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(07-08-2023, 06:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-08-2023, 11:35 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Regardless, you are older than me,  and my story is less severe than yours.  It is the only racially charged threat of violence that I was aware of in middle school or High school. This is more evidence that the world is getting better on this issue.

And the plural of anecdote is not Data.

Nor are looney posts on Twitter, nor are FUD stories on MSM or Fox News. Data is data.  Maybe check out some polling.

I always get a good chuckle out of white people complaining about discrimination.

Like the tiniest little dose of the whole world of crap others have battled for decades and centuries gets folks super freaked out when they thought they'd be immune to it.
LOL
What a complete lack of perspective.

On the lighter side:

https://twitter.com/InternetH0F/status/1...27456?s=20

(07-08-2023, 06:45 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-08-2023, 06:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And the plural of anecdote is not Data.

Nor are looney posts on Twitter, nor are FUD stories on MSM or Fox News. Data is data.  Maybe check out some polling.

Or check out the frequency and acceptance of interracial marriage.  Good data there, no anecdotes at all.

(07-09-2023, 05:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I always get a good chuckle out of white people complaining about discrimination.

Like the tiniest little dose of the whole world of crap others have battled for decades and centuries gets folks super freaked out when they thought they'd be immune to it.
LOL
What a complete lack of perspective.

On the lighter side:

https://twitter.com/InternetH0F/status/1...27456?s=20

The thing is? It doesn’t bother me a bit and I'd totally wear that shirt. So would I be seen as good natured or a Klansman if I did?

You know the answer.

Meanwhile, since you appear to be in the 2 Wrongs Make It Right camp, I'll take my Irish Reparations now thanks.

(07-09-2023, 08:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2023, 05:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I always get a good chuckle out of white people complaining about discrimination.

Like the tiniest little dose of the whole world of crap others have battled for decades and centuries gets folks super freaked out when they thought they'd be immune to it.
LOL
What a complete lack of perspective.

On the lighter side:

https://twitter.com/InternetH0F/status/1...27456?s=20

The thing is? It doesn’t bother me a bit and I'd totally wear that shirt. So would I be seen as good natured or a Klansman if I did?

You know the answer.

Meanwhile, since you appear to be in the 2 Wrongs Make It Right camp, I'll take my Irish Reparations now thanks.

I agree with you about the shirt.  It's funny.  But as white people, if we wear that, others will think we are racist.  So I won't wear it, even though it's funny, even though I would be right and the others would be wrong, and I won't cry about not wearing it.  

The Irish were near the bottom of the social ladder here for over a century.  To say nothing of the turmoil that brought them here in the first place.  The fact that they have been able to climb the ladder speaks to the greatness of our principles, and the solidarity that the Irish had with each other for many years.   But the fact that it's taken Black, indigenous, and hispanic people longer to climb the ladder, and they haven't gotten as far up, speaks to the fact that they started out lower, they didn't start out in the cities, and they've gotten a lot more violent  pushback along the way.

(07-09-2023, 09:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2023, 08:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is? It doesn’t bother me a bit and I'd totally wear that shirt. So would I be seen as good natured or a Klansman if I did?

You know the answer.

Meanwhile, since you appear to be in the 2 Wrongs Make It Right camp, I'll take my Irish Reparations now thanks.

I agree with you about the shirt.  It's funny.  But as white people, if we wear that, others will think we are racist.  So I won't wear it, even though it's funny, even though I would be right and the others would be wrong, and I won't cry about not wearing it.  

The Irish were near the bottom of the social ladder here for over a century.  To say nothing of the turmoil that brought them here in the first place.  The fact that they have been able to climb the ladder speaks to the greatness of our principles, and the solidarity that the Irish had with each other for many years.   But the fact that it's taken Black, indigenous, and hispanic people longer to climb the ladder, and they haven't gotten as far up, speaks to the fact that they started out lower, they didn't start out in the cities, and they've gotten a lot more violent  pushback along the way.

