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If he continues to have a awful year then yeah next year they'd probably bring in competition and it'd be his last shot. I still think he can turn it around. He's gonna have to work at his mechanics all offseason year round until its natural and it can be done.

 

Quote:i haven't seen him hit almost anybody in stride since he's been here

 

He hit that td pass to Julius just this year in stride.

Sorry guys, you can blame Gus/coaching on a lot of things...but this Blake regression is 100% on him. 

 

Can anyone name one trait that Blake can hang his hat on? He doesn't have accuracy, he doesn't have ball placement, he doesn't have timing, he doesn't have a strong arm, he doesn't have good decision making, he doesn't have good mechanics.

 

Literally the only two things I can think of is that he is athletic for a guy his size (but not overly athletic overall), and he appears to be quite durable. That doesn't make for anything close to a franchise QB. 

The absolute earliest Bortles gets canned is October 2017. Henne isn't an upgrade, even with Blake playing like crap, Allen isn't ready and Blake isn't playing badly enough to warrant being pulled for a 6th round rookie and there's nobody on the street who can help.

 

Best/worst case scenario for Bortles being dropped, depending on how you see it:

 

Blake plays crap all year.

A new coaching and maybe FO staff comes in.

We draft a new QB somewhere before the 4th round.

Obviously any new coach is going to say they back Blake, but in reality his leash will be super short and if Blake plays poorly to start the season, the new coach gives 'his guy' a shot.

 

There simply isn't the option to pull Blake before then.

Quote:Sorry guys, you can blame Gus/coaching on a lot of things...but this Blake regression is 100% on him. 

 

Can anyone name one trait that Blake can hang his hat on? He doesn't have accuracy, he doesn't have ball placement, he doesn't have timing, he doesn't have a strong arm, he doesn't have good decision making, he doesn't have good mechanics.

 

Literally the only two things I can think of is that he is athletic for a guy his size (but not overly athletic overall), and he appears to be quite durable. That doesn't make for anything close to a franchise QB. 

 

Really?

 

When Blake's mechanics are good, he actually has a pretty strong arm. His big problem is that his mechanics are absolutely awful right now.

Quote:Really?

 

When Blake's mechanics are good, he actually has a pretty strong arm. His big problem is that his mechanics are absolutely awful right now.

Last year it was pretty strong in that if the accuracy/timing/mechanics/decision making were on point it was plenty good enough, but it's never been strong to the point that it is what you build around.

Quote:Last year it was pretty strong in that if the accuracy/timing/mechanics/decision making were on point it was plenty good enough, but it's never been strong to the point that it is what you build around.

 

From a talent point of view, it looks like Bridgewater would have been the better pick.  Bortles is a good guy...character, work ethic, etc.  But hindsight says it should have been Teddy.

Hindsight is 20/20, but it's pretty clear that the best QB out of that draft class was Derek Carr.


Khalil Mack in the first round would've been just fine as well.

Quote:From a talent point of view, it looks like Bridgewater would have been the better pick.  Bortles is a good guy...character, work ethic, etc.  But hindsight says it should have been Teddy.

 

Bortles upside > Teddy's even after 2 crappy performances.

Quote:Bortles upside > Teddy's even after 2 crappy performances.

 

Agreed. Bridge has been supported by a far superior defense. He's had either the number one or second best running back in the NFL behind him to make his life easier. He hasn't really shown any ability in elevating that offense to overcome any leads. He could honestly be out of a job if Bradford pans out for the rest of the year. If they flop. It's possible Zimmer looks at a QB like Watson at some point in the 1st RD. 

Quote:Bortles upside > Teddy's even after 2 crappy performances.

What makes you think this, honest question. Teddy has better decision making, better mechanics, better accuracy, better timing, and equal athleticism and arm strength. Other than durability I can't see any checks in Blake's column. 

 

I understand thinking this during draft evaluations, everyone would have said Blake has higher upside, but from what we have seen in 2.5 years since then I don't see how it is still a defensible position. 

