10-04-2020, 09:57 PM
You guys are crazy. He made a couple of bad throws but he made several elite throws as well. I will keep saying it. He reminds me of Tony Romo. He’s got it. The team(especially the defense) has failed him
(10-04-2020, 09:35 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]In his 16th start in the NFL he throws over 350 yards, 2 TDs, 68% completion rate and a QR over 100.
We put up 429 yards of offense and scored 25 points. We had the lead at halftime.
We chose to receive after the coin toss so the Bengals get the ball first in the second half and they proceed to march right down the field for a TD. They follow that up by continuing to score on every single possession in the second half except for the victory formation final possession.
Minshew is the least of this team's problems.
(10-04-2020, 09:57 PM)PS9 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are crazy. He made a couple of bad throws but he made several elite throws as well. I will keep saying it. He reminds me of Tony Romo. He’s got it. The team(especially the defense) has failed him
(10-04-2020, 10:02 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 09:35 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]In his 16th start in the NFL he throws over 350 yards, 2 TDs, 68% completion rate and a QR over 100.
We put up 429 yards of offense and scored 25 points. We had the lead at halftime.
We chose to receive after the coin toss so the Bengals get the ball first in the second half and they proceed to march right down the field for a TD. They follow that up by continuing to score on every single possession in the second half except for the victory formation final possession.
Minshew is the least of this team's problems.
I agree with your statement. He is not the problem. But I have my doubts he is the long-term solution. This season is basically a rehearsal on tape for Minshew directed at the next GM-HC regime to decide if they want to use a Top 5 Draft pick on a QB.
(10-04-2020, 10:35 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew has been exposed I believe.
There are 3 types of QBs when pressured..
1. Those that see ghosts, lose their composure and throw mistake after mistake often leading to turnovers. Bortles..good example.
2. Those that over perceive the pressure, fail their reads, hold the ball too long causing the sack...Minshew
3. Franchise QB get the ball off quick and composed taking the hit but executing over and over.. Burrow
We have several rookie QBs and 2nd year QBs to compare Minshew against.
Tell me fellas you would rather have Minshew over the following right now:
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Not going into the QBs we passed on wasting time on Bortles. The above are just the QBs we passed on for Foles/Minshew.
I’m not saying a franchise QB will solve all of our problems (hello Bengals), but it certainly elevates the rest of the team.
(10-04-2020, 09:46 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 09:35 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]In his 16th start in the NFL he throws over 350 yards, 2 TDs, 68% completion rate and a QR over 100.
We put up 429 yards of offense and scored 25 points. We had the lead at halftime.
We chose to receive after the coin toss so the Bengals get the ball first in the second half and they proceed to march right down the field for a TD. They follow that up by continuing to score on every single possession in the second half except for the victory formation final possession.
Minshew is the least of this team's problems.
I hear ya, but statistics don’t tell the whole story. Look at Bortles numbers from 2015-2017.... If you watched the game closely you could see Minshew looked panicked the entire game.
(10-04-2020, 10:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 10:02 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with your statement. He is not the problem. But I have my doubts he is the long-term solution. This season is basically a rehearsal on tape for Minshew directed at the next GM-HC regime to decide if they want to use a Top 5 Draft pick on a QB.
Lol, what gives you the idea that the current GM and HC won't be here next year? Their seats aren't even room temperature.
(10-04-2020, 10:35 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew has been exposed I believe.
There are 3 types of QBs when pressured..
1. Those that see ghosts, lose their composure and throw mistake after mistake often leading to turnovers. Bortles..good example.
2. Those that over perceive the pressure, fail their reads, hold the ball too long causing the sack...Minshew
3. Franchise QB get the ball off quick and composed taking the hit but executing over and over.. Burrow
We have several rookie QBs and 2nd year QBs to compare Minshew against.
Tell me fellas you would rather have Minshew over the following right now:
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Not going into the QBs we passed on wasting time on Bortles. The above are just the QBs we passed on for Foles/Minshew.
I’m not saying a franchise QB will solve all of our problems (hello Bengals), but it certainly elevates the rest of the team.
We passed on the guy chosen first overall in two consecutive drafts? Damn, someone should fire Caldwell.
(10-04-2020, 10:35 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew has been exposed I believe.
There are 3 types of QBs when pressured..
1. Those that see ghosts, lose their composure and throw mistake after mistake often leading to turnovers. Bortles..good example.
