(05-02-2022, 07:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 02:38 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]A teams best offense is its defence
1976 wants its philosophy back thanks.
Well maybe 2017 is calling anyway.
But I get it. Defenses can't win you games like it used to but a crappy defense can certainly lose games for you. A good defense can also keep you in games as we saw from time to time last year. If the thinking is, hey not everything can be fixed in one year so let's build a league leading defense first and work on the offense in year two, I would understand that.
(04-30-2022, 11:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]In a League designed for offense and with a generational talent at QB...we took linebackers and cornerbacks.
we spent like madmen on offense in FA, so it kinda makes sense that they chased affordability on the other side of the ball.
(05-01-2022, 12:41 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 12:29 AM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Lol jaguarsemp u been thru quite the attitude change
Went from clowns , khan and flamimg tlaw
To being the most positive happygolucky jags supporter post draft
Truthfully the most critical fans are the most invested. If you watch hot garbage and don't call it out, you probably don't care much. He obviously cares as do I. Jaguar football is one of my favorite things to keep up with.. even if it's mostly depressing during the actual games lol.
"irrational" would have been the word I'd use, but go ahead.
Just because someone is passionate about a team doesn't mean they have to make themselves look the fool to prove their commitment.
(05-01-2022, 01:28 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 01:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Always funny to see chuckleheads tripping over their own genitals to back track on their own hot takes to make some half [BLEEP] attempt at reason
LOL
I'd give it the time of day had i not waded through page after page of your idiotic whining.
Exhibit A on how not to be a mod.
1. Enters thread and adds nothing of value to a thread.
2. Derails thread while hurling insults. Crying like a little girl. Someone must have peed in his cheerios or in his face.
3. While I have already said it's a new day with Pederson and the new regime, continues to clinch his butt to the past. Like an old man shaking a stick. Broken records
Back to the block list with negative Nancy here. I guess the standards to be a mod are low on duval pride. Clowns running the circus.
man, don't react to it. Always the better look to dismiss the attempt to instigate.
Nice to see the guys on 1010 are among us complainers . . .
Just because you draft a guy doesn’t mean it will work
Out, you have to trust your board.
The eagles have spent 3 first round picks in the pat 7 years on wide receivers and haven’t had a 1000 yard receiver since 2014.
If the value isn’t there at your pick you can’t take one just for the sake of it
(05-02-2022, 09:15 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 08:43 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Which reinforces my belief the FO is building each side of the ball in successive years. Lawrence is young and growing, we have time.
You’re most likely right but my issue stems from maximizing Trevor while he’s on his rookie contract.
In 2 years, when the Jags (hopefully) accumulate offensive playmakers, Trevor will (hopefully) command a 300 million dollar contract.
And when he does it will be extremely important to have defensive stars on rookie deals to keep that side from cratering. Just look at the collapse of Seattle once Russ got paid. The legion of boom disintegrated and they haven't been the same since. (It wasn't because they lost their great DCs, I'll tell you that). You can see the same starting in KC, as the QB gets paid, the surrounding cast begins to part ways and the team is left to rebuild through the darft.
(04-30-2022, 11:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]With the defensive history of the few competitive eras/seasons thus team has had since 1995, part of me really loves an offensive coach coming in and getting on board with making the defense a potential powerhouse.
I want an XWR, an additional TE, and one more OL piece as much as the next guy, but I'm excited for this defense.
My thoughts exactly. My theory is with Pedersons offensive scheme and the guys we have on offense the offense is going to take a good step forward with the moves in FA.
Can't get everything in one off season. If the defense can keep opponents from scoring much that helps Trev and the offense immensely.
(05-02-2022, 09:45 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 07:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]1976 wants its philosophy back thanks.
Well maybe 2017 is calling anyway.
But I get it. Defenses can't win you games like it used to but a crappy defense can certainly lose games for you. A good defense can also keep you in games as we saw from time to time last year. If the thinking is, hey not everything can be fixed in one year so let's build a league leading defense first and work on the offense in year two, I would understand that.
No, no, no. That was ALL Blake Bortles.
(05-02-2022, 06:06 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2022, 02:33 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I hear some say that the Jaguars didn't do much this off-season for offense. When Trevor steps onto the field this year, he will typically have Kirk, M. Jones, Z. Jones, Engram and Etienne as receiving options. 4 out of the 5 will be new to him this year. As for the group protecting him, they added an All Pro offensive lineman in Scherff. Many believe that Little will take over and upgrade our right tackle position. If our rookie center earns a starting role, that could be 3 out of our 5 linemen upgraded. That's a lot of change in one off-season. I also think we'll have far better coaching.
