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Minshew lost his confidence and I doubt he gets it back any time soon.

I didn't think I was gonna say this but I am ready to see Luton.

(10-25-2020, 05:17 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]At this point I’m ok drafting Fields or giving someone else the chance next year. Minshew is even starting to look rough for a back up!

Yah... no one is giving us a decent draft pick for Minshew.  Put him on the bench next season.

woooooot fields here we come!

Maybe we can fleece Dallas. They have to be desperate at this point. Send Minshew over for a 4th or 5th

I really want to see Luton play.

(10-25-2020, 07:30 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we can fleece Dallas. They have to be desperate at this point. Send Minshew over for a 4th or 5th

That's what I came here to post, trade Minshew to Dallas. Hopefully they could get more than a 4th or 5th though. Clearly time to move on though.

(10-25-2020, 07:51 PM)prime winner Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 07:30 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we can fleece Dallas. They have to be desperate at this point. Send Minshew over for a 4th or 5th

That's what I came here to post, trade Minshew to Dallas. Hopefully they could get more than a 4th or 5th though. Clearly time to move on though.

Wouldnt be surprised if Dallas or New England made some calls.

(10-25-2020, 07:51 PM)prime winner Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 07:30 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we can fleece Dallas. They have to be desperate at this point. Send Minshew over for a 4th or 5th

That's what I came here to post, trade Minshew to Dallas. Hopefully they could get more than a 4th or 5th though. Clearly time to move on though.

He would be a back up there.

(10-25-2020, 07:53 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldnt be surprised if Dallas or New England made some calls.

It would be interesting if they did. I still support Gardner (though it looks like his fanbase is dwindling some). And I still think that people are putting too much blame on him. I think that fans are frustrated by the long string of losses and want to lay most of it at his feet (and in some cases darn near all of it) at his feet. But it's not all him. He has some ups and downs, but I still think he shows promise and feel like if he were a higher round pick, people might would take it easier on him. There are other QB's including first rounders on bad teams who look worse than Gardner and people haven't given up on them yet. Yet a lot of Jags fans would to constantly blame Gardner for a lot of the teams struggles. Or focus on replacing him like that's the biggest problem on this team. Including some of the local media on places like Twitter, who previously supported Gardner. 


It seem to be mostly Jags fans now who constantly criticize, talk about removing/benching Gardner. I noticed that when the news came out today from Ian Rapoport a lot of non Jags fans were the ones that were defending him. They know this situation in Jacksonville is rough and some of them believe he could succeed elsewhere. 

The trade deadline is November 3, I do wonder if a team would inquire about him. I'm not saying the Jags would trade him at that time, but you never know. And I still believe you could get higher than where he was drafted for him.

(10-25-2020, 09:15 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 07:53 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldnt be surprised if Dallas or New England made some calls.

It would be interesting if they did. I still support Gardner (though it looks like his fanbase is dwindling some). And I still think that people are putting too much blame on him. I think that fans are frustrated by the long string of losses and want to lay most of it at his feet (and in some cases darn near all of it) at his feet. But it's not all him. He has some ups and downs, but I still think he shows promise and feel like if he were a higher round pick, people might would take it easier on him. There are other QB's including first rounders on bad teams who look worse than Gardner and people haven't given up on them yet. Yet a lot of Jags fans would to constantly blame Gardner for a lot of the teams struggles. Or focus on replacing him like that's the biggest problem on this team. Including some of the local media on places like Twitter, who previously supported Gardner. 

It seem to be mostly Jags fans now who constantly criticize, talk about removing/benching Gardner. I noticed that when the news came out today from Ian Rapoport a lot of non Jags fans were the ones that were defending him. They know this situation in Jacksonville is rough and some of them believe he could succeed elsewhere. 

The trade deadline is November 3, I do wonder if a team would inquire about him. I'm not saying the Jags would trade him at that time, but you never know. And I still believe you could get higher than where he was drafted for him.

Like who?

(10-25-2020, 09:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 09:15 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be interesting if they did. I still support Gardner (though it looks like his fanbase is dwindling some). And I still think that people are putting too much blame on him. I think that fans are frustrated by the long string of losses and want to lay most of it at his feet (and in some cases darn near all of it) at his feet. But it's not all him. He has some ups and downs, but I still think he shows promise and feel like if he were a higher round pick, people might would take it easier on him. There are other QB's including first rounders on bad teams who look worse than Gardner and people haven't given up on them yet. Yet a lot of Jags fans would to constantly blame Gardner for a lot of the teams struggles. Or focus on replacing him like that's the biggest problem on this team. Including some of the local media on places like Twitter, who previously supported Gardner. 