2. Those that over perceive the pressure, fail their reads, hold the ball too long causing the sack...Minshew
3. Franchise QB get the ball off quick and composed taking the hit but executing over and over.. Burrow
We have several rookie QBs and 2nd year QBs to compare Minshew against.
Tell me fellas you would rather have Minshew over the following right now:
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Not going into the QBs we passed on wasting time on Bortles. The above are just the QBs we passed on for Foles/Minshew.
I’m not saying a franchise QB will solve all of our problems (hello Bengals), but it certainly elevates the rest of the team.
(10-04-2020, 10:35 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew has been exposed I believe.
There are 3 types of QBs when pressured..
1. Those that see ghosts, lose their composure and throw mistake after mistake often leading to turnovers. Bortles..good example.
2. Those that over perceive the pressure, fail their reads, hold the ball too long causing the sack...Minshew
3. Franchise QB get the ball off quick and composed taking the hit but executing over and over.. Burrow
We have several rookie QBs and 2nd year QBs to compare Minshew against.
Tell me fellas you would rather have Minshew over the following right now:
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Not going into the QBs we passed on wasting time on Bortles. The above are just the QBs we passed on for Foles/Minshew.
I’m not saying a franchise QB will solve all of our problems (hello Bengals), but it certainly elevates the rest of the team.
(10-04-2020, 10:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry guys but that first TD to Chark was an awful throw. There was no one even close to either Gardner or Chark and a simple pitch and catch TD turned into a needlessly floated wobbler that Chark had to make an impressive toe drag to haul in. Don't give him props for that.
(10-04-2020, 10:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 10:35 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew has been exposed I believe.
There are 3 types of QBs when pressured..
1. Those that see ghosts, lose their composure and throw mistake after mistake often leading to turnovers. Bortles..good example.
2. Those that over perceive the pressure, fail their reads, hold the ball too long causing the sack...Minshew
3. Franchise QB get the ball off quick and composed taking the hit but executing over and over.. Burrow
We have several rookie QBs and 2nd year QBs to compare Minshew against.
Tell me fellas you would rather have Minshew over the following right now:
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Not going into the QBs we passed on wasting time on Bortles. The above are just the QBs we passed on for Foles/Minshew.
I’m not saying a franchise QB will solve all of our problems (hello Bengals), but it certainly elevates the rest of the team.
Two of those guys were #1 overall picks and the other two were 6th and 7th overall.. They were all taken before we were even on the clock.. A lot of people were calling Allen a bust after his rookie season as well. We didn't pass on any of them.
(10-04-2020, 10:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry guys but that first TD to Chark was an awful throw. There was no one even close to either Gardner or Chark and a simple pitch and catch TD turned into a needlessly floated wobbler that Chark had to make an impressive toe drag to haul in. Don't give him props for that.
(10-04-2020, 11:00 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 10:35 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew has been exposed I believe.
There are 3 types of QBs when pressured..
1. Those that see ghosts, lose their composure and throw mistake after mistake often leading to turnovers. Bortles..good example.
2. Those that over perceive the pressure, fail their reads, hold the ball too long causing the sack...Minshew
3. Franchise QB get the ball off quick and composed taking the hit but executing over and over.. Burrow
We have several rookie QBs and 2nd year QBs to compare Minshew against.
Tell me fellas you would rather have Minshew over the following right now:
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Not going into the QBs we passed on wasting time on Bortles. The above are just the QBs we passed on for Foles/Minshew.
I’m not saying a franchise QB will solve all of our problems (hello Bengals), but it certainly elevates the rest of the team.
They all have talent, but I still like Gardner, and think he is a good fit for the Jags. But I understand that some people will prefer some QB's to Gardner. Especially ones that are playing really well like Josh Allen right now. But I still believe in Gardner and believe he can be a franchise guy. Especially if the team (like the defense) gets better.
And I will ask these questions, how many of the QB's you listed (as well as other young QB's) would have a better record with this version of the Jags than Gardner does? Possibly Josh and Kyler. I don't think know that Joe or Justin would have a better record than Gardner does. (Though, I have been impressed by both of them). Granted, the Bengals are bad, but the Chargers have a better coach and defense IMO than the Jags and they have the same amount of wins as the Jags. And Justin technically hasn't won anything yet. (Tyrod won that first game).
And How would Gardner look on the Chargers or the Cardinals? The Chargers might have more wins with him.
(10-04-2020, 11:08 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 10:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry guys but that first TD to Chark was an awful throw. There was no one even close to either Gardner or Chark and a simple pitch and catch TD turned into a needlessly floated wobbler that Chark had to make an impressive toe drag to haul in. Don't give him props for that.
