(11-28-2022, 08:55 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](11-28-2022, 08:30 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]The entire last drive was nothing but lasers. Elite level throws only a handful in this league makes. If that’s the guy he’s becoming screw the rest of the season, that’s a win.
And they came on the *Have to have it downs*. Big time 3rd and 4th downs.
(11-29-2022, 02:33 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]To make it easier to understand for some, this is Trevor's first 16 games vs his last 12 games. The NE game last season was week 16. So it's basically including the final clots game (week 17) of his rookie season and this season's games on the 2nd listed stats.Obviously theze stats don’t paint the whole picture eric. His decision making is juss turrible. I mean, whyz he got to run with the ball to extend a play when obviously he should have known his hindsight would show him he had someone blitzing behind him and nothing was open. Just turrible. This is just foolz gold
https://twitter.com/theryanmichael/statu...7467844608
(11-29-2022, 02:08 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Well first off, 10 pages of posts and no clown face avatars. Thank you Trevor. My guess is he is on the Ravens board this week calling their QB a bust. (or waiting a bit so he can say he always thought this is the way it would go)
The kid is getting experience and learning from it. Maybe he has people now to talk with during the week that use his mistakes as teaching moments now? Remember Doug (after his evaluation) always said he was going to have to start from scratch with him. I am pretty sure the last HC had no idea how to do that.
Trevor appears now to have reads across the whole field now. At the start of the season they had cut the field in half to make it easier for him. Defenses figured this out pretty fast and adjusted.
Ok so this was game winning drive number one. We should begin the count?
(11-28-2022, 02:11 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ](11-27-2022, 09:36 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]So punt. Cool. That wins lots of games as we have learned the past decade.
Orrrrr take a chance scrambling as he is an athlete. He wasn’t careless with it, just got blind sided. That play is a positive to neutral 9/10.
Mahomes threw a pick on the goal line today. I assume you’d rather him start throwing away balls instead of trying to make plays too?
Turnovers happen sometimes trying to make plays, can’t let it cut your man hood off.
Mahomes didn't turn the ball over on 3rd and 8 on his own 27 down by only 2 points which lead to his team being down by two scores.
Yes, you punt it in that situation. The worst thing you can do is turn the ball over.
There was nowhere for TL to run. He should have just thrown the ball away or accepted the fact that the defenders had him dead to rights and protected the ball.
You act like it was late in the game or we were down multiple scores and it was a critical drive.
(11-28-2022, 03:05 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ](11-28-2022, 02:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Who gives a [BLEEP]? He overcame all of that and got the win + 2 PT conversion. [BLEEP] happens. Defenders are allowed to make plays as well. Robinson putting you into a 3rd and obvious long passing situation and then following that up by giving up on his block also hurt us there.
Good to great QB's make mistakes and figure out a way to make up for it. He did more than enough to make up for it yesterday. Take the W and be happy. Cheers.
I give a [BLEEP].
This isn't an isolated incident.
When your QB leads the league in fumbles, that's something to be concerned about.
He had a fantastic 4th quarter and overcame this, but it has cost us games in the past, and if he doesn't get a handle on the issue (no pun intended), it will cost us more games in the future.
You can't keep making mistakes like this that put you in the hole and rely on 4th quarter heroics to get you out of it.
I'm sure even TL would admit this is an issue that he has to get better at if he is going to take the next step in his development.
He deserves credit when it is due, but he also deserves criticism over a serious issue when it's due.
(11-29-2022, 01:19 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ](11-29-2022, 12:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This is the classic definition of unrealistic expectation - especially considering his rookie year situation.
It's not even remotely "unrealistic" to predict that a rookie quarterback taken #1 overall would have fewer than 17 interceptions.
(11-29-2022, 01:19 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ](11-29-2022, 12:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This is the classic definition of unrealistic expectation - especially considering his rookie year situation.
It's not even remotely "unrealistic" to predict that a rookie quarterback taken #1 overall would have fewer than 17 interceptions.
(11-29-2022, 11:28 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Bro, really? That's a lot of work to just crib my notes.
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(11-29-2022, 01:19 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ](11-29-2022, 12:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This is the classic definition of unrealistic expectation - especially considering his rookie year situation.
It's not even remotely "unrealistic" to predict that a rookie quarterback taken #1 overall would have fewer than 17 interceptions.
(11-29-2022, 12:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](11-29-2022, 01:19 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]It's not even remotely "unrealistic" to predict that a rookie quarterback taken #1 overall would have fewer than 17 interceptions.
How many picks do you think he'd have thrown if Urban Meyer didn't throw him to the wolves in a system not tailored to a rookie much less his own strengths and weaknesses?
Even if wasn't Pederson but just a competent NFL coach in 2021 - do you think those numbers are different?
Because that is exactly what I meant with the second half of the sentence you quoted.
