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(10-11-2020, 03:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Still 11 games left.  No reason to make a decision right now on him.  I'll wait to see how he plays in these last 11 and then make a decision

9-7?

(10-11-2020, 04:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2020, 03:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Still 11 games left.  No reason to make a decision right now on him.  I'll wait to see how he plays in these last 11 and then make a decision

9-7?

12-4

(10-11-2020, 04:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2020, 04:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]9-7?

12-4

Good on you.

Some people act like it's a personal offense to them just because Minshew is being called for what he is - a 6th round draft choice.

It's not a knock on him - he's just serviceable at best and every game that passes by continues to justify that.

I was incredibly high on his initial production but when he needed to make the throws that we desperately needed from him, he just fails to deliver.

Love the guy as a person and the grit he brings though, but lets not repeat the same mistakes in the past by passing up on a QB just because of the "possibility" of Minshew becoming better than average at best.

It’s over. We need someone much better

Yeah, lets draft another QB with our first pick... Especially one who doesn't perform as good as this one with better talent around them. Quit it already. QB is not the issue. Stability and growth are. Our team needs to grow together and learn. We have a 6th round draft pick who is performing just fine. Would we rather have Haskins??? NO. Jones???? NO. Murray??? Maybe... Lock??? No... We can't shuffle QB's every year and think we are going to improve. Lets stick with Minshew... BUILD around him (i.e. line, etc.). Too many people making knee jerk reactions.

OK, quick question.

If we could get Larewnce, theres no way Marrone could still be here so do you bring in a HC who wants Lawrence or a HC and give him Lawrence?

(10-11-2020, 04:10 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Some people act like it's a personal offense to them just because Minshew is being called for what he is - a 6th round draft choice.

It's not a knock on him - he's just serviceable at best and every game that passes by continues to justify that.

I was incredibly high on his initial production but when he needed to make the throws that we desperately needed from him, he just fails to deliver.

Love the guy as a person and the grit he brings though, but lets not repeat the same mistakes in the past by passing up on a QB just because of the "possibility" of Minshew becoming better than average at best.

I understand what you are saying enigma... I am not taking it personal.  What I do not understand is our hopes of bringing in a fresh new 1st year QB with our first pick (i.e. Gabbert, Bortles, Lefty) and then expecting them to save a franchise that has many gaps need filled before QB.  I just don't believe that the QB1 currently is as drastic need of a change as many think.

I am not sure yet, dude has very little help.

Anyway, if we can draft Lawrence or any other QB who is possibly a franchise QB you take him.

I think Minshew is still on the team next year. We need talent, and he has it. He may not be elite, but no reason to not have a vet to allow the rookie to develop (if we end up going that way). Minshew is a team first guy. I think he could be a long term backup for us, even if he does not end up being the guy. Even better, we somehow start winning some games (seems like a major long-shot).

(10-11-2020, 04:18 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I think Minshew is still on the team next year. We need talent, and he has it. He may not be elite, but no reason to not have a vet to allow the rookie to develop (if we end up going that way). Minshew is a team first guy. I think he could be a long term backup for us, even if he does not end up being the guy. Even better, we somehow start winning some games (seems like a major long-shot).

He wont be a long term backup here. Someone else will give him a shot if we dont.

(10-11-2020, 04:17 PM)JaguarWC Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2020, 04:10 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Some people act like it's a personal offense to them just because Minshew is being called for what he is - a 6th round draft choice.

It's not a knock on him - he's just serviceable at best and every game that passes by continues to justify that.

I was incredibly high on his initial production but when he needed to make the throws that we desperately needed from him, he just fails to deliver.

Love the guy as a person and the grit he brings though, but lets not repeat the same mistakes in the past by passing up on a QB just because of the "possibility" of Minshew becoming better than average at best.

I understand what you are saying enigma... I am not taking it personal.  What I do not understand is our hopes of bringing in a fresh new 1st year QB with our first pick (i.e. Gabbert, Bortles, Lefty) and then expecting them to save a franchise that has many gaps need filled before QB.  I just don't believe that the QB1 currently is as drastic need of a change as many think.

