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Couple things
This defense better be top 5 with all the additions they’ve made. They have heavily invested key assets into this defense. If they flounder, it won’t be pretty.
I’m not upset at Walker and Lloyd but the Jags needed an influx of speed at the playmaker position. They didn’t draft that at all…. Not even taking flyers in the late rounds on WRs. They just kept taking corners for whatever reason. I’m not even saying that the late round WRs are going to be great but at least take a chance.
Maybe they can take a flyer on Fuller or someone after signing Cam to an extension.
Overall, excited to watch this D and am skeptical of the offense taking a big leap (although Pederson may be able to work some magic).
(05-01-2022, 09:45 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Couple things
This defense better be top 5 with all the additions they’ve made. They have heavily invested key assets into this defense. If they flounder, it won’t be pretty.
I’m not upset at Walker and Lloyd but the Jags needed an influx of speed at the playmaker position. They didn’t draft that at all…. Not even taking flyers in the late rounds on WRs. They just kept taking corners for whatever reason. I’m not even saying that the late round WRs are going to be great but at least take a chance.
Maybe they can take a flyer on Fuller or someone after signing Cam to an extension.
Overall, excited to watch this D and am skeptical of the offense taking a big leap (although Pederson may be able to work some magic).
Your last line sums up my thoughts on the weekend.
(05-01-2022, 09:45 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Couple things
This defense better be top 5 with all the additions they’ve made. They have heavily invested key assets into this defense. If they flounder, it won’t be pretty.
I’m not upset at Walker and Lloyd but the Jags needed an influx of speed at the playmaker position. They didn’t draft that at all…. Not even taking flyers in the late rounds on WRs. They just kept taking corners for whatever reason. I’m not even saying that the late round WRs are going to be great but at least take a chance.
Maybe they can take a flyer on Fuller or someone after signing Cam to an extension.
Overall, excited to watch this D and am skeptical of the offense taking a big leap (although Pederson may be able to work some magic).
Seems like you're giving them credit for assembling a top-5 defense. Is that your intent?
I don't think any defense can go from the bottom to the top in one year. But if they have, as you suggest, that's an incredible achievement.
(05-01-2022, 01:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 01:28 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Exhibit A on how not to be a mod.
1. Enters thread and adds nothing of value to a thread.
2. Derails thread while hurling insults. Crying like a little girl. Someone must have peed in his cheerios or in his face.
3. While I have already said it's a new day with Pederson and the new regime, continues to clinch his butt to the past. Like an old man shaking a stick. Broken records
Back to the block list with negative Nancy here. I guess the standards to be a mod are low on duval pride. Clowns running the circus.
Holding you accountable to the many pages of garbage we all endured from you while you casually attempt to act as if it never happened.
That's all.
Carry on.
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Here's something happy and positive for all the real fans out there:
https://twitter.com/osdnmedia/status/152...1PcdGnvgEg
Cutting onions over here.
(04-30-2022, 11:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]With the defensive history of the few competitive eras/seasons thus team has had since 1995, part of me really loves an offensive coach coming in and getting on board with making the defense a potential powerhouse.
I want an XWR, an additional TE, and one more OL piece as much as the next guy, but I'm excited for this defense.
I really hate agreeing with you… besides the number one pick, the draft was solid…
I feel kind of how I felt after FA, we got better but not by the extent we should have considering we had the #1 pick in every round and an extra high third rounder. Just looking at a lot of other teams without nearly the capital we had and I am very jealous of their classes.
I actually like the Walker pick more than almost everyone here. I think his floor is higher than people say and obviously his ceiling is immense.
I love Lloyd the player, but if they were really open to taking another LB in the third then it was a shortsighted trade. Just taking one glance at this LB class it was obvious there was going to be a really good LB at 65 or 70. Trading up and passing on two important opportunities to add a pass catcher and speed to the offense to take a LB when you knew you were going to get another very good one in the 3rd was not a good way to build the roster IMO. We could have had Muma, Skyy or Pickens, and Jelani or Dulcich or Tom instead of just Muma and LLoyd...and I think we would be a better team if we had spread the wealth.
I think day 3 was a disaster from every angle.
