05-01-2022, 04:26 AM
(04-30-2022, 11:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]In a League designed for offense and with a generational talent at QB...we took linebackers and cornerbacks.
We took players to try and slow them down.
(04-30-2022, 11:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]In a League designed for offense and with a generational talent at QB...we took linebackers and cornerbacks.
(05-01-2022, 12:16 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]With as many roster deficiencies we had coming into the draft, we weren't going to adequately fill every hole. There had been mocks in April that had Lloyd in the top of the first round (I'd seen him as high as 9). Conversely, I'd never seen Christian Watson higher than a late 1m but mostly I'd seen him as a 2nd....and as low as a 3rd round pick. I'd seen Muma as a 2nd round pick in some spots.(05-01-2022, 12:08 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Me too.
Listening to/reading the various talking heads, the Lloyd and Muma picks aren't being trashed for value. Everyone says they are good value. The people who are criticising the picks have other reasons for doing so. One guy said the Muma pick wasn't necessary becaus the FO drafted Lloyd and signed Oluakun in free agency.
Meanwhile, I can't wait to see the various personnel groupings and blitz packages the defense will offer.
Everybody constantly complains about this team lacking talent overall. We now add that talent and people are upset about it. Add the top talent regardless of the position and let the coaches figure out what to do with them. That's what the good teams do.
Fit the scheme around the talent, don't try and force players into a scheme. This team has stayed trying to force players into certain schemes and its constantly bit us in the [BLEEP] time and time again.
(05-01-2022, 01:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 01:28 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Exhibit A on how not to be a mod.
1. Enters thread and adds nothing of value to a thread.
2. Derails thread while hurling insults. Crying like a little girl. Someone must have peed in his cheerios or in his face.
3. While I have already said it's a new day with Pederson and the new regime, continues to clinch his butt to the past. Like an old man shaking a stick. Broken records
Back to the block list with negative Nancy here. I guess the standards to be a mod are low on duval pride. Clowns running the circus.
Holding you accountable to the many pages of garbage we all endured from you while you casually attempt to act as if it never happened.
That's all.
Carry on.
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Here's something happy and positive for all the real fans out there:
https://twitter.com/osdnmedia/status/152...1PcdGnvgEg
(05-01-2022, 05:14 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]This was a good draft on paper overall. A good defense can add valuable time of possession or create turnovers for your offense. Between the additions they made and the investments they made in free agency I am not upset about how this draft unfolded.As to your second paragraph, it goes back to what Pederson was saying before the draft...that the depth was not there at WR and interior OL.
There's a reason why a record number of WR's went early in this year's draft between the first two rounds and why a good number of players on offense that we all coveted ultimately ended up falling multiple rounds. It was not a good year on offense class wise.
I think the most overlooked and understated aspect of this off season though has been the fact that Pederson runs an RPO and Lawrence was comfortable and excelled within a RPO system at Clemson. He should be able to showcase his ability and his football IQ more this year. I also trust Pederson as a play caller a whole hell of a lot more than anybody this team has had over the past decade.
Baalke went with value early. I am not going to bash him for that. He signed Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Evan Ingram & Brandon Scherff on offense this year and he already invested a pick/player via trade in Dan Arnold last year and an additional first round selection was made for Etienne. Arnold was actually making some decent progress despite being gained a month into the season. Walker Little was also a 2nd RD pick last year.
I think Fortner and Conner will add a lot of value to the team this year when it's all said and done. We needed a Center with Linder's retirement. We needed a power runner in the backfield and an insurance policy with Robinson and Etienne still on the mend and shaking the rust off. You got that with Conner. Hit the end zone a lot in spite of limited touches in his career.
Everyone wanted a WR. They got one for free essentially yesterday with Kevin Austin and there's still a chance to keep churning the UDFA market or even trade for or sign another veteran. What's funny to me is that, the guy that NEVER drafted a quality WR during his tenure in San Francisco, the guy that got made fun of on here because of his inability to find a quality receiver? Is now getting blasted for not drafting one. It's hilarious. He didn't reach. He didn't take anybody coming off an ACL this year.
He went out and got smart, fast & physical football players on defense that we desperately needed. Tough crowd on here.
(05-01-2022, 04:26 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ](04-30-2022, 11:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]In a League designed for offense and with a generational talent at QB...we took linebackers and cornerbacks.