I fully understand building the team because neglecting the other positions wouldn't be conducive to wins.

However, I believe that if we are in position to draft a player who can be that franchise QB and shift the tides in our favor - then we must draft that player. If there is an offseason where we should go with a QB in the 1st, it's this year because of the prospects and the draft capital we have accumulated (to address other positions).

I want Minshew to succeed as much as everybody here, but I don't believe he is that game-breaking franchise QB. Like another poster mentioned, he has talent and I would love to see him here next year regardless of how our draft shapes up. He definitely possesses leadership and gaining more experience that will not only benefit the team in the short-term as a serviceable player but potentially impact our long-term success with his successor at QB.

Any QB we have or one we could draft would go down in flames with this head coach and his minions...
please don't draft another QB. Fix the other players and for God's sake
Fire Bologna Man!

It's easy to make the QB a scapegoat but Minshew would look much better in a team that can actually function on some level.

If we contaminate Fields or TLAW with Marrone...

BY GAWD... "JR VOICE"

(10-11-2020, 04:14 PM)JaguarWC Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, lets draft another QB with our first pick...  Especially one who doesn't perform as good as this one with better talent around them.  Quit it already. QB is not the issue.  Stability and growth are.  Our team needs to grow together and learn.  We have a 6th round draft pick who is performing just fine. Would we rather have Haskins??? NO.  Jones???? NO.  Murray???  Maybe...  Lock??? No...    We can't shuffle QB's every year and think we are going to improve.  Lets stick with Minshew... BUILD around him (i.e. line, etc.).  Too many people making knee jerk reactions.

You can have it both ways. You can start Minshew next year so there is not a drop off due to the rookie developing.. Hey, if Minshew develops into an elite talent next year with a possible elite talent on the bench, I would have a smile on my face. 

Minshew has joined a very elite club of people that have started as QB in the NFL. I don’t think many 6th rounders get that chance. He’s a lucky guy!

(10-11-2020, 04:12 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]It’s over. We need someone much better

yeah cuz I don't fix everything.. no quarterback can perform well with the team and coaching staff that we have

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(10-11-2020, 04:14 PM)JaguarWC Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, lets draft another QB with our first pick...  Especially one who doesn't perform as good as this one with better talent around them.  Quit it already. QB is not the issue.  Stability and growth are.  Our team needs to grow together and learn.  We have a 6th round draft pick who is performing just fine. Would we rather have Haskins??? NO.  Jones???? NO.  Murray???  Maybe...  Lock??? No...    We can't shuffle QB's every year and think we are going to improve.  Lets stick with Minshew... BUILD around him (i.e. line, etc.).  Too many people making knee jerk reactions.

exactly look at the list of the quarterbacks that went in the first round and how they're performing now on crappy teams... A lot of them first overall pick

(10-11-2020, 04:46 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2020, 04:12 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]It’s over. We need someone much better

yeah cuz I don't fix everything.. no quarterback can perform well with the team and coaching staff that we have

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Disagree.  O-line has been performing well (less so today, mind you), RB is decent, TE is decent, WR can improve.  But a better QB would have had us in this game.  Houston has a bad defense.  That sack-fumble in the fourth that resulted in 7 points for them was terrible.  Minshew missed a lot of plays today.  We need better.  He still has time to show us differently but, given the current information, we have to go in a different direction.

Here’s what I don’t understand. Most of the “issues” people have about Minshew and related to height/prematurely escaping the pocket/not throwing downfield. None of these issues are related to team talent. The receivers are decent.

(10-11-2020, 04:54 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2020, 04:46 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]yeah cuz I don't fix everything.. no quarterback can perform well with the team and coaching staff that we have

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Disagree.  O-line has been performing well (less so today, mind you), RB is decent, TE is decent, WR can improve.  But a better QB would have had us in this game.  Houston has a bad defense.  That sack-fumble in the fourth that resulted in 7 points for them was terrible.  Minshew missed a lot of plays today.  We need better.  He still has time to show us differently but, given the current information, we have to go in a different direction.

Don't forget the underthrow to Conley which caused him to come back to the ball and get tackled - which led to the fumble/missed points.

And that's just the easy one to point out.