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Just out of interest, if we picked up Lawrence or one of the other top guys, do you let Minshew run out his contract or do you trade him. And if you trade him, what's your price?

(10-19-2020, 11:52 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Just out of interest, if we picked up Lawrence or one of the other top guys, do you let Minshew run out his contract or do you trade him. And if you trade him, what's your price?

Minshew is a great backup. I would definitely keep him.

(10-19-2020, 12:16 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 11:52 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Just out of interest, if we picked up Lawrence or one of the other top guys, do you let Minshew run out his contract or do you trade him. And if you trade him, what's your price?

Minshew is a great backup. I would definitely keep him.

Agreed. He's cheap, why get rid of him? He's the backup.

(10-19-2020, 11:52 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Just out of interest, if we picked up Lawrence or one of the other top guys, do you let Minshew run out his contract or do you trade him. And if you trade him, what's your price?

Honestly I'm not sure Minshew nets much in a trade. I think he's a solid back up with upside.

(10-19-2020, 12:16 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 11:52 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Just out of interest, if we picked up Lawrence or one of the other top guys, do you let Minshew run out his contract or do you trade him. And if you trade him, what's your price?

Minshew is a great backup. I would definitely keep him.

Oh I think well keep him for his rookie contract even if we draft another QB. This year he is getting $722,000, 2021 is $890,000 and 2022 is $1m. So that's very cap friendly. If we have him as a back up then hes not as difficult to replace after that but I think someone else would roll the dice on him. Fair few teams not set at QB and he could be a low cost risk. 

Wouldnt be shocked if a new GM with new QB used him as trade capital to improve the rest of the team.

(10-19-2020, 02:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 11:52 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Just out of interest, if we picked up Lawrence or one of the other top guys, do you let Minshew run out his contract or do you trade him. And if you trade him, what's your price?

Honestly I'm not sure Minshew nets much in a trade. I think he's a solid back up with upside.

Agreed.  He is a cheap and solid backup with 2 years left on his rookie deal.  If you could get a 3rd or 4th for him, I think the new GM would consider it.  But pretty sure no one will give you that at this point.

(10-19-2020, 02:16 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 02:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly I'm not sure Minshew nets much in a trade. I think he's a solid back up with upside.

Agreed.  He is a cheap and solid backup with 2 years left on his rookie deal.  If you could get a 3rd or 4th for him, I think the new GM would consider it.  But pretty sure no one will give you that at this point.

I don't see it. He's a former 6th round pick who pretty much has hit his ceiling, imo.

I love the dude and I was caught up in the Magic/Mania for awhile. But missing Chark short yesterday for an INT was pretty much it for me.
Especially after watching college football and seeing Trevor Lawrence and Mac Jones just hitting bombs to guys. I've given up on the whole "we can build a system around him" idea.
Get a guy who can sling it consistently and build around that. 

But he's a good locker room guy, a smart person, and if needed for a game or two probably could win sometimes without the pressure of being "the guy".

Great backup, but the lack of arm strength is becoming more apparent each week.

(10-19-2020, 02:15 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 12:16 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew is a great backup. I would definitely keep him.

Oh I think well keep him for his rookie contract even if we draft another QB. This year he is getting $722,000, 2021 is $890,000 and 2022 is $1m. So that's very cap friendly. If we have him as a back up then hes not as difficult to replace after that but I think someone else would roll the dice on him. Fair few teams not set at QB and he could be a low cost risk. 

Wouldnt be shocked if a new GM with new QB used him as trade capital to improve the rest of the team.

I wouldn't be surprised if a new regime trades Gardner in the offseason. I think that they can definitely get a higher pick than where he was drafted. I believe the team could get at least a fourth maybe even a third for him.  I could see them trading him next season if they get to choose one of the top QB's in the draft. Or maybe in his third season should the new QB play well for the team.

They might keep him for his rookie contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him. Especially if they still continue to like Luton as a backup.

I do not believe that Gardner will be a long term backup for the Jags. As I've seen some people suggest/hope will happen. I don't think he would choose to do that. I think there is a better chance he's traded or he leaves when his rookie contract is up. I do believe that some other teams would take him, and that he could get the opportunity to start again. Even if it's in a Case Keenum/Fitzpatrick type of way. A lot of people are down on Gardner and he's had some struggles in some of the games this year. But he is not as bad as a lot of people are making him out to be. His numbers are still pretty decent looking in various areas. In a better situation his production would be enough. On a better team he could win. The Jags situation is really rough and he can't do enough to elevate this team as it's currently constructed. He has looked better than some starters this year and that includes someone like Kirk Cousins. I still believe he could well in the right situation.