Or, you know, they got a lot more 'government help" than the Irish did with the predicatible results.

And I was more into this one back in the day:

There's some real uppity white people in here..

(07-08-2023, 08:41 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]I grew up being taught that hating people because of skin color was wrong. I was taught too be color blind. It started with my Republican parents who instilled these values into me. So any biases I may hold were all learned through life experiences. These experiences are teaching me to be angry and even hate… 

How did it come to this? And what’s the end game? Subjecting whites to the same things blacks have experienced. I wonder how that will play out? Eventually it will just come full circle and after creating new victim class , society will then have to deal with the same thing over and over again. 

There is so much to say on this subject, so I think it’s good we start the discussion and see what we come up with…

Your chart is very funny, and has a lot of truth in it.  But I would point out, "racism" and "discrimination" are two different things.  And your chart doesn't have anything to do with discrimination against white people.  

So, nice try, and a worthy one.  But it's a swing and a miss.  

How about this for a topic?  Which group is currently subject to greater discrimination: white Americans, or Asian-Americans?

(07-09-2023, 08:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2023, 05:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I always get a good chuckle out of white people complaining about discrimination.

Like the tiniest little dose of the whole world of crap others have battled for decades and centuries gets folks super freaked out when they thought they'd be immune to it.
LOL
What a complete lack of perspective.

On the lighter side:

https://twitter.com/InternetH0F/status/1...27456?s=20

The thing is? It doesn’t bother me a bit and I'd totally wear that shirt. So would I be seen as good natured or a Klansman if I did?

You know the answer.

Meanwhile, since you appear to be in the 2 Wrongs Make It Right camp, I'll take my Irish Reparations now thanks.

Were Irish Americans being strung up in trees for being Irish in the mid-sixties? I may have missed that. 

The point I'm making is that the racial makeup and proportions of the country (and globe) are ever changing and we are becoming more and more homogenized.  
We are nearing a place when the benefits and opportunities being created for certain minorities won't make sense anymore. (I can't wait personally - just so white ppl will stop whining about it)
 Over the next 20 years we'll see that level off. I'd bet heavily on it. 

What comes hand in hand with that change - is that white Americans are no longer going to face the same golden-paved road to easy success in life because they will be on a more level playing field with minorities who previously had a tougher time getting there. Yeah, I know folks like to deny this dynamic EVER existed and white folks have always just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, but that's a load of crap. Plenty of folks pulled themselves up as far as they could by those straps only to be denied access to opportunity. 

Thankfully - We are in a different time than the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. 
The youth of this nation are more diverse than ever and they largely aren't looking for a free lunch. 
They'll compete on a more level playing field than ever before and those who take advantage of their opportunities will succeed. 
Part of this new landscape is a bunch of butt-hurt white people who lament the loss of privilege. 
They'll just have to get over it. 

Ooh yeah - and to address your 2 wrongs quip:
Are you seriously trying to compare the whining of a modern white guy feeling discriminated against to the struggles of African Americans over the last century?  
That may be two "wrongs" but it's like comparing murder to shoplifting.

(07-10-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2023, 08:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is? It doesn’t bother me a bit and I'd totally wear that shirt. So would I be seen as good natured or a Klansman if I did?

You know the answer.

Meanwhile, since you appear to be in the 2 Wrongs Make It Right camp, I'll take my Irish Reparations now thanks.

Were Irish Americans being strung up in trees for being Irish in the mid-sixties? I may have missed that. 

The point I'm making is that the racial makeup and proportions of the country (and globe) are ever changing and we are becoming more and more homogenized.  
We are nearing a place when the benefits and opportunities being created for certain minorities won't make sense anymore. (I can't wait personally - just so white ppl will stop whining about it)
 Over the next 20 years we'll see that level off. I'd bet heavily on it. 

What comes hand in hand with that change - is that white Americans are no longer going to face the same golden-paved road to easy success in life because they will be on a more level playing field with minorities who previously had a tougher time getting there. Yeah, I know folks like to deny this dynamic EVER existed and white folks have always just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, but that's a load of crap. Plenty of folks pulled themselves up as far as they could by those straps only to be denied access to opportunity. 