Thank god we got Austin in UDFA. I will be surprised if our UDFA class isn't better than our day 3 class lol.
(05-01-2022, 01:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 01:28 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Exhibit A on how not to be a mod.
1. Enters thread and adds nothing of value to a thread.
2. Derails thread while hurling insults. Crying like a little girl. Someone must have peed in his cheerios or in his face.
3. While I have already said it's a new day with Pederson and the new regime, continues to clinch his butt to the past. Like an old man shaking a stick. Broken records
Back to the block list with negative Nancy here. I guess the standards to be a mod are low on duval pride. Clowns running the circus.
Holding you accountable to the many pages of garbage we all endured from you while you casually attempt to act as if it never happened.
That's all.
Carry on.
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Here's something happy and positive for all the real fans out there:
https://twitter.com/osdnmedia/status/152...1PcdGnvgEg
Awesome find, definitely brought a smile to my face.
I don't like the front office. Overspent in free agency resetting the market in bad ways. Bullseye had a nice consequence thread on how it pushed the WR run in the draft. We had bad fits with our draft picks and no one wants to trade down with us.
Running 3-4 hybrid stuff takes a committment to drafting LBs so no issues there. True 3-4 teams draft that way all the time. We are too broken to fix much with one draft. Much to my disdain of Baalke, he worked the board without panic and didn't do the typical super reach on needs picks but I still don't like him.
Oh well we will see. I just wish we didn't screw last year up so bad. Turn the page.
Edit:
Nice video on that kid. Nice Psalm 121 family shirts. Their hope comes from the Lord. Yes Sir and Yes Lord!
Fan perception is a funny thing yes we need a wide receiver but you can’t fill every hole in a single season the value simply didn’t add up to where we were picking, we all think we know best, and if you read through the pages of pre draft talk half this bored would of been over the moon with Ross in the 4/5th round and called it a good draft, in reality not a single team in the league has tried to pick him up at this moment. Just because you think a certain player is better doesn’t mean it’s a bad draft it’s all opinions at this moment.
Looking at the jags in this draft it’s clear they went with what they believed was best player available. Yes I preferred hutch but obviously jags think walker is the better player. No point being mad just wait and see what happens. The draft is a lottery always will be
(05-01-2022, 10:31 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 09:45 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Couple things
This defense better be top 5 with all the additions they’ve made. They have heavily invested key assets into this defense. If they flounder, it won’t be pretty.
I’m not upset at Walker and Lloyd but the Jags needed an influx of speed at the playmaker position. They didn’t draft that at all…. Not even taking flyers in the late rounds on WRs. They just kept taking corners for whatever reason. I’m not even saying that the late round WRs are going to be great but at least take a chance.
Maybe they can take a flyer on Fuller or someone after signing Cam to an extension.
Overall, excited to watch this D and am skeptical of the offense taking a big leap (although Pederson may be able to work some magic).
Seems like you're giving them credit for assembling a top-5 defense. Is that your intent?
I don't think any defense can go from the bottom to the top in one year. But if they have, as you suggest, that's an incredible achievement.
No. Im saying that they spent a ton of money on defense, used 3 of their first 4 picks on defense and spent even more draft picks on defense.
This better turn around fast and into an elite defense very quickly.
I think the offense will be very behind the D.
(05-01-2022, 10:31 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 09:45 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Couple things
This defense better be top 5 with all the additions they’ve made. They have heavily invested key assets into this defense. If they flounder, it won’t be pretty.
I’m not upset at Walker and Lloyd but the Jags needed an influx of speed at the playmaker position. They didn’t draft that at all…. Not even taking flyers in the late rounds on WRs. They just kept taking corners for whatever reason. I’m not even saying that the late round WRs are going to be great but at least take a chance.
Maybe they can take a flyer on Fuller or someone after signing Cam to an extension.
Overall, excited to watch this D and am skeptical of the offense taking a big leap (although Pederson may be able to work some magic).
Seems like you're giving them credit for assembling a top-5 defense. Is that your intent?
I don't think any defense can go from the bottom to the top in one year. But if they have, as you suggest, that's an incredible achievement.
I think we will be a top 10 defense this year. I'm going to say 7 or 8 overall defense.
