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(08-23-2022, 05:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-23-2022, 05:14 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiENR...id=US%3Aen

All of which is why Ron DeSantis, Kevin McCarthy and others should have kept their mouths shut about all of this.

Please forgive me if I laugh al Paul Ryan’s Fox News OPINION piece. Fox News has all but declared war on President Trump. Where was this [BLEEP] when the Clinton’s and Obama did much worse?

(08-23-2022, 05:14 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiENR...id=US%3Aen

Stopped reading after the 4th paragraph.  The snippy tone was revealing and too much to bother with.  If the author had a point, he failed miserably to deliver it in a non-politically motivated way.

Here’s another opinion piece -


“The FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s private residence at Mar-a-Lago, Florida, had “no legal basis,” according to a Wall Street Journal op-ed by former White House and Department of Justice lawyers David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey.


They note:

The warrant authorized the FBI to seize “all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§793, 2071, or 1519” (emphasis added). These three criminal statutes all address the possession and handling of materials that contain national-security information, public records or material relevant to an investigation or other matters properly before a federal agency or the courts.

…

Those statutes are general in their text and application. But Mr. Trump’s documents are covered by a specific statute, the Presidential Records Act of 1978. It has long been the Supreme Court position, as stated in Morton v. Mancari (1974), that “where there is no clear intention otherwise, a specific statute will not be controlled or nullified by a general one, regardless of the priority of enactment.” The former president’s rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites.

…

The PRA lays out detailed requirements for how the archivist is to administer the records, handle privilege claims, make the records public, and impose restrictions on access. Notably, it doesn’t address the process by which a former president’s records are physically to be turned over to the archivist, or set any deadline, leaving this matter to be negotiated between the archivist and the former president.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-w..._lead_pos6

(08-22-2022, 01:59 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-22-2022, 11:41 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]It says that there is no difference between the leaders of both parties. They both answer to the same people. Nothing will change as long as these people are calling the shots…

But you already knew that…

This has been true for a very long time. They are different sides of the same coin. That will never change.

https://youtu.be/ECa1toPGth4

(08-24-2022, 11:11 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-22-2022, 01:59 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]This has been true for a very long time. They are different sides of the same coin. That will never change.

https://youtu.be/ECa1toPGth4

lol, I watched that cartoon when it was new. LOL..

Lol.

Judge Orders Friday Release of Redacted Trump Affidavit

A federal judge in Florida on Thursday ordered the U.S. Justice Department to file a redacted version of its affidavit in support of the FBI's search of former President Donald Trump's home to be released to the public by Friday at noon.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/affida...JEKsiqN1kw

If Complaint Is Successful, Judge Who Approved Warrant for FBI Trump Raid Will Be Removed

Tea Party Patriots Action, a nonprofit conservative group, filed a federal complaint seeking to remove the Florida judge who had approved the FBI warrant used to raid the private Florida residence of former President Donald Trump.

https://www.westernjournal.com/complaint...MLsVC1E_BQ

(08-25-2022, 05:49 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Judge Orders Friday Release of Redacted Trump Affidavit

A federal judge in Florida on Thursday ordered the U.S. Justice Department to file a redacted version of its affidavit in support of the FBI's search of former President Donald Trump's home to be released to the public by Friday at noon.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/affida...JEKsiqN1kw

I bet it's completely redacted for anything meaningful. The judge is just trying to cover himself by saying they had a signed affidavit.

(08-25-2022, 11:58 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]If Complaint Is Successful, Judge Who Approved Warrant for FBI Trump Raid Will Be Removed

Tea Party Patriots Action, a nonprofit conservative group, filed a federal complaint seeking to remove the Florida judge who had approved the FBI warrant used to raid the private Florida residence of former President Donald Trump.

https://www.westernjournal.com/complaint...MLsVC1E_BQ

You would think all the other stuff in his past would be enough to remove him since he is definitely compromised.

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https://youtu.be/z6hxYoiGeRI

That's hilarious.

Can one of you guys come up with any plausible reason why Trump would want to take top secret documents with him when he left the White House? I don't get that. What was he doing with boxes of top secret documents, and when the government asked for them back, why didn't he give them back?

(08-27-2022, 05:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Can one of you guys come up with any plausible reason why Trump would want to take top secret documents with him when he left the White House?  I don't get that.  What was he doing with boxes of top secret documents, and when the government asked for them back, why didn't he give them back?