Unfortunately, that doesn't look like it's Jacksonville right now, which has too many problems for him to really be successful right starting with the coaching. But in the right situation I think he could do well, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point he ends up starting for another team. I could see him getting on a team with an aging QB that will be retiring within the next couple of years. (like Saints, Steelers, etc...) I could see him on a team like the Saints and for some reason I could see him working with the Steelers and Mike Tomlin.

(10-19-2020, 06:35 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 02:15 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I think well keep him for his rookie contract even if we draft another QB. This year he is getting $722,000, 2021 is $890,000 and 2022 is $1m. So that's very cap friendly. If we have him as a back up then hes not as difficult to replace after that but I think someone else would roll the dice on him. Fair few teams not set at QB and he could be a low cost risk. 

Wouldnt be shocked if a new GM with new QB used him as trade capital to improve the rest of the team.

I wouldn't be surprised if a new regime trades Gardner in the offseason. I think that they can definitely get a higher pick than where he was drafted. I believe the team could get at least a fourth maybe even a third for him.  I could see them trading him next season if they get to choose one of the top QB's in the draft. Or maybe in his third season should the new QB play well for the team.

They might keep him for his rookie contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him. Especially if they still continue to like Luton as a backup.

I do not believe that Gardner will be a long term backup for the Jags. As I've seen some people suggest/hope will happen. I don't think he would choose to do that. I think there is a better chance he's traded or he leaves when his rookie contract is up. I do believe that some other teams would take him, and that he could get the opportunity to start again. Even if it's in a Case Keenum/Fitzpatrick type of way. A lot of people are down on Gardner and he's had some struggles in some of the games this year. But he is not as bad as a lot of people are making him out to be. His numbers are still pretty decent looking in various areas. In a better situation his production would be enough. On a better team he could win. The Jags situation is really rough and he can't do enough to elevate this team as it's currently constructed. He has looked better than some starters this year and that includes someone like Kirk Cousins. I still believe he could well in the right situation.

Unfortunately, that doesn't look like it's Jacksonville right now, which has too many problems for him to really be successful right starting with the coaching. But in the right situation I think he could do well, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point he ends up starting for another team. I could see him getting on a team with an aging QB that will be retiring within the next couple of years. (like Saints, Steelers, etc...) I could see him on a team like the Saints and for some reason I could see him working with the Steelers and Mike Tomlin.

I agree, especially with the part in bold.

(10-19-2020, 02:16 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 02:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly I'm not sure Minshew nets much in a trade. I think he's a solid back up with upside.

Agreed.  He is a cheap and solid backup with 2 years left on his rookie deal.  If you could get a 3rd or 4th for him, I think the new GM would consider it.  But pretty sure no one will give you that at this point.

I think he could be worth a lower 4th, but I wouldn't trade him. Who knows if the rookie is ready next year or if the OL improves enough to keep from ruining him.

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I don't believe we really know yet how good he can be. Other than the Colts game he seems to be hit and pressured way too often. By the end of the game he actually appeared tired from running. Our current offensive line while having early success run blocking has really had issues with pass blocking. He is having to improve his reactions to blitzes, especially up the middle. Which caused him a ton of problems during the Lions game. There are not a lot of veteran QB s that would be as successful as we want currently. We have more time to see how far he can develop. This season is (I hate to say it) one where we evaluate our players to identify who is getting better and who we need to replace before next year.

(10-19-2020, 07:13 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe we really know yet how good he can be. Other than the Colts game he seems to be hit and pressured way too often. By the end of the game he actually appeared tired from running. Our current offensive line while having early success run blocking has really had issues with pass blocking. He is having to improve his reactions to blitzes, especially up the middle.  Which caused him a ton of problems during the Lions game. There are not a lot of veteran QB s that would be as successful as we want currently. We have more time to see how far he can develop. This season is (I hate to say it) one where we evaluate our players to identify who is getting better and who we need to replace before next year.

As much as the o-line has caused problems over the last couple years, ours is not THAT bad. We are currently around 10/11th in ranking with our offensive line. We have certainly lost games to worse offensive lines the last few weeks. We have receivers showing frustration for poor throwing and stating “ we were open “.

