Couple of reasons. For starters, the guy is a former cop and has connections with the prosecutors. 2 DA's had to recuse themselves from the trial. I imagine that slowed the process some, though I'm not sure exactly how long that takes per instance. I think the only reason these guys weren't detained originally is due to the father's ties to the force, which is more of product of bureaucracy than systemic racism. The current DA seems to be taking the investigation seriously. There's virtually no way these dudes aren't indicted.
Fact check that information, because I'm doing it from memory. Hopefully don't have the details wrong.
My question..
They had this video the whole time.
I want to know what happened at an institutional level that allowed inaction... and then a reversal only when the media gets hold of the video...
Was the first response correct? Was the second response guided by the public uproar?
If it's an institutional failure at either end it's a huge, huge problem.. and lots of people should be losing their jobs or even get indicted for mishandling this case.
On a personal level with absolutely no legal knowledge I think the shooting was clearly not justified.. but I don't know the "legal" definition of it so I'll let the authorities hash that part out.
(05-10-2020, 09:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2020, 09:05 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, pretty hard not to see this as a couple vigilantes. I pretty much share JJ's sentiments on this exactly. Wish people would lay off the racial narrative. Just like it's irrelevant that Ahmaud committed a crime, it's also irrelevant that this was motivated by race. If it could be proven that it was racially motivated, I am all about reversing that opinion.
Why do you think that took 2.5 months before they were charged or arrested?
Because by every measure of Georgia law there is a weak case. DA offices don’t like to lose and racially charged cases never have a clear “winner.” In this situation, the court of public outcry and opinion forced someones hand. When did a Grand Jury convene for this homicide charge? They didn’t which is suspect.
https://youtu.be/sjCzJyFKoqo
(05-11-2020, 08:32 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2020, 09:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you think that took 2.5 months before they were charged or arrested?
Because by every measure of Georgia law there is a weak case. DA offices don’t like to lose and racially charged cases never have a clear “winner.” In this situation, the court of public outcry and opinion forced someones hand. When did a Grand Jury convene for this homicide charge? They didn’t which is suspect.
https://youtu.be/sjCzJyFKoqo
Thank you for the video, it is excellent. But I don't expect the MSM to drop the "he was jogging" mantra anytime soon.
I also wonder about the 7-second video inside the garage. There's obviously more footage since it does not show Arbery leave the garage. Why would this video be edited and what was excluded?
"He was just out jogging"
![[Image: jogging.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/xdhVJtJG/jogging.jpg)
(05-11-2020, 09:19 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]"He was just out jogging"
What is so implausible about the idea that someone out for a walk or a jog would stop and look inside a house that was under construction? I do it myself.
(05-11-2020, 09:19 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]"He was just out jogging"
I've done the exact same thing numerous times throughout my life. Didn't expect I'd be followed and subsequently gunned down at a citizens' traffic stop shortly afterwards though.
(05-11-2020, 09:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2020, 09:19 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]"He was just out jogging"
What is so implausible about the idea that someone out for a walk or a jog would stop and look inside a house that was under construction? I do it myself.
Do u then run away when a neighbor confronts u outside?
Another reference to why I hate cases like this.
(05-11-2020, 09:42 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2020, 09:19 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]"He was just out jogging"
I've done the exact same thing numerous times throughout my life. Didn't expect I'd be followed and subsequently gunned down at a citizens' traffic stop shortly afterwards though.
Maybe you should rethink this desire to commit trespass.
(05-11-2020, 09:59 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2020, 09:42 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]I've done the exact same thing numerous times throughout my life. Didn't expect I'd be followed and subsequently gunned down at a citizens' traffic stop shortly afterwards though.
Maybe you should rethink this desire to commit trespass.
Simple trespassing equates to forgivable manslaughter (at best)/murder (at worst). Thanks, sheriff.
(05-11-2020, 08:32 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2020, 09:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you think that took 2.5 months before they were charged or arrested?
Because by every measure of Georgia law there is a weak case. DA offices don’t like to lose and racially charged cases never have a clear “winner.” In this situation, the court of public outcry and opinion forced someones hand. When did a Grand Jury convene for this homicide charge? They didn’t which is suspect.
https://youtu.be/sjCzJyFKoqo
Thank you for sharing that video. He sees it pretty much the same way that I do.
(05-11-2020, 09:49 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/RenataFCNews/status/...82277?s=19
- Home being renovated. A private residence with their personal effects inside. Felt the need to have cameras inside as well.
- Video is actually over 7-minutes long. Regardless, being inside the residence was illegal.
- Don't believe the McMichaels sought a vigilante-style either. Both parties escalated the situation unnecessarily. Certainly, two wrongs don't make a right.
I would expect their attorney to put out these types of comments. What I didn't expect was all this public judgement bias when it appears none of this has been before a Grand Jury for indictment. This D.A. office is really mucking up!
(05-11-2020, 10:07 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2020, 09:49 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/RenataFCNews/status/...82277?s=19
- Home being renovated. A private residence with their personal effects inside. Felt the need to have cameras inside as well.
- Video is actually over 7-minutes long. Regardless, being inside the residence was illegal.
- Don't believe the McMichaels sought a vigilante-style either. Both parties escalated the situation unnecessarily. Certainly, two wrongs don't make a right.
I would expect their attorney to put out these types of comments. What I didn't expect was all this public judgement bias when it appears none of this has been before a Grand Jury for indictment. This D.A. office is really mucking up!
I agree with everything you said save for the sentiments in bold.
(05-11-2020, 10:12 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2020, 10:07 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]- Home being renovated. A private residence with their personal effects inside. Felt the need to have cameras inside as well.
- Video is actually over 7-minutes long. Regardless, being inside the residence was illegal.
- Don't believe the McMichaels sought a vigilante-style either. Both parties escalated the situation unnecessarily. Certainly, two wrongs don't make a right.
I would expect their attorney to put out these types of comments. What I didn't expect was all this public judgement bias when it appears none of this has been before a Grand Jury for indictment. This D.A. office is really mucking up!
I agree with everything you said save for the sentiments in bold.
From your recent posts, it sounds like you believe trespass is no big deal and you should attack anyone who confronts you about it.
(05-11-2020, 10:29 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2020, 10:12 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with everything you said save for the sentiments in bold.
From your recent posts, it sounds like you believe trespass is no big deal and you should attack anyone who confronts you about it.
You got me pegged. I don't believe trespassing on a construction site is worthy of armed vigilantism.
Your perception of who attacked who is telling.
Even if that dude burned that friggin house down it should have in no way ended in his death. Punishment must occur. The level of punishment will be determined by the courts. It won't be harsh enough for some and way to harsh for others. There is simply no way from what I can see that dude should have died that day.
(05-10-2020, 11:34 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Based on Georgia law and what we know so far, this will fall under involuntary manslaughter with a maximum 10-year sentence. There is not enough to make this voluntary (so far) and the DA would risk letting some folks walk free overplaying their hand based on the court of public opinion and outcry.
How is blowing a hole in someone's chest "involuntary"?
Jethro and Craklins decided they were the law so they armed up and went rolling out after a guy who was running away instead of calling the cops as they should've. To protect all of our rights to self-defense and to bear arms cases like these MUST see the perpetrators investigated, charged, and put on trial to publicly defend their actions. Then they need to go to jail for their recklessness that resulted in that man's death.
(05-11-2020, 10:29 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2020, 10:12 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with everything you said save for the sentiments in bold.
From your recent posts, it sounds like you believe trespass is no big deal and you should attack anyone who confronts you about it.
Trespass is not a life and death matter to be decided by two yokels and their Mossberg against a man running away.