(11-29-2022, 12:51 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Jags would be winning the AFC South right now if Pederson was the coach for the last 2 seasons.(11-29-2022, 12:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]How many picks do you think he'd have thrown if Urban Meyer didn't throw him to the wolves in a system not tailored to a rookie much less his own strengths and weaknesses?
Even if wasn't Pederson but just a competent NFL coach in 2021 - do you think those numbers are different?
Because that is exactly what I meant with the second half of the sentence you quoted.
He's credited with 3 comebacks and 4 game winning drives now in 28 starts on Pro Football Reference. The interception argument from his rookie year too is pretty wild. Urban Mayer absolutely did him no favors. Just looking at his gamelogs from last year. He had two games, including his first career start, with over 50 passing attempts. He had another three games with 40 or more pass attempts.
This is with [BLEEP] box blocking, [BLEEP] box receivers and [BLEEP] box running. The guy was entering virtually every game last year in a 6ft hole and they just threw the shovel at him, like, "Here, get us out of this mess because we clearly cannot coach nor scheme effectively at this level to help you out".
That kind of approach is acceptable in say, year two, maybe year three. He had eight games where he threw no picks. Then he had two really bad games with 4 picks tossed in each loss. The season opener on the road and then the shutout loss to the tacks where the first pick was really on Dan Arnold. So, meh.
Not point in dwelling on the past though. He's not even the same QB this year with competent coaching around him. God only knows where he's at now had it been year two entering the NFL with Pederson instead of being handed four flat tires as a rookie. We all know now it was coaching. Not the player.
(11-29-2022, 12:58 PM)cincyjacket Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. For those saying TLaw was thrown to the wolves his rookie season, I argued then that he should sit and Minshew should be QB1. I got blasted on this board by everyone saying that TLaw needed to be the starter immediately.
(11-29-2022, 12:58 PM)cincyjacket Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. For those saying TLaw was thrown to the wolves his rookie season, I argued then that he should sit and Minshew should be QB1. I got blasted on this board by everyone saying that TLaw needed to be the starter immediately.
(11-29-2022, 11:24 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Of the 25 players listed, SIX (6) threw 17 INTs or more in their rookie years: Aikman, Manning, Luck, Cam Newton and Trevor Lawrence. Aikman and Manning are first ballot Hall of famers. having won multiple Super Bowls. Luck made multiple Pro Bowls. Matt Stafford has made Multiple Pro Bowls and won his first Super Bowl this last season. Cam Newton made a Super Bowl and several Pro Bowls. Though it's early, Trevor Lawrence is on a pace to be a top statistical QB this year.
Those from the list throwing less than 17 INTs their rookie seasons had vaarious reasons for the lack of INTs. There were many who had a relatively small number of starts. Testaverde only threw 7 INTs his rookie year, but threw a prolific number of INTs over the course of his career. His critics called him "Interceptaverde." He had a total of 4 starts. Jamarcus Russell started a whopping one (1) game his rookie year, which accounts for his 4 INTs. There are others below 17 INTs their rookie year who, in NFL terms, were less than successful. The counterintuitive conclusion is there seems no correlation between the lack of INTs thrown by rookie #1 overall QB picks and their success.
(11-29-2022, 01:11 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ](11-29-2022, 12:58 PM)cincyjacket Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. For those saying TLaw was thrown to the wolves his rookie season, I argued then that he should sit and Minshew should be QB1. I got blasted on this board by everyone saying that TLaw needed to be the starter immediately.
Minshew? You mean the liar that hid his injury? Lawrence should sit behind a liar?
Minshew? You mean the little guy that can't see over his own pass blockers? Trevor should learn from a tiny boy that can't see the entire field?
Minshew? You mean the guy that runs like he's wearing concrete cinder blocks on his feet? Trevor should learn how to scramble from a doughy thighed slacker?
Minshew had a legit Head Coach that he had worked with the prior year and was all in on being successful.
Conversely, Lawrence, a rookie. Came into an organization with 1 win. An organization that just hired Coach Urban Meyer. [BLEEP]. The greatest "Worst Hire Head Coach" of the modern Era. [BLEEP] will go down as the worst HC of all time. The dude did nothing. The dude tried nothing. The dude did not coach. Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow as Tight End. He damaged our FG kicker. He did nothing but ruin the locker room and degrade the progress of our potential.
Lawrence along with the rest of the team was hung out to dry in 2021. It's not even up for debate. The entire franchise was in free fall. Thank god we finally made a big league move and hired Pederson.
You got no clue what you're talking about.
(11-29-2022, 12:58 PM)cincyjacket Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. For those saying TLaw was thrown to the wolves his rookie season, I argued then that he should sit and Minshew should be QB1. I got blasted on this board by everyone saying that TLaw needed to be the starter immediately.