(10-19-2020, 07:00 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 06:35 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised if a new regime trades Gardner in the offseason. I think that they can definitely get a higher pick than where he was drafted. I believe the team could get at least a fourth maybe even a third for him.  I could see them trading him next season if they get to choose one of the top QB's in the draft. Or maybe in his third season should the new QB play well for the team.

They might keep him for his rookie contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him. Especially if they still continue to like Luton as a backup.

I do not believe that Gardner will be a long term backup for the Jags. As I've seen some people suggest/hope will happen. I don't think he would choose to do that. I think there is a better chance he's traded or he leaves when his rookie contract is up. I do believe that some other teams would take him, and that he could get the opportunity to start again. Even if it's in a Case Keenum/Fitzpatrick type of way. A lot of people are down on Gardner and he's had some struggles in some of the games this year. But he is not as bad as a lot of people are making him out to be. His numbers are still pretty decent looking in various areas. In a better situation his production would be enough. On a better team he could win. The Jags situation is really rough and he can't do enough to elevate this team as it's currently constructed. He has looked better than some starters this year and that includes someone like Kirk Cousins. I still believe he could well in the right situation.

Unfortunately, that doesn't look like it's Jacksonville right now, which has too many problems for him to really be successful right starting with the coaching. But in the right situation I think he could do well, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point he ends up starting for another team. I could see him getting on a team with an aging QB that will be retiring within the next couple of years. (like Saints, Steelers, etc...) I could see him on a team like the Saints and for some reason I could see him working with the Steelers and Mike Tomlin.

I agree, especially with the part in bold.

Someone on this thread mentioned Gardner as being like Case Keenum on the Vikings to poke fun at him, but Case did help the Vikings get to an NFC Championship. I could see Gardner going to a better situation, getting to start and having the opportunity to make a run with a team. And I do believe there are teams that will give him a chance. I think some of them will look at his situation with the Jags and understand it's a rough situation. I also believe they will look at his production and think they can do more with him. Sometimes QB's need to go to better situations in order to be successful. Look at Ryan Tannehill and how much better he's faring since he was let go from the Dolphins and especially Adam Gase.

I could see Gardner doing better on another team. Whether that's via a trade or maybe after his rookie contract is up, when he will have the freedom to pick teams he's interested. If he leaves the Jags after his contract is up, I could see him choosing wisely when it comes to his next team. I could see him going to a good team, that could use a starter, (like maybe their QB has retired and they aren't bad enough to get a top QB in the draft).

(10-19-2020, 06:35 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 02:15 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I think well keep him for his rookie contract even if we draft another QB. This year he is getting $722,000, 2021 is $890,000 and 2022 is $1m. So that's very cap friendly. If we have him as a back up then hes not as difficult to replace after that but I think someone else would roll the dice on him. Fair few teams not set at QB and he could be a low cost risk. 

Wouldnt be shocked if a new GM with new QB used him as trade capital to improve the rest of the team.

I wouldn't be surprised if a new regime trades Gardner in the offseason. I think that they can definitely get a higher pick than where he was drafted. I believe the team could get at least a fourth maybe even a third for him.  I could see them trading him next season if they get to choose one of the top QB's in the draft. Or maybe in his third season should the new QB play well for the team.

They might keep him for his rookie contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him. Especially if they still continue to like Luton as a backup.

I do not believe that Gardner will be a long term backup for the Jags. As I've seen some people suggest/hope will happen. I don't think he would choose to do that. I think there is a better chance he's traded or he leaves when his rookie contract is up. I do believe that some other teams would take him, and that he could get the opportunity to start again. Even if it's in a Case Keenum/Fitzpatrick type of way. A lot of people are down on Gardner and he's had some struggles in some of the games this year. But he is not as bad as a lot of people are making him out to be. His numbers are still pretty decent looking in various areas. In a better situation his production would be enough. On a better team he could win. The Jags situation is really rough and he can't do enough to elevate this team as it's currently constructed. He has looked better than some starters this year and that includes someone like Kirk Cousins. I still believe he could well in the right situation.

Unfortunately, that doesn't look like it's Jacksonville right now, which has too many problems for him to really be successful right starting with the coaching. But in the right situation I think he could do well, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point he ends up starting for another team. I could see him getting on a team with an aging QB that will be retiring within the next couple of years. (like Saints, Steelers, etc...) I could see him on a team like the Saints and for some reason I could see him working with the Steelers and Mike Tomlin.