Thankfully - We are in a different time than the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. 
The youth of this nation are more diverse than ever and they largely aren't looking for a free lunch. 
They'll compete on a more level playing field than ever before and those who take advantage of their opportunities will succeed. 
Part of this new landscape is a bunch of butt-hurt white people who lament the loss of privilege. 
They'll just have to get over it. 

Ooh yeah - and to address your 2 wrongs quip:
Are you seriously trying to compare the whining of a modern white guy feeling discriminated against to the struggles of African Americans over the last century?  
That may be two "wrongs" but it's like comparing murder to shoplifting.

So, in short, now that white people are less of a majority in America it's perfectly fine to discriminate against them because (some of) their ancestors did bad things that every other racial group across the globe did at one time or another. Because discrimination now isn't as bad as the discrimination of the past; or, 2 wrongs make a right for some people.

(07-10-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2023, 08:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is? It doesn’t bother me a bit and I'd totally wear that shirt. So would I be seen as good natured or a Klansman if I did?

You know the answer.

Meanwhile, since you appear to be in the 2 Wrongs Make It Right camp, I'll take my Irish Reparations now thanks.

Were Irish Americans being strung up in trees for being Irish in the mid-sixties? I may have missed that. 

The point I'm making is that the racial makeup and proportions of the country (and globe) are ever changing and we are becoming more and more homogenized.  
We are nearing a place when the benefits and opportunities being created for certain minorities won't make sense anymore. (I can't wait personally - just so white ppl will stop whining about it)
 Over the next 20 years we'll see that level off. I'd bet heavily on it. 

What comes hand in hand with that change - is that white Americans are no longer going to face the same golden-paved road to easy success in life because they will be on a more level playing field with minorities who previously had a tougher time getting there. Yeah, I know folks like to deny this dynamic EVER existed and white folks have always just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, but that's a load of crap. Plenty of folks pulled themselves up as far as they could by those straps only to be denied access to opportunity. 

Thankfully - We are in a different time than the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. 
The youth of this nation are more diverse than ever and they largely aren't looking for a free lunch. 
They'll compete on a more level playing field than ever before and those who take advantage of their opportunities will succeed. 
Part of this new landscape is a bunch of butt-hurt white people who lament the loss of privilege. 
They'll just have to get over it. 

Ooh yeah - and to address your 2 wrongs quip:
Are you seriously trying to compare the whining of a modern white guy feeling discriminated against to the struggles of African Americans over the last century?  
That may be two "wrongs" but it's like comparing murder to shoplifting.

I think the advancement of AI and technology in general will level all of us before it's all said and done in the grand scheme of things. Goes back to class warfare, not so much race. 

Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mouth breathers.

(07-10-2023, 11:57 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Were Irish Americans being strung up in trees for being Irish in the mid-sixties? I may have missed that. 

The point I'm making is that the racial makeup and proportions of the country (and globe) are ever changing and we are becoming more and more homogenized.  
We are nearing a place when the benefits and opportunities being created for certain minorities won't make sense anymore. (I can't wait personally - just so white ppl will stop whining about it)
 Over the next 20 years we'll see that level off. I'd bet heavily on it. 

What comes hand in hand with that change - is that white Americans are no longer going to face the same golden-paved road to easy success in life because they will be on a more level playing field with minorities who previously had a tougher time getting there. Yeah, I know folks like to deny this dynamic EVER existed and white folks have always just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, but that's a load of crap. Plenty of folks pulled themselves up as far as they could by those straps only to be denied access to opportunity. 

Thankfully - We are in a different time than the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. 
The youth of this nation are more diverse than ever and they largely aren't looking for a free lunch. 
They'll compete on a more level playing field than ever before and those who take advantage of their opportunities will succeed. 
Part of this new landscape is a bunch of butt-hurt white people who lament the loss of privilege. 
They'll just have to get over it. 

