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I hear some say that the Jaguars didn't do much this off-season for offense. When Trevor steps onto the field this year, he will typically have Kirk, M. Jones, Z. Jones, Engram and Etienne as receiving options. 4 out of the 5 will be new to him this year. As for the group protecting him, they added an All Pro offensive lineman in Scherff. Many believe that Little will take over and upgrade our right tackle position. If our rookie center earns a starting role, that could be 3 out of our 5 linemen upgraded. That's a lot of change in one off-season. I also think we'll have far better coaching.
I'm also one who believes that preventing a touchdown is just as valuable as scoring a touchdown. I also think a good defense helps your offense. Not being behind 0-7 or 0-14 to start the game allows the offense to maintain better balance and be less predictable. Additionally, better field position helps an offense score points. More possessions helps an offense score points. Getting to face a tired defense because the other team just went three and out helps an offense score points. We made major upgrades to our defense which besides lowering our opponent's score should also help our offense score points.
A teams best offense is its defence
As much as I do think we helped the defense, I still worry about the ability to generate pressure. They did have an in ability to get off the field due to many issues the last few years, but a major part of that was inconsistent and weak QB pressure. There were just way too many 3 and longs that teams managed to convert.
I presume Caldwell's scheme will take a lot of blitz packages and looks from Bowles to help with that. But I just worry about relying on the scheme to generate the pressure for this season while the Jags develop Walker.
(05-01-2022, 09:45 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Couple things
This defense better be top 5 with all the additions they’ve made. They have heavily invested key assets into this defense. If they flounder, it won’t be pretty.
I’m not upset at Walker and Lloyd but the Jags needed an influx of speed at the playmaker position. They didn’t draft that at all…. Not even taking flyers in the late rounds on WRs. They just kept taking corners for whatever reason. I’m not even saying that the late round WRs are going to be great but at least take a chance.
Maybe they can take a flyer on Fuller or someone after signing Cam to an extension.
Overall, excited to watch this D and am skeptical of the offense taking a big leap (although Pederson may be able to work some magic).
Did you watch Herndon and Claybrooks play last year? Actually, I retract the question. It's hard to call their time on the field as "playing".
There were different directions the Jaguars could have gone with the late round picks, but we did have a big need when it came to cornerback depth.
(05-01-2022, 09:45 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Couple things
This defense better be top 5 with all the additions they’ve made. They have heavily invested key assets into this defense. If they flounder, it won’t be pretty.
I’m not upset at Walker and Lloyd but the Jags needed an influx of speed at the playmaker position. They didn’t draft that at all…. Not even taking flyers in the late rounds on WRs. They just kept taking corners for whatever reason. I’m not even saying that the late round WRs are going to be great but at least take a chance.
Maybe they can take a flyer on Fuller or someone after signing Cam to an extension.
Overall, excited to watch this D and am skeptical of the offense taking a big leap (although Pederson may be able to work some magic).
Did you watch Herndon and Claybrooks play last year? Actually, I retract the question. It's hard to call their time on the field as "playing".
There were different directions the Jaguars could have gone with the late round picks, but we did have a big need when it came to cornerback depth.
(04-30-2022, 09:52 PM)jrvegeeta Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2022, 09:13 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude, Walker was not the best player at his position, let alone in the draft.
How exactly do you know that? I saw that thread with Walker vs. Neal and yes, Neal dominated - but let me lay down some reality that scouts know, but fans seem to ignore:
1. No player is perfect - there will always be a instance or even 2 where a player just isn't his best. Walker's just happened to be Alabama. Also, be happy that it happened against Alabama and not somebody like New Mexico State. Alabama is a dominate team that seems to beat nearly every team's best players with their own players along with superior coaching.
2. Neal dominated nearly EVERYONE. There's a reason why he was rated as the best OT in the draft. That said, even he has a weakness or two.
3. Before the championship game, Alabama made the decision to stop Walker at ALL cost because they viewed him as the best DL on the team. It worked - they kept him from wreaking havoc like he does to other teams.... but the cost to Alabama was by no means worth it as everyone else on Georgia's DL made life miserable for Young, which lead to Alabama get murdered in the 2nd half of the NC game.
I will grant you, I would've preferred the Jags picked Neal as their #1, but if they really felt that they had to go with potentially dominated DL, I'm not mad with this pick at all. I'm just happy they didn't try to reach for a WR like I was hearing from some radio stations.
Walker had a qb hit that should have been a sack and missed another tackle for loss.
For 12 reps that's a plus for walker.
Walker was just an unnecessary gamble - Hutch was a much more established pass rusher and team leader.
Lloyd sounds great but we could have used that tradeup for a #1 WR or Linderbaum. We got a a LB very early in the draft and a center later on . . . those should have been swapped.
If we hadn't taken Lloyd I'd be happy with Muma.
We didn't get a WR or TE, but we got 2 LBs. Swell.
I am happy that we've bolstered the defense. I just think our number one asset is Trevor, and our primary focus should have been protecting him and getting him great targets. We fell short on that.
(05-01-2022, 04:58 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]Walker was just an unnecessary gamble - Hutch was a much more established pass rusher and team leader.
Lloyd sounds great but we could have used that tradeup for a #1 WR or Linderbaum. We got a a LB very early in the draft and a center later on . . . those should have been swapped.
If we hadn't taken Lloyd I'd be happy with Muma.