It seem to be mostly Jags fans now who constantly criticize, talk about removing/benching Gardner. I noticed that when the news came out today from Ian Rapoport a lot of non Jags fans were the ones that were defending him. They know this situation in Jacksonville is rough and some of them believe he could succeed elsewhere. 

The trade deadline is November 3, I do wonder if a team would inquire about him. I'm not saying the Jags would trade him at that time, but you never know. And I still believe you could get higher than where he was drafted for him.

Like who?

Wentz, Daniel Jones. Would you give Goff $134m?

Its not Minshew its the coaching staff, no development, they cause regression, same thing happened with Bortles. Until the staff gets changed we went see a difference.

(10-25-2020, 09:21 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 09:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]Like who?

Wentz, Daniel Jones. Would you give Goff $134m?

Haskins, Trubiski (until he was benched) Darnold, Lock.

I want a new QB in the first round but I don't wanna cut/trade Minshew, maybe he will get a lot better with a new coaching staff and better O-line.

(10-25-2020, 09:21 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 09:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]Like who?

Wentz, Daniel Jones. Would you give Goff $134m?

Wentz was having an MVP season a few years ago before he got hurt.  His team has been decimated by injuries this year.  You are really comparing what Wentz has done in the League to Minshew?!?!?!  No way.

Daniel Jones is struggling and getting criticized in NY more than Minshew is in Jax.  If they win the Lawrence lottery, no question which way they go.  And Jones currently has a better QB rating (#22 with a 60.5) compared with Minshew (#25 with 53.7).  The Giants are not happy with Jones, but he shows more promise than Minshew, imo.

I hated the Goff signing.  But if I had to pick Goff over Minshew, its no contest.

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(10-25-2020, 09:25 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 09:21 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Wentz, Daniel Jones. Would you give Goff $134m?

Haskins, Trubiski (until he was benched) Darnold, Lock.

I want a new QB in the first round but I don't wanna cut/trade Minshew, maybe he will get a lot better with a new coaching staff and better O-line.

Haskins and Trubisky are benched.  Darnold will be pushed out for Lawrence.  Too soon to evaluate Lock.  He's been injured too.

Its big boy football.  Produce or you're out. Minshew has been below average for 5 straight games now. He's not the answer.

(10-25-2020, 09:15 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 07:53 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldnt be surprised if Dallas or New England made some calls.

It would be interesting if they did. I still support Gardner (though it looks like his fanbase is dwindling some). And I still think that people are putting too much blame on him. I think that fans are frustrated by the long string of losses and want to lay most of it at his feet (and in some cases darn near all of it) at his feet. But it's not all him. He has some ups and downs, but I still think he shows promise and feel like if he were a higher round pick, people might would take it easier on him. There are other QB's including first rounders on bad teams who look worse than Gardner and people haven't given up on them yet. Yet a lot of Jags fans would to constantly blame Gardner for a lot of the teams struggles. Or focus on replacing him like that's the biggest problem on this team. Including some of the local media on places like Twitter, who previously supported Gardner. 


It seem to be mostly Jags fans now who constantly criticize, talk about removing/benching Gardner. I noticed that when the news came out today from Ian Rapoport a lot of non Jags fans were the ones that were defending him. They know this situation in Jacksonville is rough and some of them believe he could succeed elsewhere. 

The trade deadline is November 3, I do wonder if a team would inquire about him. I'm not saying the Jags would trade him at that time, but you never know. And I still believe you could get higher than where he was drafted for him.

I certainly think Minshew is getting criticism that should be getting spread about. It's part of being QB, you get the glory for the W's, blame for the L's. My position has stayed the same. Yes you can get a better QB but hes way down the list of things to fix for me. The D gives up 30+ every week so we need to be this high scoring O and we arent. I notice a lot of quiet about that TD throw to Conley. That ball was perfect.

I really do think his draft pick is the anchor he will have round his ankle for his career. We had 5 years of Bortles as he was learning and I think Minshew is better.

The other thing I think people overlook with Minshew, his salary is so cheap. He is worth a lot more than we are paying and we your starting QB is on $800k, you can be extra aggressive in FA, you can afford that extra pass rusher. Throw in all the draft picks and I think you can improve big chunks. 

But I get if we are #1 or #2 going QB.

(10-25-2020, 09:25 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 09:21 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Wentz, Daniel Jones. Would you give Goff $134m?