I'm also one who believes that preventing a touchdown is just as valuable as scoring a touchdown. I also think a good defense helps your offense. Not being behind 0-7 or 0-14 to start the game allows the offense to maintain better balance and be less predictable. Additionally, better field position helps an offense score points. More possessions helps an offense score points. Getting to face a tired defense because the other team just went three and out helps an offense score points. We made major upgrades to our defense which besides lowering our opponent's score should also help our offense score points.
Kirk and Zay Jones are like the offensive versions of our DL signings from last year, although nobody argues we dramatically overpaid for any of our DL signings.
Wait. You are comparing the contracts of Roy Robertson (4 yrs $24m) and Smoot (2 yrs $14m) to that of Christian Kirk (4 yrs $72m) and Zay Jones (3 yrs $24m) ?
Smoot and Jones perhaps but the Robertson contract is vastly different than that of Kirk.
(05-02-2022, 10:28 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 09:15 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You’re most likely right but my issue stems from maximizing Trevor while he’s on his rookie contract.
In 2 years, when the Jags (hopefully) accumulate offensive playmakers, Trevor will (hopefully) command a 300 million dollar contract.
And when he does it will be extremely important to have defensive stars on rookie deals to keep that side from cratering. Just look at the collapse of Seattle once Russ got paid. The legion of boom disintegrated and they haven't been the same since. (It wasn't because they lost their great DCs, I'll tell you that). You can see the same starting in KC, as the QB gets paid, the surrounding cast begins to part ways and the team is left to rebuild through the darft.
So let’s say in 2 years, they gotta give 300mill.
Then, the year after, they gotta give Campbell, Lloyd, Walker and Muma massive extensions (if they do work out which we all hope).
You have to maximize the time you have when you have a gifted young QB. Surround them with elite skill players. As good as the Jags defense may be this year, they’ll need to score points to keep up with the Bengals, Chiefs, Bills, Chargers, Broncos etc.
I really like what the Jets have done surrounding Wilson with offensive talent. I wish the Jags had taken Elijah Moore instead of ETN but here we are. Hopefully Pederson is cooking up something good.
Oh the current management team could have made most of you happy if they had built their board based on popular opinion. In fact we have been doing that the 10 years prior to last year. We get A's for drafting everyone is ok with the selections and we win the off season. Then during the season the picks are crucified the coaches dismissed etc. These guys are doing it a different way we just have to hope it works out. At least it is being done their way which is appropriate as it is their reputations not ours.
Montaric Brown had the 3rd lowest passer rating allowed last year in man coverage? Only behind Gardner and Gordon in that area. That's a nice get there to close out the draft class.
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(05-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 10:28 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]And when he does it will be extremely important to have defensive stars on rookie deals to keep that side from cratering. Just look at the collapse of Seattle once Russ got paid. The legion of boom disintegrated and they haven't been the same since. (It wasn't because they lost their great DCs, I'll tell you that). You can see the same starting in KC, as the QB gets paid, the surrounding cast begins to part ways and the team is left to rebuild through the darft.
So let’s say in 2 years, they gotta give 300mill.
Then, the year after, they gotta give Campbell, Lloyd, Walker and Muma massive extensions (if they do work out which we all hope).
You have to maximize the time you have when you have a gifted young QB. Surround them with elite skill players. As good as the Jags defense may be this year, they’ll need to score points to keep up with the Bengals, Chiefs, Bills, Chargers, Broncos etc.
I really like what the Jets have done surrounding Wilson with offensive talent. I wish the Jags had taken Elijah Moore instead of ETN but here we are. Hopefully Pederson is cooking up something good.
Welcome to the salary cap.
Campbell is a zone-specific CB, or at least thusfar that's what he's proven to be. If that is his ceiling, I would suggest that you can find similar capability in the darft. He's also an R2 pick, so any deal he gets will be done the same year we're on TLaw's 5th year option, which might be his best chance of getting a big payday from us.
Lloyd, Walker and Muma will have the next 4-5 years to assert themselves as the identity of this D. We're likely not going to renew all 3, especially if TLaw does warrant a megadeal. That's just the reality of football. LB tend not to be excessively expensive tags, which may benefit us, but eventually we are likely going to have to cut bait with or or two of this year's top picks in exchange for a franchise QB deal.
Like you said, over the next two years we'll likely begin replacing our pricey FA with younger guys. I like the overlap/cyclical replacement schedule that is being built. It will allow for youth and veterans to keep the window of opportunity open longer than if say, we darfted 3 WR this year, rolled with whatever D we could either sign in FA or carry from last season, and faced the prospect of paying TLaw a megadeal and immediately having to decide the fate of the remainder of the passing game in the same breath. I foresee the team reevaluating Kirk and Jones within the next two years, darfting someone to replace the one most underperforming in comparison to their price tag, and then repeating that step again the year after. If we're lucky, at least one proves to be a bargain; if not, we have the luxury of taking guys where they fit, rather than desperately swinging to fill a vacuum, as we saw with Green Bay this darft.