Completely agree. I look at his college career where he made the harder path but got to play. Even if we went QB in the draft, he would probably start Week 1 but it's a ticking clock. Theyll yank him eventually and I agree that teams will see him as a worthwhile risk if they can get him for a 4th or 3rd. 

I'm not saying Minshew is the best QB in the league or we cant find better but hes been given a really raw deal this year. This team is a mess in all 3 groups of the team and I see him trying, I see him trying to be the guy and carry the team and he cant. The smiling 'jorts on deck' guy looks gone.

I think there are plenty of teams who would be interested. Denver, Pittsburgh have tried a few guys to see if they could replace Roethlisberger with little success, Dallas and Prescott, Washington. I wouldnt be surprised to see Belichick take a gamble. He loves those guys that he can improve and make plays. Look at someone like Edelmen. Newton isn't doing much, Minshews cap hit is $890,000 which helps if your in cap trouble or let's you be more aggressive in FA.

(10-19-2020, 08:45 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 06:35 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised if a new regime trades Gardner in the offseason. I think that they can definitely get a higher pick than where he was drafted. I believe the team could get at least a fourth maybe even a third for him.  I could see them trading him next season if they get to choose one of the top QB's in the draft. Or maybe in his third season should the new QB play well for the team.

They might keep him for his rookie contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him. Especially if they still continue to like Luton as a backup.

I do not believe that Gardner will be a long term backup for the Jags. As I've seen some people suggest/hope will happen. I don't think he would choose to do that. I think there is a better chance he's traded or he leaves when his rookie contract is up. I do believe that some other teams would take him, and that he could get the opportunity to start again. Even if it's in a Case Keenum/Fitzpatrick type of way. A lot of people are down on Gardner and he's had some struggles in some of the games this year. But he is not as bad as a lot of people are making him out to be. His numbers are still pretty decent looking in various areas. In a better situation his production would be enough. On a better team he could win. The Jags situation is really rough and he can't do enough to elevate this team as it's currently constructed. He has looked better than some starters this year and that includes someone like Kirk Cousins. I still believe he could well in the right situation.

Unfortunately, that doesn't look like it's Jacksonville right now, which has too many problems for him to really be successful right starting with the coaching. But in the right situation I think he could do well, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point he ends up starting for another team. I could see him getting on a team with an aging QB that will be retiring within the next couple of years. (like Saints, Steelers, etc...) I could see him on a team like the Saints and for some reason I could see him working with the Steelers and Mike Tomlin.

Completely agree. I look at his college career where he made the harder path but got to play. Even if we went QB in the draft, he would probably start Week 1 but it's a ticking clock. Theyll yank him eventually and I agree that teams will see him as a worthwhile risk if they can get him for a 4th or 3rd. 

I'm not saying Minshew is the best QB in the league or we cant find better but hes been given a really raw deal this year. This team is a mess in all 3 groups of the team and I see him trying, I see him trying to be the guy and carry the team and he cant. The smiling 'jorts on deck' guy looks gone.

I think there are plenty of teams who would be interested. Denver, Pittsburgh have tried a few guys to see if they could replace Roethlisberger with little success, Dallas and Prescott, Washington. I wouldnt be surprised to see Belichick take a gamble. He loves those guys that he can improve and make plays. Look at someone like Edelmen. Newton isn't doing much, Minshews cap hit is $890,000 which helps if your in cap trouble or let's you be more aggressive in FA.

I agree. Gardner is currently projected to throw 29 TDs this year. (He is also fourth in passing stats). He might throw more or less. But I could see him being close enough to that projections. I definitely think that some teams out there are willing to give him a chance. There are some that will take someone that can give you like 30Tds and this is in a situation with bad coaching. If he actually had good coaching, he could have even better production.

I already saw someone who I think used to be a media member for the Jags on Twitter, suggest that the Jags trade Gardner to the Cowboys for a third round pick. This was right after Dak got injured. Granted, that isn't going to happen this year, but something like that could happen in the future with a team. If the Jags draft another QB, and a QB on a good team goes down, who knows what could happen regarding a trade for Gardner. 

I could see teams like the Saints/Steelers being interested in him. And others too, possibly depending on when he leaves the Jags. I have liked what I've seen of Cam on the Patriots for the most part, though he had some struggles against the Broncos this past Sunday. Maybe he stays with them for a bit longer. Or maybe a year or two from now, they may look to get another QB. I could see Gardner doing well with Bill Belichick. He works hard and I definitely think that Bill Belichick could get the most out of him. 