Haskins, Trubiski (until he was benched) Darnold, Lock.

I want a new QB in the first round but I don't wanna cut/trade Minshew, maybe he will get a lot better with a new coaching staff and better O-line.

Yeah, Carson Wentz has been looking rough this year. He was looking rough in that game against the Giants on Thursday. Granted the Eagles ended up winning, but Evan Engram dropping that pass from Daniel Jones which could have put that game away, factored in. Daniel Jones actually played better than Carson did in that game.  And Sam Darnold continues to look rough, though I do acknowledge that his team is really bad, his coach isn't good, and that team is one of the few teams that looks worse than the Jags right now.

(10-25-2020, 09:30 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-25-2020, 09:15 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be interesting if they did. I still support Gardner (though it looks like his fanbase is dwindling some). And I still think that people are putting too much blame on him. I think that fans are frustrated by the long string of losses and want to lay most of it at his feet (and in some cases darn near all of it) at his feet. But it's not all him. He has some ups and downs, but I still think he shows promise and feel like if he were a higher round pick, people might would take it easier on him. There are other QB's including first rounders on bad teams who look worse than Gardner and people haven't given up on them yet. Yet a lot of Jags fans would to constantly blame Gardner for a lot of the teams struggles. Or focus on replacing him like that's the biggest problem on this team. Including some of the local media on places like Twitter, who previously supported Gardner. 


It seem to be mostly Jags fans now who constantly criticize, talk about removing/benching Gardner. I noticed that when the news came out today from Ian Rapoport a lot of non Jags fans were the ones that were defending him. They know this situation in Jacksonville is rough and some of them believe he could succeed elsewhere. 

The trade deadline is November 3, I do wonder if a team would inquire about him. I'm not saying the Jags would trade him at that time, but you never know. And I still believe you could get higher than where he was drafted for him.

I certainly think Minshew is getting criticism that should be getting spread about. It's part of being QB, you get the glory for the W's, blame for the L's. My position has stayed the same. Yes you can get a better QB but hes way down the list of things to fix for me. The D gives up 30+ every week so we need to be this high scoring O and we arent. I notice a lot of quiet about that TD throw to Conley. That ball was perfect.

I really do think his draft pick is the anchor he will have round his ankle for his career. We had 5 years of Bortles as he was learning and I think Minshew is better.

The other thing I think people overlook with Minshew, his salary is so cheap. He is worth a lot more than we are paying and we your starting QB is on $800k, you can be extra aggressive in FA, you can afford that extra pass rusher. Throw in all the draft picks and I think you can improve big chunks. 

But I get if we are #1 or #2 going QB.

Oh, yeah didn't see as much praise for that throw, but people sure were really emphasizing his mistakes. It's getting to the point to where people, (mainly Jags fans) don't want to give him credit for anything. Some Jags fans have really turned on Gardner (starting with the Miami game). And very critical of everything he does, while not really giving him credit for things he's done well.

What I find interesting if how a lot of non Jags fans are sticking up for Gardner. Some of the responses/quote tweets in this thread made by Big Cat Country who used to be a big Gardner supporter, made me lol. (Now he likes to constantly criticize/blame Gardner for a lot of stuff).

https://twitter.com/BigCatCountry/status...0962183168

Some of these people are non Jags fans and aren't with people like Big Cat Country bashing Gardner like that. They know he's not the biggest problem and it's more than just him.  A QB is incredibly important for a team, but even a good one can only do so much. Heck look at Justin Herbert, and how well he's been playing and he only has two wins with the Chargers. (Largely due to some major issues around him including injured/missing players and questionable coaching decisions).  Or Joe Burrow and how he doesn't have many wins in Cincy, due to the issues they have. Often times problems on a team are more than just on the QB, and Gardner is not the worst of the Jags problems, though some people/Jags fans want to act like he is.

I do think that if the Jags get the first or second pick they will probably go with a QB. And I understand that. But I don't care to see people constantly bashing Gardner, trying to blame him for most of the Jags problems. It's getting old. If the Jags get a top pick and want to get a QB, then I hope they trade Gardner to a better situation for him. I'm fine with him being traded to another team where he has a better chance of being successful.

I don't think we should get rid of Gardner, he could at least be a good backup for us. Otherwise whatever pick we get, basically just drafting a new backup.

You all now settling for Fields. He's gonna suck in the NFL. Buckeyes run a elementary passing offense. That's why Head Coach Rivera benched Haskins cus he cant read defenses and go through progressions.