We took players to try and slow them down.
(05-01-2022, 05:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 05:14 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]This was a good draft on paper overall. A good defense can add valuable time of possession or create turnovers for your offense. Between the additions they made and the investments they made in free agency I am not upset about how this draft unfolded.As to your second paragraph, it goes back to what Pederson was saying before the draft...that the depth was not there at WR and interior OL.
There's a reason why a record number of WR's went early in this year's draft between the first two rounds and why a good number of players on offense that we all coveted ultimately ended up falling multiple rounds. It was not a good year on offense class wise.
I think the most overlooked and understated aspect of this off season though has been the fact that Pederson runs an RPO and Lawrence was comfortable and excelled within a RPO system at Clemson. He should be able to showcase his ability and his football IQ more this year. I also trust Pederson as a play caller a whole hell of a lot more than anybody this team has had over the past decade.
Baalke went with value early. I am not going to bash him for that. He signed Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Evan Ingram & Brandon Scherff on offense this year and he already invested a pick/player via trade in Dan Arnold last year and an additional first round selection was made for Etienne. Arnold was actually making some decent progress despite being gained a month into the season. Walker Little was also a 2nd RD pick last year.
I think Fortner and Conner will add a lot of value to the team this year when it's all said and done. We needed a Center with Linder's retirement. We needed a power runner in the backfield and an insurance policy with Robinson and Etienne still on the mend and shaking the rust off. You got that with Conner. Hit the end zone a lot in spite of limited touches in his career.
Everyone wanted a WR. They got one for free essentially yesterday with Kevin Austin and there's still a chance to keep churning the UDFA market or even trade for or sign another veteran. What's funny to me is that, the guy that NEVER drafted a quality WR during his tenure in San Francisco, the guy that got made fun of on here because of his inability to find a quality receiver? Is now getting blasted for not drafting one. It's hilarious. He didn't reach. He didn't take anybody coming off an ACL this year.
He went out and got smart, fast & physical football players on defense that we desperately needed. Tough crowd on here.
As to the value of the picks vs the position, let's face it, we couldn't have gotten value at WR in the first round without trading up higher. The Jaguars got no offers to trade back from #1 overall, so that wasn't an option. Though some of us would not have minded taking Jameson Williams #1 overall, had Baalke done that or taken any other WR, he would have been savaged by critics. Williams is the one WR who, when healthy, displays rare traits. But the thing about Baalke being obsessed with guys who tear ACLs would have resurfaced. The team who actually took Williams had the 2nd overall pick, and didn't take him until 122th overall. Now I will temper my excitement for Austin until he starts proving it in minicamp/training camp/preseason. But the bottom line is it was virtualy impossible to maximize value at WR in the first 3 rounds.
(05-01-2022, 05:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 05:14 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]This was a good draft on paper overall. A good defense can add valuable time of possession or create turnovers for your offense. Between the additions they made and the investments they made in free agency I am not upset about how this draft unfolded.As to your second paragraph, it goes back to what Pederson was saying before the draft...that the depth was not there at WR and interior OL.
There's a reason why a record number of WR's went early in this year's draft between the first two rounds and why a good number of players on offense that we all coveted ultimately ended up falling multiple rounds. It was not a good year on offense class wise.
I think the most overlooked and understated aspect of this off season though has been the fact that Pederson runs an RPO and Lawrence was comfortable and excelled within a RPO system at Clemson. He should be able to showcase his ability and his football IQ more this year. I also trust Pederson as a play caller a whole hell of a lot more than anybody this team has had over the past decade.
Baalke went with value early. I am not going to bash him for that. He signed Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Evan Ingram & Brandon Scherff on offense this year and he already invested a pick/player via trade in Dan Arnold last year and an additional first round selection was made for Etienne. Arnold was actually making some decent progress despite being gained a month into the season. Walker Little was also a 2nd RD pick last year.
I think Fortner and Conner will add a lot of value to the team this year when it's all said and done. We needed a Center with Linder's retirement. We needed a power runner in the backfield and an insurance policy with Robinson and Etienne still on the mend and shaking the rust off. You got that with Conner. Hit the end zone a lot in spite of limited touches in his career.