If Gardner leaves the Jags after his rookie contract is up, there may be even more options for him. Because I think by that time some more QB's will retire/be very close to retiring. Including Drew Brees, who I think may be gone after this year, possibly Big Ben, and possibly Philip Rivers as well. I did see some Colts fans say they wouldn't mind the Colts looking at Gardner as an option.

Though, I don't think that the Jags would trade him to the Colts. If he ended up with them, that would be after his rookie contract is over. Also, by the time his rookie contract is over, some teams may be ready to move on from some other younger QB's who have been struggling. We are already seeing teams move on from young QB's who haven't been given that much of a chance like Dwayne Haskins. So maybe there will be some more open spots for him to possibly getting a starting position that way as well. 

I think whether he's traded or leaves after his rookie contract is up, he will have options/opportunity to possibly start again.

(10-19-2020, 09:10 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 08:45 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree. I look at his college career where he made the harder path but got to play. Even if we went QB in the draft, he would probably start Week 1 but it's a ticking clock. Theyll yank him eventually and I agree that teams will see him as a worthwhile risk if they can get him for a 4th or 3rd. 

I'm not saying Minshew is the best QB in the league or we cant find better but hes been given a really raw deal this year. This team is a mess in all 3 groups of the team and I see him trying, I see him trying to be the guy and carry the team and he cant. The smiling 'jorts on deck' guy looks gone.

I think there are plenty of teams who would be interested. Denver, Pittsburgh have tried a few guys to see if they could replace Roethlisberger with little success, Dallas and Prescott, Washington. I wouldnt be surprised to see Belichick take a gamble. He loves those guys that he can improve and make plays. Look at someone like Edelmen. Newton isn't doing much, Minshews cap hit is $890,000 which helps if your in cap trouble or let's you be more aggressive in FA.

I agree. Gardner is currently projected to throw 29 TDs this year. (He is also fourth in passing stats). He might throw more or less. But I could see him being close enough to that projections. I definitely think that some teams out there are willing to give him a chance. There are some that will take someone that can give you like 30Tds and this is in a situation with bad coaching. If he actually had good coaching, he could have even better production.

I already saw someone who I think used to be a media member for the Jags on Twitter, suggest that the Jags trade Gardner to the Cowboys for a third round pick. This was right after Dak got injured. Granted, that isn't going to happen this year, but something like that could happen in the future with a team. If the Jags draft another QB, and a QB on a good team goes down, who knows what could happen regarding a trade for Gardner. 

I could see teams like the Saints/Steelers being interested in him. And others too, possibly depending on when he leaves the Jags. I have liked what I've seen of Cam on the Patriots for the most part, though he had some struggles against the Broncos this past Sunday. Maybe he stays with them for a bit longer. Or maybe a year or two from now, they may look to get another QB. I could see Gardner doing well with Bill Belichick. He works hard and I definitely think that Bill Belichick could get the most out of him. 

If Gardner leaves the Jags after his rookie contract is up, there may be even more options for him. Because I think by that time some more QB's will retire/be very close to retiring. Including Drew Brees, who I think may be gone after this year, possibly Big Ben, and possibly Philip Rivers as well. I did see some Colts fans say they wouldn't mind the Colts looking at Gardner as an option. Though, I don't think that the Jags would trade him to the Colts. If he ended up with them, that would be after his rookie contract is over. Also, by the time his rookie contract is over, some teams may be ready to move on from some other younger QB's who have been struggling. We are already seeing teams move on from young QB's who haven't been given that much of a chance like Dwayne Haskins. So maybe there will be some more open spots for him to possibly getting a starting position that way as well. 

I think whether he's traded or leaves after his rookie contract is up, he will have options/opportunity to possibly start again.

You make so good points about his contract ending. He will still be only 26 when his rookie deal ends and when you look at QB's able to play up to around 40, I think he will feel he still has plenty of time to have a career. Obviously he has limitations but a good coaching staff play to your strengths and hide your weaknesses. His stats from play action are really good, I agree with better coaching and a system more suited to his strengths and he could get you wins. 

Also a good point with the older generation of QBs moving on. Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Ryan, Rivers etc, guys whose names we have heard for years but no one beats the clock. Young QB's can have a very steep grading curve. Bortles, a 1st round pick without a team, Rosen already a backup, are Darnold, Mayfield, Wentz, Goff still going to be at their teams in 5 years...I'm not sure.