I've said it before Bortles play is like that backup you see flashes and want to take over for the starter, then when he becomes the starter you want him as your backup

Quote:What makes you think this, honest question. Teddy has better decision making, better mechanics, better accuracy, better timing, and equal athleticism and arm strength. Other than durability I can't see any checks in Blake's column. 

 

I understand thinking this during draft evaluations, everyone would have said Blake has higher upside, but from what we have seen in 2.5 years since then I don't see how it is still a defensible position. 

 

I'd say Bortles is the better athlete. Equally as fast yet way bigger and stronger. Arm strength, meh, both have enough without having cannons. I'd say in terms of decsision making that as players, they're two sides of the same coin. Bortles is too reckless, Bridgewater is too conservative. Although I'd also add, I don't think that relates to upside as its something all QBs have to learn at the NFL level. Timing and accuracy, yeah, stats say Bridgewater, but he also doesn't try to do half of what Blake does and has much better support around him.

 

The upside argument basically centres around the fact that when Bortles looks good. He looks like a guy, that with a few tweaks, could be great. Teddy to me looks like he'll never be more than a Matt Ryan. Good, solid, not great, will need a great team around him if he's ever going to win anything.

Teddy would have been broken like a twig last year on this team.

Quote:Teddy would have been broken like a twig last year on this team.

 

Exactly. He puts up pedestrian numbers now in Minnesota despite having an exceptional running game and a much better offensive line than we do for certain. 

Quote:Exactly. He puts up pedestrian numbers now in Minnesota despite having an exceptional running game and a much better offensive line than we do for certain. 

 

Not to mention a defense who hasn't traditionally allowed him to be down two scores before he can even blink.

 

I don't think the amount of pressure Bortles has been under to literally carry this team at such a young age can be overstated. Virtually no one is overlooking nor dismissing the flaws in his game...there is much to talk about here. My take is still that the majority of them are in his head and can be corrected. However, any attempt to compare him to his peers (Bridgewater or Carr), who are in vastly superior situations defensively, with coaching, along the offensive line and/or running game seem pretty disingenuous to me.

 

He's shown us enough flashes of what he's capable of when he's on point that one would think he would have earned a little more patience from onlookers. For perspective, outside of preseason, I don't ever recall seeing anything even remotely as impressive from his two immediate predecessors.

Quote:Blake has 3 first quarter TDs and 6 first quarter INTs in his 33 career starts.

 

He has also thrown 3 career TDs while leading, 4 TDs while tied, and an insane 44 INTs while trailing. 

 

Y'all can debate what 'garbage time' is and how many of his stats would fall into that category, but the truth is that in Blake's entire career he has not played even one complete game where he gave the team the lead and continued through with a solid wire to wire victory.

 


Those stats say it all. He does nothing in the 1st quarter. He gets his TD and also his INTs usually in the 4th quarter when trailing. So why so bad in the 1st half? Is it Blake or the play calling or both?  

Why is Chris Simms on any sport show? How are you going to get someone who was absolutely garbage in the NFL to tell someone else that they are garbage? Blake surpassed is sad career already.. by far...

Quote:Sorry guys, you can blame Gus/coaching on a lot of things...but this Blake regression is 100% on him. 
 
Can anyone name one trait that Blake can hang his hat on? He doesn't have accuracy, he doesn't have ball placement, he doesn't have timing, he doesn't have a strong arm, he doesn't have good decision making, he doesn't have good mechanics.
 
Literally the only two things I can think of is that he is athletic for a guy his size (but not overly athletic overall), and he appears to be quite durable. That doesn't make for anything close to a franchise QB.

but, but, but, coming out of college scouts compared him to big ben, some even compare Andrew luck. How the Luck comparison came about, I have no clue.

I knew it all along...we are the suck.

 

Welp.

Quote:but, but, but, coming out of college scouts compared him to big ben, some even compare Andrew luck. How the Luck comparison came about, I have no clue.

 

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