Everyone wanted a WR. They got one for free essentially yesterday with Kevin Austin and there's still a chance to keep churning the UDFA market or even trade for or sign another veteran. What's funny to me is that, the guy that NEVER drafted a quality WR during his tenure in San Francisco, the guy that got made fun of on here because of his inability to find a quality receiver? Is now getting blasted for not drafting one. It's hilarious. He didn't reach. He didn't take anybody coming off an ACL this year.
He went out and got smart, fast & physical football players on defense that we desperately needed. Tough crowd on here.
As to the value of the picks vs the position, let's face it, we couldn't have gotten value at WR in the first round without trading up higher. The Jaguars got no offers to trade back from #1 overall, so that wasn't an option. Though some of us would not have minded taking Jameson Williams #1 overall, had Baalke done that or taken any other WR, he would have been savaged by critics. Williams is the one WR who, when healthy, displays rare traits. But the thing about Baalke being obsessed with guys who tear ACLs would have resurfaced. The team who actually took Williams had the 2nd overall pick, and didn't take him until 122th overall. Now I will temper my excitement for Austin until he starts proving it in minicamp/training camp/preseason. But the bottom line is it was virtualy impossible to maximize value at WR in the first 3 rounds.
(05-01-2022, 04:26 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]We took players to try and slow them down.
Let me put it this way. I don't see how anyone who watched our game against San Francisco last year could possibly object to going defense early. Might you object to what defender we took #1 overall? Sure. But the fact there were offensive needs on the team does not negate the defensive needs also on the team.
(05-01-2022, 05:41 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 01:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Holding you accountable to the many pages of garbage we all endured from you while you casually attempt to act as if it never happened.
That's all.
Carry on.
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Here's something happy and positive for all the real fans out there:
https://twitter.com/osdnmedia/status/152...1PcdGnvgEg
That was nice to see.
It happens with every player drafted, but this was a late draftee, so I guess on some level it hit me differently.
(05-01-2022, 06:00 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 05:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]As to your second paragraph, it goes back to what Pederson was saying before the draft...that the depth was not there at WR and interior OL.
As to the value of the picks vs the position, let's face it, we couldn't have gotten value at WR in the first round without trading up higher. The Jaguars got no offers to trade back from #1 overall, so that wasn't an option. Though some of us would not have minded taking Jameson Williams #1 overall, had Baalke done that or taken any other WR, he would have been savaged by critics. Williams is the one WR who, when healthy, displays rare traits. But the thing about Baalke being obsessed with guys who tear ACLs would have resurfaced. The team who actually took Williams had the 2nd overall pick, and didn't take him until 122th overall. Now I will temper my excitement for Austin until he starts proving it in minicamp/training camp/preseason. But the bottom line is it was virtualy impossible to maximize value at WR in the first 3 rounds.
I don't think this team needed another WR. Pederson proved he can get it done with that position not being the focal point of his offense. There should be an expectation of a shared effort across the board. TE and RB position will be heavily involved this year in the passing game. The WR position will probably shine here and there due to match up advantages. It's a good thing IMHO. As it keeps your opponents guessing and on their toes.
(05-01-2022, 06:18 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 06:00 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think this team needed another WR. Pederson proved he can get it done with that position not being the focal point of his offense. There should be an expectation of a shared effort across the board. TE and RB position will be heavily involved this year in the passing game. The WR position will probably shine here and there due to match up advantages. It's a good thing IMHO. As it keeps your opponents guessing and on their toes.
I'm not convinced the team did not need another WR. The team finished with the lowest offensive output in team history. An infusion of talent was of utmost importance. Relying on a slot WR who hasn't had to be "the man" or operate without studs around him, relying on a former 2nd round bust doesn't necessarily inspire confidence, even considering Pederson's influence. Whatever strategic advantage Pederson's schemes may provide, it could be offset or mitigated by whatever personnel deficiencies we have. We still don't have much to offer in the way of speed. Without the fear of being burned deep, opposin defenses can adjust their coverages to minimize the impact of the TEs.
But there is something to be said for getting value in your picks. The team needed more offense, but under the circumstances, it wasn't practical to do so early.
Under the circumstances, the Jaguars would either have to reach for an offensive player at 27 (Watson/McBride) or take the higher rated LB.
(04-30-2022, 09:13 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude, Walker was not the best player at his position, let alone in the draft.