Have you seen and read these documents? Do you know that what they asked for he actually possessed and that what they asked for they were entitled to have returned? Based on what you've seen why presume Trump to be guilty of something that's not been released or proven in a court of law? Because I'm skeptical based entirely on the sources we've heard it from, ie the Media and blatantly compromised government entities, never mind the presumption of innocence Trump is entitled to receive. You ask for motive when you don't even know if there was a crime but let's be real, this is just another in a long line of "We've really got him this time!" that's been nothing more than bluster and prosecutorial corruption for the last 7 years.

All because they are terrified of Trump.

(08-27-2022, 07:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2022, 05:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Can one of you guys come up with any plausible reason why Trump would want to take top secret documents with him when he left the White House?  I don't get that.  What was he doing with boxes of top secret documents, and when the government asked for them back, why didn't he give them back?

Have you seen and read these documents? Do you know that what they asked for he actually possessed and that what they asked for they were entitled to have returned? Based on what you've seen why presume Trump to be guilty of something that's not been released or proven in a court of law? Because I'm skeptical based entirely on the sources we've heard it from, ie the Media and blatantly compromised government entities, never mind the presumption of innocence Trump is entitled to receive. You ask for motive when you don't even know if there was a crime but let's be real, this is just another in a long line of "We've really got him this time!" that's been nothing more than bluster and prosecutorial corruption for the last 7 years.

All because they are terrified of Trump.

Then let me ask it another way.  Is there any plausible reason why an ex-President would ever want to take highly classified documents with him when he left the White House?

(08-27-2022, 08:14 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2022, 07:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Have you seen and read these documents? Do you know that what they asked for he actually possessed and that what they asked for they were entitled to have returned? Based on what you've seen why presume Trump to be guilty of something that's not been released or proven in a court of law? Because I'm skeptical based entirely on the sources we've heard it from, ie the Media and blatantly compromised government entities, never mind the presumption of innocence Trump is entitled to receive. You ask for motive when you don't even know if there was a crime but let's be real, this is just another in a long line of "We've really got him this time!" that's been nothing more than bluster and prosecutorial corruption for the last 7 years.

All because they are terrified of Trump.

Then let me ask it another way.  Is there any plausible reason why an ex-President would ever want to take highly classified documents with him when he left the White House?

Yes. Now then, does a President have to give a reason to take documents when he leaves the White House? If so (hypothetically of course since we know the answer to that question is "no") is there a mechanism for reclamation of those documents to happen. Did that mechanism occur here or did the government engage in an entirely new and perhaps illegal process to reclaim said documents? In consideration of these answers why are you only interested in Trump and not the government who is exceeding their authority in this matter? Are you that terrified of Trump too?

(08-27-2022, 08:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2022, 08:14 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Then let me ask it another way.  Is there any plausible reason why an ex-President would ever want to take highly classified documents with him when he left the White House?

Yes. Now then, does a President have to give a reason to take documents when he leaves the White House? If so (hypothetically of course since we know the answer to that question is "no") is there a mechanism for reclamation of those documents to happen. Did that mechanism occur here or did the government engage in an entirely new and perhaps illegal process to reclaim said documents? In consideration of these answers why are you only interested in Trump and not the government who is exceeding their authority in this matter? Are you that terrified of Trump too?

So if the answer is yes, there could be a plausible reason for an ex president to take top-secret documents from the White House when he leaves office, can you please describe such a scenario?

(08-27-2022, 10:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2022, 08:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Now then, does a President have to give a reason to take documents when he leaves the White House? If so (hypothetically of course since we know the answer to that question is "no") is there a mechanism for reclamation of those documents to happen. Did that mechanism occur here or did the government engage in an entirely new and perhaps illegal process to reclaim said documents? In consideration of these answers why are you only interested in Trump and not the government who is exceeding their authority in this matter? Are you that terrified of Trump too?

So if the answer is yes, there could be a plausible reason for an ex president to take top-secret documents from the White House when he leaves office, can you please describe such a scenario?

He writes or receives a letter to/from a world leader. He wants documents for his library. He doesn't want the next administration to bury some documents.


All of these are valid reasons to declassify documents and take them with you.


Everyone keeps forgetting it doesn't matter if they were classified or not, they were declassified when he took them with him.

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(08-27-2022, 10:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-27-2022, 08:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Now then, does a President have to give a reason to take documents when he leaves the White House? If so (hypothetically of course since we know the answer to that question is "no") is there a mechanism for reclamation of those documents to happen. Did that mechanism occur here or did the government engage in an entirely new and perhaps illegal process to reclaim said documents? In consideration of these answers why are you only interested in Trump and not the government who is exceeding their authority in this matter? Are you that terrified of Trump too?

So if the answer is yes, there could be a plausible reason for an ex president to take top-secret documents from the White House when he leaves office, can you please describe such a scenario?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5zh4wtA-ykA