Ooh yeah - and to address your 2 wrongs quip:
Are you seriously trying to compare the whining of a modern white guy feeling discriminated against to the struggles of African Americans over the last century?  
That may be two "wrongs" but it's like comparing murder to shoplifting.

So, in short, now that white people are less of a majority in America it's perfectly fine to discriminate against them because (some of) their ancestors did bad things that every other racial group across the globe did at one time or another. Because discrimination now isn't as bad as the discrimination of the past; or, 2 wrongs make a right for some people.

No. 
Not at all. 

It's basically just "Hello, complaining white people, welcome to the reality everyone else has dealt with forever." 

Everyone gets discriminated against every day in some way. White folks have just been accustomed to a lot less of it. 
Now they are getting a tiny dose. 

It isn't going to magically go away. Blacks are still discriminated against despite affirmative action efforts. My next door neighbor still calls Mexican people "lazy criminals." We are just reaching a time when previously non-minority groups are getting a taste of it too. 

Big whoop. 

I recommend pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and just rising above it.

(07-10-2023, 12:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2023, 11:57 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]So, in short, now that white people are less of a majority in America it's perfectly fine to discriminate against them because (some of) their ancestors did bad things that every other racial group across the globe did at one time or another. Because discrimination now isn't as bad as the discrimination of the past; or, 2 wrongs make a right for some people.

No. 
Not at all. 

It's basically just "Hello, complaining white people, welcome to the reality everyone else has dealt with forever." 

Everyone gets discriminated against every day in some way. White folks have just been accustomed to a lot less of it. 
Now they are getting a tiny dose. 

It isn't going to magically go away. Blacks are still discriminated against despite affirmative action efforts. My next door neighbor still calls Mexican people "lazy criminals." We are just reaching a time when previously non-minority groups are getting a taste of it too. 

Big whoop. 

I recommend pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and just rising above it.

Oh no worries, I did that a long time ago. I just think it's funny that those who want to claim the Virtuous Victim mantel turn out to act the same way the first chance they get. I mean, I always knew that would be the case because history is pretty clear about it, but they seem to think they aren't exactly the same as those they decry. Everyone is the hero in their own story after all.

(07-10-2023, 03:15 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2023, 12:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No. 
Not at all. 

It's basically just "Hello, complaining white people, welcome to the reality everyone else has dealt with forever." 

Everyone gets discriminated against every day in some way. White folks have just been accustomed to a lot less of it. 
Now they are getting a tiny dose. 

It isn't going to magically go away. Blacks are still discriminated against despite affirmative action efforts. My next door neighbor still calls Mexican people "lazy criminals." We are just reaching a time when previously non-minority groups are getting a taste of it too. 

Big whoop. 

I recommend pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and just rising above it.

Oh no worries, I did that a long time ago. I just think it's funny that those who want to claim the Virtuous Victim mantel turn out to act the same way the first chance they get. I mean, I always knew that would be the case because history is pretty clear about it, but they seem to think they aren't exactly the same as those they decry. Everyone is the hero in their own story after all.

I doubt your final comment is actually very indicative of the human experience for many people. 
Most folks I know don't exude that at all, and many others clearly express something quite different about how they view themselves.

(07-10-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2023, 08:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is? It doesn’t bother me a bit and I'd totally wear that shirt. So would I be seen as good natured or a Klansman if I did?

You know the answer.

Meanwhile, since you appear to be in the 2 Wrongs Make It Right camp, I'll take my Irish Reparations now thanks.

Were Irish Americans being strung up in trees for being Irish in the mid-sixties? I may have missed that. 

The point I'm making is that the racial makeup and proportions of the country (and globe) are ever changing and we are becoming more and more homogenized.  
We are nearing a place when the benefits and opportunities being created for certain minorities won't make sense anymore. (I can't wait personally - just so white ppl will stop whining about it)
 Over the next 20 years we'll see that level off. I'd bet heavily on it. 