So your criticism is that he almost didn't throw the pass to a spot where the receiver could get his feet down. That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
He put it in a perfect position in bounds to allow Chark to make a play and it must be your eyes wobbling because he threw a solid spiral. Making sure to get your feet in bounds is what receivers are paid to do.
The best QBs in history have made a living throwing passes that require their receivers to make a good play to stay in bounds or overcome a defender that has blanket coverage.
(10-04-2020, 09:46 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 09:35 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]In his 16th start in the NFL he throws over 350 yards, 2 TDs, 68% completion rate and a QR over 100.
We put up 429 yards of offense and scored 25 points. We had the lead at halftime.
We chose to receive after the coin toss so the Bengals get the ball first in the second half and they proceed to march right down the field for a TD. They follow that up by continuing to score on every single possession in the second half except for the victory formation final possession.
Minshew is the least of this team's problems.
I hear ya, but statistics don’t tell the whole story. Look at Bortles numbers from 2015-2017.... If you watched the game closely you could see Minshew looked panicked the entire game.
(10-04-2020, 10:43 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 09:46 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]I hear ya, but statistics don’t tell the whole story. Look at Bortles numbers from 2015-2017.... If you watched the game closely you could see Minshew looked panicked the entire game.
Bortles was an inaccurate pick six turnover machine. Minshew already shown more composure and control of the offense than Bortles ever had in his entire career. The game Minshew had today would be considered a great game for Bortles.
I watched him. He didn't look scared he looked rushed because are pass blocking wasn't good at all today. If our defense could play like a mediocre defense in the second half and got a couple of stops, we would probably have easily won and everyone would be talking about what a great game Minshew had.
(10-04-2020, 11:06 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 10:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Two of those guys were #1 overall picks and the other two were 6th and 7th overall.. They were all taken before we were even on the clock.. A lot of people were calling Allen a bust after his rookie season as well. We didn't pass on any of them.
I also remember people talking poorly about Josh Allen (including sports analysts). They were saying stuff like he was raw and a "project". Heck, even in last year's playoff game against the Texans people were questioning his decision making. Granted, he's come into his own, but people definitely weren't that high on him at first. Fortunately, for him he was given enough support and some more time to develop and he's doing well now.
(10-04-2020, 11:34 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 11:06 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I also remember people talking poorly about Josh Allen (including sports analysts). They were saying stuff like he was raw and a "project". Heck, even in last year's playoff game against the Texans people were questioning his decision making. Granted, he's come into his own, but people definitely weren't that high on him at first. Fortunately, for him he was given enough support and some more time to develop and he's doing well now.
Yup, sometimes players simply need time to develop.
Today was Minshew's 16th game started (17th played). So going by that you can say he just finished his first full season game wise. His numbers are 391-617 for 4409 passing yards, 29 TDs, 10 INTs with a 7-10 record. I counted the loss from week 1 last season, because I included his stats from that game as well. Even though he didn't start, but pretty much played the entire game.
After some of the [BLEEP] show QB play this team has had to deal with. There shouldn't be a single person in this fan base that wouldn't be very excited about their QB after a first year like that. Especially when there's a lot of people who think the team is void of talent. And this isn't the case of garbage time stats like Bortles' 4.4k yards and 35 TD season. These games are actually competitive (besides the Defense this season) and typically are coming right down to the final minutes of the games.
(10-04-2020, 11:34 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](10-04-2020, 11:06 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I also remember people talking poorly about Josh Allen (including sports analysts). They were saying stuff like he was raw and a "project". Heck, even in last year's playoff game against the Texans people were questioning his decision making. Granted, he's come into his own, but people definitely weren't that high on him at first. Fortunately, for him he was given enough support and some more time to develop and he's doing well now.
Yup, sometimes players simply need time to develop.
Today was Minshew's 16th game started (17th played). So going by that you can say he just finished his first full season game wise. His numbers are 391-617 for 4409 passing yards, 29 TDs, 10 INTs with a 7-10 record. I counted the loss from week 1 last season, because I included his stats from that game as well. Even though he didn't start, but pretty much played the entire game.
After some of the [BLEEP] show QB play this team has had to deal with. There shouldn't be a single person in this fan base that wouldn't be very excited about their QB after a first year like that. Especially when there's a lot of people who think the team is void of talent. And this isn't the case of garbage time stats like Bortles' 4.4k yards and 35 TD season. These games are actually competitive (besides the Defense this season) and typically are coming right down to the final minutes of the games.