(11-27-2022, 09:36 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2022, 09:32 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I rather him throw the ball away and not run backwards with the ball unsecured into pursuit.
So punt. Cool. That wins lots of games as we have learned the past decade.
Orrrrr take a chance scrambling as he is an athlete. He wasn’t careless with it, just got blind sided. That play is a positive to neutral 9/10.
Mahomes threw a pick on the goal line today. I assume you’d rather him start throwing away balls instead of trying to make plays too?
Turnovers happen sometimes trying to make plays, can’t let it cut your man hood off.
Mahomes didn't turn the ball over on 3rd and 8 on his own 27 down by only 2 points which lead to his team being down by two scores.
Yes, you punt it in that situation. The worst thing you can do is turn the ball over.
There was nowhere for TL to run. He should have just thrown the ball away or accepted the fact that the defenders had him dead to rights and protected the ball.
You act like it was late in the game or we were down multiple scores and it was a critical drive.
(11-28-2022, 02:11 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2022, 09:36 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]So punt. Cool. That wins lots of games as we have learned the past decade.
Orrrrr take a chance scrambling as he is an athlete. He wasn’t careless with it, just got blind sided. That play is a positive to neutral 9/10.
Mahomes threw a pick on the goal line today. I assume you’d rather him start throwing away balls instead of trying to make plays too?
Turnovers happen sometimes trying to make plays, can’t let it cut your man hood off.
Mahomes didn't turn the ball over on 3rd and 8 on his own 27 down by only 2 points which lead to his team being down by two scores.
Yes, you punt it in that situation. The worst thing you can do is turn the ball over.
There was nowhere for TL to run. He should have just thrown the ball away or accepted the fact that the defenders had him dead to rights and protected the ball.
You act like it was late in the game or we were down multiple scores and it was a critical drive.
Who gives a [BLEEP]? He overcame all of that and got the win + 2 PT conversion. [BLEEP] happens. Defenders are allowed to make plays as well. Robinson putting you into a 3rd and obvious long passing situation and then following that up by giving up on his block also hurt us there.
Good to great QB's make mistakes and figure out a way to make up for it. He did more than enough to make up for it yesterday. Take the W and be happy. Cheers.
(11-28-2022, 02:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 02:11 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes didn't turn the ball over on 3rd and 8 on his own 27 down by only 2 points which lead to his team being down by two scores.
Yes, you punt it in that situation. The worst thing you can do is turn the ball over.
There was nowhere for TL to run. He should have just thrown the ball away or accepted the fact that the defenders had him dead to rights and protected the ball.
You act like it was late in the game or we were down multiple scores and it was a critical drive.
Dude.
Who cares? Get a life.
(11-28-2022, 02:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Who gives a [BLEEP]? He overcame all of that and got the win + 2 PT conversion. [BLEEP] happens. Defenders are allowed to make plays as well. Robinson putting you into a 3rd and obvious long passing situation and then following that up by giving up on his block also hurt us there.
Good to great QB's make mistakes and figure out a way to make up for it. He did more than enough to make up for it yesterday. Take the W and be happy. Cheers.
You’re nicer than me lol
You shouldn't be telling anyone to get a life when your only life is this message board.
Offense was dead in the water and the game was slipping. I’d be more upset if he curled into a ball. How’s he supposed to know there’s a guy running free on his blind side?
Are we talking about the sack with 20 seconds left in the 3rd Q ?
Trevor stayed looking downfield for exactly 3.1 seconds then (kind-of) tucked it to run and evaded the guy that Engram couldn't hold off - but didn't see the guy looping around from behind him that Cam couldn't keep up with.
Failing to see any tragic mistake other than not protecting the ball better. He didn't full commit to a scramble - still wanted to consider taking a shot so he had the ball out in the right hand too much. Probably should have just fully committed to the scramble back to the LOS and a slide.
(11-28-2022, 02:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 02:11 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes didn't turn the ball over on 3rd and 8 on his own 27 down by only 2 points which lead to his team being down by two scores.
Yes, you punt it in that situation. The worst thing you can do is turn the ball over.
There was nowhere for TL to run. He should have just thrown the ball away or accepted the fact that the defenders had him dead to rights and protected the ball.
You act like it was late in the game or we were down multiple scores and it was a critical drive.
Who gives a [BLEEP]? He overcame all of that and got the win + 2 PT conversion. [BLEEP] happens. Defenders are allowed to make plays as well. Robinson putting you into a 3rd and obvious long passing situation and then following that up by giving up on his block also hurt us there.
Good to great QB's make mistakes and figure out a way to make up for it. He did more than enough to make up for it yesterday. Take the W and be happy. Cheers.
I give a [BLEEP].
This isn't an isolated incident.
When your QB leads the league in fumbles, that's something to be concerned about.
He had a fantastic 4th quarter and overcame this, but it has cost us games in the past, and if he doesn't get a handle on the issue (no pun intended), it will cost us more games in the future.
You can't keep making mistakes like this that put you in the hole and rely on 4th quarter heroics to get you out of it.