(10-19-2020, 09:23 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 09:10 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. Gardner is currently projected to throw 29 TDs this year. (He is also fourth in passing stats). He might throw more or less. But I could see him being close enough to that projections. I definitely think that some teams out there are willing to give him a chance. There are some that will take someone that can give you like 30Tds and this is in a situation with bad coaching. If he actually had good coaching, he could have even better production.

I already saw someone who I think used to be a media member for the Jags on Twitter, suggest that the Jags trade Gardner to the Cowboys for a third round pick. This was right after Dak got injured. Granted, that isn't going to happen this year, but something like that could happen in the future with a team. If the Jags draft another QB, and a QB on a good team goes down, who knows what could happen regarding a trade for Gardner. 

I could see teams like the Saints/Steelers being interested in him. And others too, possibly depending on when he leaves the Jags. I have liked what I've seen of Cam on the Patriots for the most part, though he had some struggles against the Broncos this past Sunday. Maybe he stays with them for a bit longer. Or maybe a year or two from now, they may look to get another QB. I could see Gardner doing well with Bill Belichick. He works hard and I definitely think that Bill Belichick could get the most out of him. 

If Gardner leaves the Jags after his rookie contract is up, there may be even more options for him. Because I think by that time some more QB's will retire/be very close to retiring. Including Drew Brees, who I think may be gone after this year, possibly Big Ben, and possibly Philip Rivers as well. I did see some Colts fans say they wouldn't mind the Colts looking at Gardner as an option. Though, I don't think that the Jags would trade him to the Colts. If he ended up with them, that would be after his rookie contract is over. Also, by the time his rookie contract is over, some teams may be ready to move on from some other younger QB's who have been struggling. We are already seeing teams move on from young QB's who haven't been given that much of a chance like Dwayne Haskins. So maybe there will be some more open spots for him to possibly getting a starting position that way as well. 

I think whether he's traded or leaves after his rookie contract is up, he will have options/opportunity to possibly start again.

You make so good points about his contract ending. He will still be only 26 when his rookie deal ends and when you look at QB's able to play up to around 40, I think he will feel he still has plenty of time to have a career. Obviously he has limitations but a good coaching staff play to your strengths and hide your weaknesses. His stats from play action are really good, I agree with better coaching and a system more suited to his strengths and he could get you wins. 

Also a good point with the older generation of QBs moving on. Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Ryan, Rivers etc, guys whose names we have heard for years but no one beats the clock. Young QB's can have a very steep grading curve. Bortles, a 1st round pick without a team, Rosen already a backup, are Darnold, Mayfield, Wentz, Goff still going to be at their teams in 5 years...I'm not sure.

Yeah, and his age is another big reason why I don't see Gardner being a long term backup for the Jags. I don't see him at 26 resigning himself to being a longterm/career backup. He will still be young.  I had mentioned this before but he's not someone like a Chase Daniels who only seems to care about making money as a backup and not really starting. And he's not old like a Josh McCown who keeps taking backup spots to get extra money and also mentor. 

And you bring up good points when you mention the current and future canvas of this league. Who knows where some of these QB's will be in a few years. Not only the ones that you mentioned, but even people like Derek Carr, Matthew Stafford, who are still starters but haven't really done a lot with their teams. We could see a lot of shifting/changing of the guard in the next few years. Gardner may be able to fit in there somewhere as a starter for another team.

(10-19-2020, 07:12 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 02:16 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed.  He is a cheap and solid backup with 2 years left on his rookie deal.  If you could get a 3rd or 4th for him, I think the new GM would consider it.  But pretty sure no one will give you that at this point.

I think he could be worth a lower 4th, but I wouldn't trade him. Who knows if the rookie is ready next year or if the OL improves enough to keep from ruining him.

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Our interior O-line is above average... might be the best part of our entire team.  The tackles are getting exposed.  But Minshew often holds on to the ball too long and doesn't help his big guys out much either.  The protection issues are on Minshew as much as they are on the o-line.

As far as his perceived value in the League, I'd say someone might give us a 5th. But I'd rather hang on to him as a back up for 2 years if that's all we can get. No one is looking at him as their next starter. Replacing Big Ben in Pittsburgh or Brees in New Orleans is comical.

At this point I’m ok drafting Fields or giving someone else the chance next year. Minshew is even starting to look rough for a back up!