(05-01-2022, 11:23 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 10:31 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like you're giving them credit for assembling a top-5 defense. Is that your intent?
I don't think any defense can go from the bottom to the top in one year. But if they have, as you suggest, that's an incredible achievement.
No. Im saying that they spent a ton of money on defense, used 3 of their first 4 picks on defense and spent even more draft picks on defense.
This better turn around fast and into an elite defense very quickly.
I think the offense will be very behind the D.
They'll be a lot better, but with so many new players, some of them rookies, it'll take time.
Also, I don't know what you mean when you say, "They better..." Usually, "They better..." is followed by, "...or..." So, they better turn around fast, or what?
(05-01-2022, 11:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 10:31 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like you're giving them credit for assembling a top-5 defense. Is that your intent?
I don't think any defense can go from the bottom to the top in one year. But if they have, as you suggest, that's an incredible achievement.
I think we will be a top 10 defense this year. I'm going to say 7 or 8 overall defense.
I'm going to say 10th to 12th. So many new players, including quite a few rookies who've never played a down in the NFL.
(05-01-2022, 11:23 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 10:31 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like you're giving them credit for assembling a top-5 defense. Is that your intent?
I don't think any defense can go from the bottom to the top in one year. But if they have, as you suggest, that's an incredible achievement.
No. Im saying that they spent a ton of money on defense, used 3 of their first 4 picks on defense and spent even more draft picks on defense.
This better turn around fast and into an elite defense very quickly.
I think the offense will be very behind the D.
I think if Etienne is 100% by week 1 I feel alot better about the offense. Etienne will be a big key for this offense imo.
(05-01-2022, 11:56 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 11:23 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]No. Im saying that they spent a ton of money on defense, used 3 of their first 4 picks on defense and spent even more draft picks on defense.
This better turn around fast and into an elite defense very quickly.
I think the offense will be very behind the D.
They'll be a lot better, but with so many new players, some of them rookies, it'll take time.
Also, I don't know what you mean when you say, "They better..." Usually, "They better..." is followed by, "...or..." So, they better turn around fast, or what?
(05-01-2022, 11:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think we will be a top 10 defense this year. I'm going to say 7 or 8 overall defense.
I'm going to say 10th to 12th. So many new players, including quite a few rookies who've never played a down in the NFL.
Lloyd is a rookie but he is a very experienced one and I don't think he will play like a rookie. I think he becomes the leader of our D pretty early and makes the Pro Bowl as a rookie. First player since Josh Allen to do that for us. Our defense hasn't been the same since Poz left and one of the biggest reasons for that imo was the leadership. I think Lloyd brings that day 1
Jaguars defense last year was close to the bottom in:
Sacks
1st down allowed rate
turnovers
amound many other bad stats
People have short memories and forget how often teams drove up and down the field on us. I think we allowed a record in opening scoring drives against us. We needed Defense bad. This also hurt Lawrence due to the fact we played from behind consistently.
There are many ways to look at the draft and break it down. We can speculate about positions they didn't address - whether they like what they have more than we do, or just couldn't do it all in one year. It's all worthy of speculating and discussing.
But, at the end of the day, they landed a pass rusher, two quality LBs, a solid IOL player, and a RB for depth or committee rotation.
That's four out of six needs I would have addressed in a perfect world where everything falls like you want it to.
Not bad, IMO.
Just gotta' wait and see how these players pan out.
- RUN DEFENSE: added 5 pieces - NT/DT Fatukasi , ILB Oluokun, ILB Muma , versatile LB Lloyd, NB/CB Williams
- PASS DEFENSE: added the CB Williams + pass rushers Key and Walker + Lloyd as a situational blitzer plus all three new linebackers are upgrades in coverage ability over the prior starters.
I could imagine the run defense leaping from mid-twenties to low teens and the pass defense could go from allowing a 69% completion rate to something in the 63-64% range with a healthy yards per game shrinkage as well.
Fingers crossed
(05-01-2022, 12:11 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Jaguars defense last year was close to the bottom in:
Sacks
1st down allowed rate
turnovers
amound many other bad stats
People have short memories and forget how often teams drove up and down the field on us. I think we allowed a record in opening scoring drives against us. We needed Defense bad. This also hurt Lawrence due to the fact we played from behind consistently.
