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Quote:Haha exactly, I like Dave as much as anyone on this board but people are acting as if he's built an early 90's Cowboy's-esque roster

Nope. Haven't seen people act like that.

 

There is a lot of talent on this team. You can't have pro bowl players at every position. The Pats have a bad Oline too.... maybe they should fire their GM?

 

It's coaching that helps and this team is very very poorly coached at a lot of positions. 

Lol our center and right guard are pro bowl caliber. There really isn't a "bad" player on the line.

Anyone think Marrone is a drunk and doesn't care?

 

 

I think so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Jeff

Quote:Anyone think Marrone is a drunk and doesn't care?

 

 

I think so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Jeff

 

Prolly explains Prosser's career, too TBH.

Chris Simms.


The same guy who doesn't consider Tom Brady to be a top 5 QB.

Quote:Like Michael Jordan, terrible outside shooter at first then became decent later in his career. Bortles will be great in year 2020, we must have patience.

Except MJs stroke was never broken to begin with.. Like Bortles' "stroke"

Quote:I wouldn't give a high 1st like it looks like we will have, but if we could give a 2nd and something else in a package that gets us Jimmy G and McDaniels...that's awfully enticing.

McDaniels and Jimmy G enticing?

Experiment?

This dude is desperate for attention. Taking the skip bayless approach.

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The upside argument basically centres around the fact that when Bortles looks good. He looks like a guy, that with a few tweaks, could be great. Teddy to me looks like he'll never be more than a Matt Ryan. Good, solid, not great, will need a great team around him if he's ever going to win anything.

 

We could do a lot worse than Matty Ice.  And we have since Brunell left town.

Bortles was a top 15-20 QB last year as a Sophomore. He had zero run game and a porous OL with a bottom 3 defense.

 

He has taken a step back this year no doubt, but it's clear the playcalling/coaching along with having zero run game is affecting him and his mechanics have taken a step backwards. It's correctable, but like I said we probably won't see it this year with the coaching under contract unless they miraculously do something right.

Quote:Lol our center and right guard are pro bowl caliber. There really isn't a "bad" player on the line.

Lol are you serious.  We have 113 yards rushing through 3 games.  It will be game 7 before we tie APs single game record of 296 yards.  This oline as a unit is the worst in the NFL by far.

How do we know his mechanics are "correctable"?


Simply asserting they are correctable and saying he can fix himself doesn't mean anything.

Quote:How do we know his mechanics are "correctable"?


Simply asserting they are correctable and saying he can fix himself doesn't mean anything.

Because he showed massive improvement last year. If he can xontinue doing what he did last year with a competent running game and defense that we have now we're a playoff team with a coaching staff that isnt historically the worst ever.

Quote:If he can xontinue doing what he did last year 

This has been my biggest point of disagreement with many people on here. Too many people think what he was last year was good enough if the rest of the team had just been better around him.

 

I think the truth is that he needs to take a big step forward from what he was last year before we can seriously contend for anything. I think you agree with that too since you said in the post before that he was 15-20 QB range after last year, which I think is a fair ranking. I think you would also agree a QB in the 15-20 range isn't going to lead a team to any kind of legitimate contention. 

Quote:This has been my biggest point of disagreement with many people on here. Too many people think what he was last year was good enough if the rest of the team had just been better around him.

 

I think the truth is that he needs to take a big step forward from what he was last year before we can seriously contend for anything. I think you agree with that too since you said in the post before that he was 15-20 QB range after last year, which I think is a fair ranking. I think you would also agree a QB in the 15-20 range isn't going to lead a team to any kind of legitimate contention. 

 

A QB in the range of 15-20 by rank in what regard? Completions? 3rd down completions? Yardage? Touchdowns? Interceptions? Just need more clarification there. Because by all accounts Denver got it done last year with a broken down Peyton Manning. Baltimore has done it with Trent Dilfer. We've made it to the play-offs with quarterbacks like Leftwich and Garrard. Alex Smith has appeared a few times as well. Eli Manning has won two superbowls with pedestrian regular season performances. Roethilsberger wasn't an all-star statistically the two years he won his superbowl. Just trying to understand what your point is exactly because I am having a hard time understanding it. There are many ways to win in this sport. I think if you consider Bortles numbers last year, had we had a competent defense and running game the turnovers would have went down and we would have finished better than we had. More touchdowns is good. You need that to win football games last time I checked.

