couldn't with Fitzgerald, Kirk, and David Johnson?  Hahaha

(10-16-2018, 12:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-16-2018, 10:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]No but Sam Bradford can.

Lol, but he couldn't with Fitzgerald, Kirk, and David Johnson?  Hahaha

Not a huge Bradford fan but do you even know what the hell is going on in Arizona right now? McCoy is almost as bad as Bradley is at utilizing his players in meaningful ways. They don't even know how to use David Johnson right.... Bradford never stood a chance at Arizona with that coaching staff.

(10-16-2018, 12:55 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-16-2018, 12:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, but he couldn't with Fitzgerald, Kirk, and David Johnson?  Hahaha

Not a huge Bradford fan but do you even know what the hell is going on in Arizona right now? McCoy is almost as bad as Bradley is at utilizing his players in meaningful ways. They don't even know how to use David Johnson right.... Bradford never stood a chance at Arizona with that coaching staff.

Larry Fitzgerald's father ( long time sports media person in Minnesota ) made comments very much along the lines of what you mentioned after the Vikings victory over the Cardinals.

Bradford is better than Kessler and Bortles.

Are we really gonna waste all this talent at the hands of Blake Bortles? It will be another decade before we’re good again.

I think if we lose the next 2 then a move needs to be made.

(10-16-2018, 12:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-16-2018, 10:39 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]No but Sam Bradford can.

Lol, but he couldn't with Fitzgerald, Kirk, and David Johnson?  Hahaha

Exactly right.  Fragile, immobile Bradford would last about one half.  And he couldn't keep his starting job in his last how many stops?  Please.

There's no trade to be made for a qb who is actually better than Blake.  Period.  Even if someone believes Bridgewater is better, the Saints aren't trading him.

We have who we have.  He needs to get better.  And the game plan and playcalling needs to get better.

I’d still take Bradford over Bortles.

At this point, I hope we cut Blake next year and save the 4,5 Million (even with 16,5 in dead money). But at least that chapter would finally [BLEEP] end. Kessler + Rookie cant be that much worse than what Bortles is producing at the moment and maybe we can even open up the playbook and have some more elaborate pass plays with a different QB that can throw the damn football. Plus we need every penny to extend Ramsey and Jack.

Well this thread got answered. He failed miserably when his chance was given. Imagine that. Even with the natural spark that will occur given the change at the position it led to 7 lousy points. Kessler sucks.

(10-22-2018, 07:39 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Well this thread got answered. He failed miserably when his chance was given. Imagine that. Even with the natural spark that will occur given the change at the position it led to 7 lousy points. Kessler sucks.

Failed miserably?

Well he still played better than Blake so there’s that.

(10-22-2018, 07:48 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2018, 07:39 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Well this thread got answered. He failed miserably when his chance was given. Imagine that. Even with the natural spark that will occur given the change at the position it led to 7 lousy points. Kessler sucks.

Failed miserably?

Well he still played better than Blake so there’s that.

Garbage time, remember that cry?

It is obvious that Blake is not the future QB for this team. I have supported him and believed this was the year he would secure his position for the future. Fact is, he has continued to lack any consistency in his playing and the writing is no the wall he is not the answer for this team at QB. Kessler should be given the chance to play if only to provide the coach the opportunity to ensure he is capable of winning and is a viable backup. He outplayed Blake in the second half and if all the best player will play means anything then Kessler should start next week. Starting Kessler will confirm that Marrone means what he says and the message will be clear to all the players that your only a starter if you are the best player at your position. Is Kessler the answer no one really knows until he is given the chance to succeed or fail in the starting position. To win in this league you need to score 20 or more points and Blake is not even near that number so why would you not give Kessler a chance? We can't afford to lose next week or this season is almost over. I would rather lose trying to win then hoping your quarterback has a good week when he has been horrible far more than good. It is not all Blakes fault with all the injuries on the team but a fifth-year Quarterback has to compensate for problem not add to it.

There really is no downside to starting Kessler. The offense has produced zero points in the 1st half of the last 3 games.

(10-22-2018, 10:20 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]There really is no downside to starting Kessler. The offense has produced zero points in the 1st half of the last 3 games.

I actually agree; I think this season was already lost a few weeks ago and Bortles can't do anything to make it better.