I'm sure even TL would admit this is an issue that he has to get better at if he is going to take the next step in his development.
He deserves credit when it is due, but he also deserves criticism over a serious issue when it's due.
(11-28-2022, 03:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are we talking about the sack with 20 seconds left in the 3rd Q ?
Trevor stayed looking downfield for exactly 3.1 seconds then (kind-of) tucked it to run and evaded the guy that Engram couldn't hold off - but didn't see the guy looping around from behind him that Cam couldn't keep up with.
Failing to see any tragic mistake other than not protecting the ball better. He didn't full commit to a scramble - still wanted to consider taking a shot so he had the ball out in the right hand too much. Probably should have just fully committed to the scramble back to the LOS and a slide.
Agreed. But it's not at all some egregious mental error where he made some boneheaded play or tried to scramble without protecting the ball at all. That same fumble happens to great QBs every week
(11-28-2022, 03:06 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 03:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are we talking about the sack with 20 seconds left in the 3rd Q ?
Trevor stayed looking downfield for exactly 3.1 seconds then (kind-of) tucked it to run and evaded the guy that Engram couldn't hold off - but didn't see the guy looping around from behind him that Cam couldn't keep up with.
Failing to see any tragic mistake other than not protecting the ball better. He didn't full commit to a scramble - still wanted to consider taking a shot so he had the ball out in the right hand too much. Probably should have just fully committed to the scramble back to the LOS and a slide.
Agreed. But it's not at all some egregious mental error where he made some boneheaded play or tried to scramble without protecting the ball at all. That same fumble happens to great QBs every week
Right.
Young QB evades first would-be sack and doesn't see the next guy coming because he wants to throw instead of running into traffic.
I'm OK with one of those here and there. Especially when he puts up numbers like yesterday.
Yesterday he took a huge step in owning the franchise QB label. Lost the running game early, and carried the team on his back to a terrific comeback win.
This was the game I had been waiting for. Way to put it all together when it mattered most.
(11-28-2022, 03:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are we talking about the sack with 20 seconds left in the 3rd Q ?
Trevor stayed looking downfield for exactly 3.1 seconds then (kind-of) tucked it to run and evaded the guy that Engram couldn't hold off - but didn't see the guy looping around from behind him that Cam couldn't keep up with.
Failing to see any tragic mistake other than not protecting the ball better. He didn't full commit to a scramble - still wanted to consider taking a shot so he had the ball out in the right hand too much. Probably should have just fully committed to the scramble back to the LOS and a slide.
Not protecting the ball better is the issue.
This isn't an isolated indecent. He leads the league in lost fumbles.
He showed poor situational awareness on that play. There are situations where you don't need to try and make something out of nothing and protecting the ball and ending the drive with a punt is the best option.
Also, unless you have freakish speed, don't try to run east-west in the NFL. Bad things tend to happen when you do that.
(11-28-2022, 03:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 02:43 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]You shouldn't be telling anyone to get a life when your only life is this message board.
Bwahahaha
Loser.
Good comeback.
What are you, in middle school?
(11-28-2022, 03:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are we talking about the sack with 20 seconds left in the 3rd Q ?
Trevor stayed looking downfield for exactly 3.1 seconds then (kind-of) tucked it to run and evaded the guy that Engram couldn't hold off - but didn't see the guy looping around from behind him that Cam couldn't keep up with.
Failing to see any tragic mistake other than not protecting the ball better. He didn't full commit to a scramble - still wanted to consider taking a shot so he had the ball out in the right hand too much. Probably should have just fully committed to the scramble back to the LOS and a slide.
Yeah I wouldn't blame him for that blind side fumble, that was just a good play by the defense. The guy who hitem snuck around and he just didn't see it.
(11-28-2022, 03:31 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 03:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are we talking about the sack with 20 seconds left in the 3rd Q ?
Trevor stayed looking downfield for exactly 3.1 seconds then (kind-of) tucked it to run and evaded the guy that Engram couldn't hold off - but didn't see the guy looping around from behind him that Cam couldn't keep up with.
Failing to see any tragic mistake other than not protecting the ball better. He didn't full commit to a scramble - still wanted to consider taking a shot so he had the ball out in the right hand too much. Probably should have just fully committed to the scramble back to the LOS and a slide.
Not protecting the ball better is the issue.
This isn't an isolated indecent. He leads the league in lost fumbles.
He showed poor situational awareness on that play. There are situations where you don't need to try and make something out of nothing and protecting the ball and ending the drive with a punt is the best option.
Also, unless you have freakish speed, don't try to run east-west in the NFL. Bad things tend to happen when you do that.
I agree that he has had a fumble problem, but to talk about "leading the league in lost fumbles" is kinda a dumb point if you watched the games. In Philly he lost like 3 because of the rain, kind of a freak thing. I do think he sometimes trys to extend longer than he should which leads to the occasional strip sack like we saw on that last drive, which btw shout out to fortner for grabbing that ball, because that fumble recovery led to imo, the best drive a jaguars QB has ever had. 90 Yards with a TD and a 2 pt conversion in a 2 minute drill is nothing short of amazing.