I guess I don't see our approach as dire as you might.
(05-02-2022, 09:45 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 07:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]1976 wants its philosophy back thanks.
Well maybe 2017 is calling anyway.
But I get it. Defenses can't win you games like it used to but a crappy defense can certainly lose games for you. A good defense can also keep you in games as we saw from time to time last year. If the thinking is, hey not everything can be fixed in one year so let's build a league leading defense first and work on the offense in year two, I would understand that.
C'mon man, the 2017 team played a slate of backup QBs that year. It was a once in a million circumstance built on free agency spending not a blueprint for long term success.
(05-02-2022, 11:08 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 09:45 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Well maybe 2017 is calling anyway.
But I get it. Defenses can't win you games like it used to but a crappy defense can certainly lose games for you. A good defense can also keep you in games as we saw from time to time last year. If the thinking is, hey not everything can be fixed in one year so let's build a league leading defense first and work on the offense in year two, I would understand that.
No, no, no. That was ALL Blake Bortles.
So you think that is the model for how we should build our team?
I really like the LBs we picked and if Walker can reach his ceiling I’m sure I will be thrilled with that pick as well.
Hopefully Fortner can earn an IOL spot in year 1 or 2 and solidify one spot on the line.
I also like getting more draft capital next year since we added so many FA this year.
No opinion on the RB and CBs selected. If one of them does anything it would be considered a bonus. I do think they were good fits based on team needs, but people more knowledgeable have questioned the value of the picks.
Of the UDFA I am intrigued by Austin and the kicker. If we had picked either of them in the 6th or 7th, I doubt anyone would be upset.
Overall, I think we will be OK with this draft in 2 years. We might be absolutely thrilled if Walker shows up.
Truth be told, I liked the 7th rd CB more than the 6th. Kid in the 7th has a lot of zone experience, so if we continue in that direction to maximize Campbell's potential, we could see him on the field more.
(05-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 10:28 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]And when he does it will be extremely important to have defensive stars on rookie deals to keep that side from cratering. Just look at the collapse of Seattle once Russ got paid. The legion of boom disintegrated and they haven't been the same since. (It wasn't because they lost their great DCs, I'll tell you that). You can see the same starting in KC, as the QB gets paid, the surrounding cast begins to part ways and the team is left to rebuild through the darft.
So let’s say in 2 years, they gotta give 300mill.
Then, the year after, they gotta give Campbell, Lloyd, Walker and Muma massive extensions (if they do work out which we all hope).
You have to maximize the time you have when you have a gifted young QB. Surround them with elite skill players. As good as the Jags defense may be this year, they’ll need to score points to keep up with the Bengals, Chiefs, Bills, Chargers, Broncos etc.
I really like what the Jets have done surrounding Wilson with offensive talent. I wish the Jags had taken Elijah Moore instead of ETN but here we are. Hopefully Pederson is cooking up something good.
I think your contract years are mixed up.
1st round picks get 5-year contracts and the other get 4-year rookie contracts.
As such, Campbells contract will come up 1st. Followed by Trevor and Muma. Followed by Walker and Lloyd.
(05-02-2022, 06:56 AM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t think the planned defence over offence I just think it’s the way the bored fell on who they had graded , they didn’t take chad muma because they wanted to go defence they picked him because he was the highest rated player , a bad team can’t go wrong with taking good players. Baalke knows we need wrs but it’s a fatal mistake taking one just for the sake of it, we have too many holes to just reach for the sake of it
I think you can maybe say that about Muma, but the rest of the moves absolutely say they had it planned to me. They were not leaving the draft without one of Quay or Lloyd, and once Quay went they made their move to get the other. If the Packers had taken Lloyd I am positive they would have done the same trade to get Quay. They beyond telegraphed their love for Fortner this whole process too.
(05-02-2022, 12:47 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2022, 11:26 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So let’s say in 2 years, they gotta give 300mill.
Then, the year after, they gotta give Campbell, Lloyd, Walker and Muma massive extensions (if they do work out which we all hope).
You have to maximize the time you have when you have a gifted young QB. Surround them with elite skill players. As good as the Jags defense may be this year, they’ll need to score points to keep up with the Bengals, Chiefs, Bills, Chargers, Broncos etc.
I really like what the Jets have done surrounding Wilson with offensive talent. I wish the Jags had taken Elijah Moore instead of ETN but here we are. Hopefully Pederson is cooking up something good.
I think your contract years are mixed up.
1st round picks get 5-year contracts and the other get 4-year rookie contracts.
As such, Campbells contract will come up 1st. Followed by Trevor and Muma. Followed by Walker and Lloyd.
If Trevor is as advertised, he should have a contract extension before his 5th year.