(05-01-2022, 03:34 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ](04-30-2022, 11:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]In a League designed for offense and with a generational talent at QB...we took linebackers and cornerbacks.
Kirk, Jones and Engram were signed before that.
(05-01-2022, 06:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 06:18 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not convinced the team did not need another WR. The team finished with the lowest offensive output in team history. An infusion of talent was of utmost importance. Relying on a slot WR who hasn't had to be "the man" or operate without studs around him, relying on a former 2nd round bust doesn't necessarily inspire confidence, even considering Pederson's influence. Whatever strategic advantage Pederson's schemes may provide, it could be offset or mitigated by whatever personnel deficiencies we have. We still don't have much to offer in the way of speed. Without the fear of being burned deep, opposin defenses can adjust their coverages to minimize the impact of the TEs.
But there is something to be said for getting value in your picks. The team needed more offense, but under the circumstances, it wasn't practical to do so early.
Under the circumstances, the Jaguars would either have to reach for an offensive player at 27 (Watson/McBride) or take the higher rated LB.
All I know is. They'll be better than 3 - 14 this year. It's Pederson and Lawrence's job to figure this all out on offense when the going gets tough. If the TE's become minimized? It's Kirk, Jones, Agnew or the running back's groups job to get it moving offensively.
I don't know. Maybe I am just being overly confident for the first time in a long time. I just have faith in Pederson and Lawrence working together. It just seems like it's going to work this time. September can't get here fast enough I guess.
(05-01-2022, 07:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 03:34 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Kirk, Jones and Engram were signed before that.
That's supposed to be encouragement?
(05-01-2022, 06:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]All I know is. They'll be better than 3 - 14 this year. It's Pederson and Lawrence's job to figure this all out on offense when the going gets tough. If the TE's become minimized? It's Kirk, Jones, Agnew or the running back's groups job to get it moving offensively.
I don't know. Maybe I am just being overly confident for the first time in a long time. I just have faith in Pederson and Lawrence working together. It just seems like it's going to work this time. September can't get here fast enough I guess.
My faith is in Pederson, he's the right guy for this work. I just hope we didn't waste a second year of TLaw's discount contract by focusing on the wrong thing.
(04-30-2022, 09:13 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude, Walker was not the best player at his position, let alone in the draft.
(05-01-2022, 07:30 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ](05-01-2022, 07:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That's supposed to be encouragement?
My faith is in Pederson, he's the right guy for this work. I just hope we didn't waste a second year of TLaw's discount contract by focusing on the wrong thing.
Stout defense goes a long way with rookie QB deals. Worked for Seattle, worked for Pittsburgh. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Last year was an obvious disaster because the wrong man was hired for the job. I know it's a stretch.
But... how funny would it be if this team ends up flipping 3 - 14 into 13 - 4 this year and we're this years Bengals? Anything can happen.
(05-01-2022, 06:42 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ](04-30-2022, 09:13 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude, Walker was not the best player at his position, let alone in the draft.
You won't really know that for a year or two.
(05-01-2022, 07:30 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I would lose my mind hahaha(05-01-2022, 07:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That's supposed to be encouragement?
My faith is in Pederson, he's the right guy for this work. I just hope we didn't waste a second year of TLaw's discount contract by focusing on the wrong thing.
Stout defense goes a long way with rookie QB deals. Worked for Seattle, worked for Pittsburgh. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Last year was an obvious disaster because the wrong man was hired for the job. I know it's a stretch.
But... how funny would it be if this team ends up flipping 3 - 14 into 13 - 4 this year and we're this years Bengals? Anything can happen.
(04-30-2022, 10:21 PM)Jags@dajugular Wrote: [ -> ]I love this draft. We are seeing this regime do something that has never been done here in J ville. Take the BAP regardless of what instead of drafting inferior players at positions of perceived need. We need to give Trevor Weapons we did you might not like what was given but there is a reason most of you armchair GM's are out here with the rest of us and not getting paid by an NFL Team. Let's say that this is the first real homerun draft and offseason. Most that are complaining wont even man up and say they were wrong. I been wrong so many times being a fan, but that's my job to be a FAN. So if your not happy walk all the way to the tippy top of the Modis annnnnnnndddddddd Leap.LOL