What comes hand in hand with that change - is that white Americans are no longer going to face the same golden-paved road to easy success in life because they will be on a more level playing field with minorities who previously had a tougher time getting there. Yeah, I know folks like to deny this dynamic EVER existed and white folks have always just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, but that's a load of crap. Plenty of folks pulled themselves up as far as they could by those straps only to be denied access to opportunity. 

Thankfully - We are in a different time than the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. 
The youth of this nation are more diverse than ever and they largely aren't looking for a free lunch. 
They'll compete on a more level playing field than ever before and those who take advantage of their opportunities will succeed. 
Part of this new landscape is a bunch of butt-hurt white people who lament the loss of privilege. 
They'll just have to get over it. 

Ooh yeah - and to address your 2 wrongs quip:
Are you seriously trying to compare the whining of a modern white guy feeling discriminated against to the struggles of African Americans over the last century?  
That may be two "wrongs" but it's like comparing murder to shoplifting.

Lynchings had all but passed by the 60's. The practice was most common in the late 1800's and became less frequent. Were there people who were killed by racists during that time? almost certainly, but it's nothing like what we think of as the traditional lynching. I don't get why people resort to such hyperbole. 

Sure, white folks had an edge. However, economic success in this nation has predominantly been a plateau, not a mountain top or a "race," as some people like to say. There was never a time when all whites were millionaires or all whites crossed the finish line. There are just people who made it to the top before others, sat on it, and used their success to marginalize anyone who could threaten their power. They might be white, but they certainly don't look like me. This is the great lie that is believed by most people on the left. The great lie believed by most people on the right is that the government is out to oppress whites in favor of blacks. That's poppycock. The elites use the power of the government to oppress everyone for their gain. Whites are just feeling it differently than they have in the past. 

Until both groups start recognizing the actual problem, slightly more power will be given to the group that most benefits the elites. Unless they plan on uniting and fighting the problem together, why shouldn't whites push back against it? Why shouldn't minorities try to fight for the crumbs of the elites, too?

(07-10-2023, 03:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2023, 03:15 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Oh no worries, I did that a long time ago. I just think it's funny that those who want to claim the Virtuous Victim mantel turn out to act the same way the first chance they get. I mean, I always knew that would be the case because history is pretty clear about it, but they seem to think they aren't exactly the same as those they decry. Everyone is the hero in their own story after all.

I doubt your final comment is actually very indicative of the human experience for many people. 
Most folks I know don't exude that at all, and many others clearly express something quite different about how they view themselves.

Very few behave like they are the hero in the story in real life.  
Most people on the internet do, though.  
For some engineers like me, being behind the keyboard frees us to gather our thoughts and state them in a way that real life never does.  So we have the dichotomy between our online lives and our real lives. 
But for most people, they behave in real life similar to how they behave online, it's just that, the ones who don't feel a need to be the hero of the story, they're not online at all, at least not in an old text forum with screennames. They self select out, and it skews the picture.

(07-10-2023, 09:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Were Irish Americans being strung up in trees for being Irish in the mid-sixties? I may have missed that. 

The point I'm making is that the racial makeup and proportions of the country (and globe) are ever changing and we are becoming more and more homogenized.  
We are nearing a place when the benefits and opportunities being created for certain minorities won't make sense anymore. (I can't wait personally - just so white ppl will stop whining about it)
 Over the next 20 years we'll see that level off. I'd bet heavily on it. 

What comes hand in hand with that change - is that white Americans are no longer going to face the same golden-paved road to easy success in life because they will be on a more level playing field with minorities who previously had a tougher time getting there. Yeah, I know folks like to deny this dynamic EVER existed and white folks have always just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, but that's a load of crap. Plenty of folks pulled themselves up as far as they could by those straps only to be denied access to opportunity. 

Thankfully - We are in a different time than the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. 
The youth of this nation are more diverse than ever and they largely aren't looking for a free lunch. 
They'll compete on a more level playing field than ever before and those who take advantage of their opportunities will succeed. 
Part of this new landscape is a bunch of butt-hurt white people who lament the loss of privilege. 
They'll just have to get over it. 