I've always looked at Trevor as the kind of guy who folds a bit under pressure, but i'll gladly eat my words after that performance. He's showing me that he has the desire to get better. He's always had the natural talent.. it was a matter of him putting in that work to get to the level he needs to be at and luckily for us it looks very promising that he can do it.
(11-28-2022, 03:05 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 02:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Who gives a [BLEEP]? He overcame all of that and got the win + 2 PT conversion. [BLEEP] happens. Defenders are allowed to make plays as well. Robinson putting you into a 3rd and obvious long passing situation and then following that up by giving up on his block also hurt us there.
Good to great QB's make mistakes and figure out a way to make up for it. He did more than enough to make up for it yesterday. Take the W and be happy. Cheers.
I give a [BLEEP].
This isn't an isolated incident.
When your QB leads the league in fumbles, that's something to be concerned about.
He had a fantastic 4th quarter and overcame this, but it has cost us games in the past, and if he doesn't get a handle on the issue (no pun intended), it will cost us more games in the future.
You can't keep making mistakes like this that put you in the hole and rely on 4th quarter heroics to get you out of it.
I'm sure even TL would admit this is an issue that he has to get better at if he is going to take the next step in his development.
He deserves credit when it is due, but he also deserves criticism over a serious issue when it's due.
He's played relatively turnover free now for the majority of the year. Philadelphia was BAD. I get it. The redzone INT's were BAD. I get it. However, the last three games since London he's been pretty damn solid in the turnover department. He's now rallied this team out of a 17 - 3 hole at halftime.
He had a TD negated in the road loss in Arrowhead with the Chiefs, a game in which he was getting constantly harassed by the pass rushing attack. Then yesterday? He did something all of us wanted to see. Could he overcome a mistake? He did it. He showed some fire on the sideline as well.
His trajectory is up. We'll see what happens in Detroit. The game I cannot wait to see the most now though? Home game against the Cowboys with their defense. I want to see what Lawrence and Pederson do against that defense in particular. That's a big boy game right there now.
(11-28-2022, 03:36 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 03:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Bwahahaha
Loser.
Good comeback.
What are you, in middle school?
Yes.
Now don’t you have a cloud to yell at?
(11-28-2022, 03:31 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 03:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are we talking about the sack with 20 seconds left in the 3rd Q ?
Trevor stayed looking downfield for exactly 3.1 seconds then (kind-of) tucked it to run and evaded the guy that Engram couldn't hold off - but didn't see the guy looping around from behind him that Cam couldn't keep up with.
Failing to see any tragic mistake other than not protecting the ball better. He didn't full commit to a scramble - still wanted to consider taking a shot so he had the ball out in the right hand too much. Probably should have just fully committed to the scramble back to the LOS and a slide.
Not protecting the ball better is the issue.
This isn't an isolated indecent. He leads the league in lost fumbles.
He showed poor situational awareness on that play. There are situations where you don't need to try and make something out of nothing and protecting the ball and ending the drive with a punt is the best option.
Also, unless you have freakish speed, don't try to run east-west in the NFL. Bad things tend to happen when you do that.
He needs to protect the ball better in those situations.
That's fair.
I don't think he shows "poor situational awareness" when he's blindsided the way he was on that play. He just should have tucked the ball and continued running north until he had to slide - or just fling it OB.
It's a fine line to critique when the league is being led by QBs who throw strikes while evading pressure as well as they do.
You don't want to tell your young QB to give up on ever doing that.
He just can't hang the ball out like a loaf of bread in the process.
(11-28-2022, 03:36 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 03:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Bwahahaha
Loser.
Good comeback.
What are you, in middle school?
Technically, I think he is; he teaches there if I'm not mistaken.
(11-28-2022, 03:53 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2022, 03:05 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I give a [BLEEP].
This isn't an isolated incident.
When your QB leads the league in fumbles, that's something to be concerned about.
He had a fantastic 4th quarter and overcame this, but it has cost us games in the past, and if he doesn't get a handle on the issue (no pun intended), it will cost us more games in the future.
You can't keep making mistakes like this that put you in the hole and rely on 4th quarter heroics to get you out of it.
I'm sure even TL would admit this is an issue that he has to get better at if he is going to take the next step in his development.
He deserves credit when it is due, but he also deserves criticism over a serious issue when it's due.
He's played relatively turnover free now for the majority of the year. Philadelphia was BAD. I get it. The redzone INT's were BAD. I get it. However, the last three games since London he's been pretty damn solid in the turnover department. He's now rallied this team out of a 17 - 3 hole at halftime.
He had a TD negated in the road loss in Arrowhead with the Chiefs, a game in which he was getting constantly harassed by the pass rushing attack. Then yesterday? He did something all of us wanted to see. Could he overcome a mistake? He did it. He showed some fire on the sideline as well.
His trajectory is up. We'll see what happens in Detroit. The game I cannot wait to see the most now though? Home game against the Cowboys with their defense. I want to see what Lawrence and Pederson do against that defense in particular. That's a big boy game right there now.
Tacks might be the best test.