We didn't get a WR or TE, but we got 2 LBs. Swell.
I am happy that we've bolstered the defense. I just think our number one asset is Trevor, and our primary focus should have been protecting him and getting him great targets. We fell short on that.
As someone who loves Chad Muma as a prospect, Devin Lloyd has legitimate top player in the draft ability, insanely good leader and has a versaltile skill set. No WR/OL available at 27 was worth it over Lloyd.
(05-01-2022, 02:33 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I hear some say that the Jaguars didn't do much this off-season for offense. When Trevor steps onto the field this year, he will typically have Kirk, M. Jones, Z. Jones, Engram and Etienne as receiving options. 4 out of the 5 will be new to him this year. As for the group protecting him, they added an All Pro offensive lineman in Scherff. Many believe that Little will take over and upgrade our right tackle position. If our rookie center earns a starting role, that could be 3 out of our 5 linemen upgraded. That's a lot of change in one off-season. I also think we'll have far better coaching.
I'm also one who believes that preventing a touchdown is just as valuable as scoring a touchdown. I also think a good defense helps your offense. Not being behind 0-7 or 0-14 to start the game allows the offense to maintain better balance and be less predictable. Additionally, better field position helps an offense score points. More possessions helps an offense score points. Getting to face a tired defense because the other team just went three and out helps an offense score points. We made major upgrades to our defense which besides lowering our opponent's score should also help our offense score points.
Inject into my veins. ^^
Also, it's good logic.
(05-01-2022, 02:45 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I do think we helped the defense, I still worry about the ability to generate pressure. They did have an in ability to get off the field due to many issues the last few years, but a major part of that was inconsistent and weak QB pressure. There were just way too many 3 and longs that teams managed to convert.
I presume Caldwell's scheme will take a lot of blitz packages and looks from Bowles to help with that. But I just worry about relying on the scheme to generate the pressure for this season while the Jags develop Walker.
Taking this opportunity to comment since many are repeating this. So the comment is not aimed at you.
Why is anyone buying the narrative that Travon is a project? From day one, he will set the edge. From day one, he will get penetration. From day one, teams will have to game plan around him. His worth to the team does not rise and fall on sack totals. Just because he plays OLB does not mean he is going to be a sack specialist. This player will do many things including set Devin Lloyd and Josh Allen free to go headhunting. We need to get beyond the "he didn't have many sacks in college" tunnel vision. Jordan Davis and Nakobe Dean each separately said he was the best player on their defense.
Have some faith in the coaching staff and FO, guys. We got a good one.
(05-01-2022, 01:43 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]And here's a table of a ton of post draft grades, which doesn't factor in draft capital.
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I wouldn't put too much stock into those draft grades. We've been typically graded towards the top in past drafts and we've seen how that's turned out.
(05-01-2022, 06:10 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 01:43 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]And here's a table of a ton of post draft grades, which doesn't factor in draft capital.
I wouldn't put too much stock into those draft grades. We've been typically graded towards the top in past drafts and we've seen how that's turned out.
If anything, it causes me to be more skeptical regarding PFF and PFN. PFF consistently had Walker ranked around 5th - 9th when I did my dozens of mock drafts. They are simply justifying their evaluations.
This whole draft grade bs right after said draft is ridiculous. We can't begin to judge until we see these rookies take some snaps in the league.
We also seem to "win" the offseason having home run drafts only for the players to look like bums. Break the trend
Imagine a teacher giving you an A or F before you even took the test. Gotta love it!
Dude... I am just going to let it play out just like they let their draft play out. I see a lot of good football players in this class that clearly look better and show more potential over the last two dog [BLEEP] rosters and dog [BLEEP] coaching staffs that were here.
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(05-01-2022, 06:27 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This whole draft grade bs right after said draft is ridiculous. We can't begin to judge until we see these rookies take some snaps in the league.
...and then after three games you can start a thread calling them horrendous, amirite?
(05-01-2022, 07:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 06:27 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This whole draft grade bs right after said draft is ridiculous. We can't begin to judge until we see these rookies take some snaps in the league.
...and then after three preseason games you can start a thread calling them horrendous, amirite?
FIFY
Best available player doesn't work.
(05-01-2022, 10:11 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Best available player doesn't work.
That all depends on who the "best available" is on the board you created. No?
Fun fact we according to the sports writers we had a draft grade of A+/- 2015 thru 2020 and all that time we had 1 good year that was mostly due to free agents (2017) Last year was a C and this year we are getting what D's? so I look for our team to get better !!
(05-01-2022, 12:45 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Defense wins championships. We play in a division with Henry and a physical Colts team. As Baalke said all it takes is one injury and we are in trouble.
Insane you guys are complaining we got a leader and great value pick with Lloyd and 27th overall and then get a steal in round 3 with Muma.
The steelers seem to draft a lb in the first round almost every year and they are always competive. Playing a 3-4 we need tons of linebackers.
I for one have zero hate for them sticking to their value board.
People still say this? like the Rams? Colts? Tampa 2020? Kansas? Eagles?
(04-30-2022, 10:00 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (04-30-2022, 09:13 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude, Walker was not the best player at his position, let alone in the draft.
What a way to judge a player before they take a snap.
Then it doesn't matter who they picked you could still say he was BAP. Any coach/gm can claim they picked BAP, doesn't mean it is true.
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