Ooh yeah - and to address your 2 wrongs quip:
Are you seriously trying to compare the whining of a modern white guy feeling discriminated against to the struggles of African Americans over the last century?  
That may be two "wrongs" but it's like comparing murder to shoplifting.

Lynchings had all but passed by the 60's. The practice was most common in the late 1800's and became less frequent. Were there people who were killed by racists during that time? almost certainly, but it's nothing like what we think of as the traditional lynching. I don't get why people resort to such hyperbole. 

Sure, white folks had an edge. However, economic success in this nation has predominantly been a plateau, not a mountain top or a "race," as some people like to say. There was never a time when all whites were millionaires or all whites crossed the finish line. There are just people who made it to the top before others, sat on it, and used their success to marginalize anyone who could threaten their power. They might be white, but they certainly don't look like me. This is the great lie that is believed by most people on the left. The great lie believed by most people on the right is that the government is out to oppress whites in favor of blacks. That's poppycock. The elites use the power of the government to oppress everyone for their gain. Whites are just feeling it differently than they have in the past. 

Until both groups start recognizing the actual problem, slightly more power will be given to the group that most benefits the elites. Unless they plan on uniting and fighting the problem together, why shouldn't whites push back against it? Why shouldn't minorities try to fight for the crumbs of the elites, too?

Yeah, as I think about how race has been discussed in my life time, I default to, "saying X about race helped LBJ" and "saying Y about race helped Bush" etc.
It's hard to see beyond that and consider the possibility that it's just a big elite game done for distraction.  
It's absolutely true that the pre-primary, fundraising stage of the Presidential campaign is all preening for donations, especially after 1992.
I just still refuse to believe that these elites have a coherent plan.  They are fighting each other.  They are flinging messages out at us and seeing what sticks.  And if something sticks, they will leverage it to the end.
Most people who believe they are secretly conspiring, are socialists.
These socialists simply believe they are doing so to avoid taxes and regulations. That's more plausible than what you're selling, but it's still pretty implausible. The rich are like us. They can't predict the future, they don't always know what other people will like, and they are sometimes willing to act against their own self interest for a cause they really believe in, though usually not.

(07-10-2023, 09:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2023, 10:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Were Irish Americans being strung up in trees for being Irish in the mid-sixties? I may have missed that. 

The point I'm making is that the racial makeup and proportions of the country (and globe) are ever changing and we are becoming more and more homogenized.  
We are nearing a place when the benefits and opportunities being created for certain minorities won't make sense anymore. (I can't wait personally - just so white ppl will stop whining about it)
 Over the next 20 years we'll see that level off. I'd bet heavily on it. 

What comes hand in hand with that change - is that white Americans are no longer going to face the same golden-paved road to easy success in life because they will be on a more level playing field with minorities who previously had a tougher time getting there. Yeah, I know folks like to deny this dynamic EVER existed and white folks have always just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, but that's a load of crap. Plenty of folks pulled themselves up as far as they could by those straps only to be denied access to opportunity. 

Thankfully - We are in a different time than the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. 
The youth of this nation are more diverse than ever and they largely aren't looking for a free lunch. 
They'll compete on a more level playing field than ever before and those who take advantage of their opportunities will succeed. 
Part of this new landscape is a bunch of butt-hurt white people who lament the loss of privilege. 
They'll just have to get over it. 

Ooh yeah - and to address your 2 wrongs quip:
Are you seriously trying to compare the whining of a modern white guy feeling discriminated against to the struggles of African Americans over the last century?  
That may be two "wrongs" but it's like comparing murder to shoplifting.

Lynchings had all but passed by the 60's. The practice was most common in the late 1800's and became less frequent. Were there people who were killed by racists during that time? almost certainly, but it's nothing like what we think of as the traditional lynching. I don't get why people resort to such hyperbole. 