I remember. Our D was getting gassed by halftime because they couldn’t stop 4th down conversions. We should have named the stadium Open Flats.
(05-01-2022, 07:10 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]It's factual that no matter how good our team does in some eyes, they've committed fraud in other's eyes. This was a Damn Good draft in My Eyes.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
I wouldn't say "damn good" just yet.
Underrated? Absolutely.
I'm seeing a lot of observers (PFF, That Franchise Guy) bash the picks because they are the Jaguars and it's habitual for them to bash the Jaguars.
To be clear, there is ample reason to bash the Walker pick as an unnecessary gamble.
But pre draft, I didn't see ANYONE dislike Devin Lloyd or Chad Muma.
But arguably the strength of the Jaguars draft is being assailed by PFF and TFG.
(05-01-2022, 12:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There are many ways to look at the draft and break it down. We can speculate about positions they didn't address - whether they like what they have more than we do, or just couldn't do it all in one year. It's all worthy of speculating and discussing.
But, at the end of the day, they landed a pass rusher, two quality LBs, a solid IOL player, and a RB for depth or committee rotation.
That's four out of six needs I would have addressed in a perfect world where everything falls like you want it to.
Not bad, IMO.
Just gotta' wait and see how these players pan out.
- RUN DEFENSE: added 5 pieces - NT/DT Fatukasi , ILB Oluokun, ILB Muma , versatile LB Lloyd, NB/CB Williams
- PASS DEFENSE: added the CB Williams + pass rushers Key and Walker + Lloyd as a situational blitzer plus all three new linebackers are upgrades in coverage ability over the prior starters.
I could imagine the run defense leaping from mid-twenties to low teens and the pass defense could go from allowing a 69% completion rate to something in the 63-64% range with a healthy yards per game shrinkage as well.
Fingers crossed
Add Walker to the run defense as well. He's very good in run D
(05-01-2022, 07:10 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]It's factual that no matter how good our team does in some eyes, they've committed fraud in other's eyes. This was a Damn Good draft in My Eyes.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
I was a little surprised by the Walker selection, not because he doesn't have potential to be a terrific player but because I thought Hutchison was more ready for day 1. That said, the complaining about Walker is a little over the top in some comments. I agree it was a pretty good draft, I really liked the selection of Lloyd who could easily have gone much higher and Fortner who I think will be a quality starter on the OL by the end of the season.
You can't rebuild it in one draft. They worked on the offense last year but Urbs no doubt interfered. If you look at the projected starters, this defense suddenly looks pretty formidable. Might be another year before they can do that with the offense but I like where this is headed. I have knocked Baalke in the past but I think he did a creditable job this offseason.
(05-01-2022, 11:56 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 11:23 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]No. Im saying that they spent a ton of money on defense, used 3 of their first 4 picks on defense and spent even more draft picks on defense.
This better turn around fast and into an elite defense very quickly.
I think the offense will be very behind the D.
They'll be a lot better, but with so many new players, some of them rookies, it'll take time.
Also, I don't know what you mean when you say, "They better..." Usually, "They better..." is followed by, "...or..." So, they better turn around fast, or what?
(05-01-2022, 11:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think we will be a top 10 defense this year. I'm going to say 7 or 8 overall defense.
I'm going to say 10th to 12th. So many new players, including quite a few rookies who've never played a down in the NFL.
They better turn it around fast or all that money spent and all those draft picks will be for not and it’ll be another wasted off season by the Jags.
I got some faith in Pederson/Caldwell for the defense but I was preaching all off season about surrounding Trevor with playmakers.
They added Kirk and then just about nothing. Zay Jones is a no body for me. Look at these other teams man. Fins added Tyreek for Tua. Zach Wilson now has Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore, Michael Carter, Conklin, Breece Hall and others. Eagles added AJ Brown. For me, it’s about being aggressive when you have a young QB on a rookie contract. I don’t think they were aggressive enough on the offensive side of the ball and my guess is that it’ll show this season. The saving grace is Pederson and Trevor. They may be able to hide the lack of speed and talent on offense.
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