 

He can succeed. In time. Provided we DO get better around him. Coaching needs to get better first and foremost. The lineman need to get it together. And this running game needs to get going. 113 yards rushing in three weeks is pathetic for any football team. That's all our trio of running backs have been able to muster since the start of this season. Just baffles me that so many lazy fans on here are just so quick to beat and bludgeon Bortles as if everything on this 0 - 3 start is completely on him. Just insane man.

Quote:I think if you consider Bortles numbers last year, had we had a competent defense and running game the turnovers would have went down and we would have finished better than we had. More touchdowns is good. You need that to win football games last time I checked.

 

 Just baffles me that so many lazy fans on here are just so quick to beat and bludgeon Bortles as if everything on this 0 - 3 start is completely on him. Just insane man.

I don't consider Bortles' numbers from last year. They mean pretty much nothing, except that he was able to inefficiently pile up stats while trailing. If we had all of the things that you wish he had surrounding him his numbers would have been pedestrian, as evidenced by his extremely average rate stats. 

 

Also, if you looked at my 'divvy up the blame pie' thread I started, I assigned 25% of the blame to Blake. I gave twice as much blame to the coaching staff. That is more than fair and not close to what you are accusing. 

 

If we are going to be contending we need Blake to not be 25% of the problem, we need him to be 25% of a "divvy up the credit pie" thread. AKA, not just back to where he was last year which I would say was more or less replacement level (this year obviously far below replacement level), but an equal jump forward. 

Quote:I don't consider Bortles' numbers from last year. They mean pretty much nothing, except that he was able to inefficiently pile up stats while trailing. If we had all of the things that you wish he had surrounding him his numbers would have been pedestrian, as evidenced by his extremely average rate stats. 

 

Also, if you looked at my 'divvy up the blame pie' thread I started, I assigned 25% of the blame to Blake. I gave twice as much blame to the coaching staff. That is more than fair and not close to what you are accusing. 

 

If we are going to be contending we need Blake to not be 25% of the problem, we need him to be 25% of a "divvy up the credit pie" thread. AKA, not just back to where he was last year which I would say was more or less replacement level (this year obviously far below replacement level), but an equal jump forward. 

 

Settle down. We don't know what his stats would have been last year with a competent running game and defense. Maybe his yardage dips a bit but the touchdowns may have only taken a slight dent. Which is fine by me. I'll take wins over statistics all day any day. I didn't see your thread. I don't follow people around here like a lost puppy. LOL. But I'll take a look. And I meant "fans" as a generalization. Not a personal jab at you.

 

My hope is that we see that 50% of blame from the coaching staff from your pie get eaten up and replaced by competent coaching and play calling instead. I just think so far we're failing. Caldwell invested a very high 2ND RD pick on Yeldon a year ago. He forked over some more fat loot this off-season to Ivory. The lineman still seem to be off balance. But I think his intent was to give this team a balanced running attack. So Bortles would have less pressure to carry this offense.

 

The defense has flashed in two games at home. I think they will only continue to grow and get better now. I think other than Andrew Luck we don't really see many more scary QB's down the pipeline. So we should have a realistic shot at winning some games this year.

KYJaggy is right. Even in bottles plays like last year, most of the time in most divisions, we miss the playoffs.


He needs to improve upon last year's performance, not just get back to it.

Quote:We're leaving big plays and points on the field, our skill positions are loaded with dynamic players. Check out the third play in this article http://bigbored.com/just-how-bad-is-blake-bortles/, if Blake throws an accurate ball to the middle part of the field it's a long TD to Marqise Lee, if you watch the All-22 you'll notice guys running open all the time, Blake doesn't find them because he locks on to his primary read, and forces the ball. The play against Green Bay at the end of the game comes to mind, he forces the ball to Rashad Greene (who was held) but Allen Hurns was wide open, this QB misses rudimentary reads and is inaccurate on rudimentary passes. If Tom Brady (or any competent QB) played in this offense we'd drop 27-30 every week!

 

That link sure is a big hard slap in the face and should knock the teal colored glasses off just about anybody that is wearing them, if they dare to read it.

 

Sometimes the truth hurts and the truth is that the Jaguars offensive troubles just might extend beyond their awful head coach.

 

I know BB5 will never be the most accurate QB, but after watching these past few games makes me wonder, how much more accurate can BB5 really become? Surely he can improve it, but realistically, how much more accurate can he really become?

 

I have also noticed that he wasn't as natural a thrower as other QBs around the league are. His windup just takes more time, slows the throwing process down and just looks awkward at times and his throwing off the back foot sure doesn't help his cause.

 

The lack of a running game and a below average offensive line, where he has to scramble most of the time, really hurts his development as a young QB trying to get better.