Sure, white folks had an edge. However, economic success in this nation has predominantly been a plateau, not a mountain top or a "race," as some people like to say. There was never a time when all whites were millionaires or all whites crossed the finish line. There are just people who made it to the top before others, sat on it, and used their success to marginalize anyone who could threaten their power. They might be white, but they certainly don't look like me. This is the great lie that is believed by most people on the left. The great lie believed by most people on the right is that the government is out to oppress whites in favor of blacks. That's poppycock. The elites use the power of the government to oppress everyone for their gain. Whites are just feeling it differently than they have in the past. 

Until both groups start recognizing the actual problem, slightly more power will be given to the group that most benefits the elites. Unless they plan on uniting and fighting the problem together, why shouldn't whites push back against it? Why shouldn't minorities try to fight for the crumbs of the elites, too?

Show me the hyperbole in my statement.  There is none. I just asked a question based in factual context. 
I know the history and I know it continued into the 1960's. Frequency per decade was not the point. Far from it. 

Regarding the other paragraphs - I didn't espouse any of this "great lie" you're proclaiming. 
I merely pointed out why I find it comical for whites to whine about some horrible injustice being served them. 

Nothing wrong with anyone bucking a system that relegates them powerless against such social constructs as you suggest, I'm all for it,  but comparing the modern "plight" of middle class whites to other historical discrimination is a joke.

Sorry, pal. I generally agree with the sentiment of your original post but using the 1960's as a baseline for lynchings is propagating a false narrative. According to Wikipedia, there were 5 lynchings in the 60's. 3 of them were black, and 2 of them were white. I bet those whiteys were at least a little Irish. You don't think it's hyperbolic to make it seem like lynchings were common in the 60's or they were exclusive to blacks? There were more lynchings in the 80's than the 60's, lol. The 70's were even WORSE! 100 percent of the lynchings in the 70's were Jews. I mean, there was only one, but I think we can definitively state now that the Jews had it harder than the blacks way back then. C'mon, dude. It's hyperbolic.

As to your next point, I didn't say you espoused it. I pointed out two lies: One bought into by the right, and one bought into by the left. It was my addition to your commentary.

As to your last point, who compared the modern "plight" of middle-class whites to other historical discrimination? I am simply pointing out that the tactics used by the elites are the same. Nothing we experience currently is as bad as it was in the past. Hell, I'd take being a black dude in the 70's before I'd take the average white guy in the early 1900's.

(07-10-2023, 11:18 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, pal. I generally agree with the sentiment of your original post but using the 1960's as a baseline for lynchings is propagating a false narrative. According to Wikipedia, there were 5 lynchings in the 60's. 3 of them were black, and 2 of them were white. I bet those whiteys were at least a little Irish. You don't think it's hyperbolic to make it seem like lynchings were common in the 60's or they were exclusive to blacks?  There were more lynchings in the 80's than the 60's, lol. The 70's were even WORSE! 100 percent of the lynchings in the 70's were Jews. I mean, there was only one, but I think we can definitively state now that the Jews had it harder than the blacks way back then. C'mon, dude. It's hyperbolic. 

As to your next point, I didn't say you espoused it. I pointed out two lies: One bought into by the right, and one bought into by the left. It was my addition to your commentary.

As to your last point, who compared the modern "plight" of middle-class whites to other historical discrimination? I am simply pointing out that the tactics used by the elites are the same. Nothing we experience currently is as bad as it was in the past. Hell, I'd take being a black dude in the 70's before I'd take the average white guy in the early 1900's.

You should look up "hyperbolic" 
It doesn't mean what you think it means.
I didn't try to establish a baseline.
I asked if Irish folk were still being lynched in the 60's. 
You've created some weird false-narrative around my post that was never my intent. Go back and read it with fresh eyes tomorrow, maybe you'll see it. 

Or just stay stuck on the number of lynchings by decade. Has zero to do with the post, but whatever. 

To the bolded:
Umm, the OP. He did. I'm merely addressing the thread topic with that.