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(08-10-2023, 06:55 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2023, 09:57 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Once again I try to stay away from such topics BUT here's My Simple Perspective. There's no such race as Whites or Blacks so would ANYBody that's present and or reading my comments be willing to change places w/an so called Black Person? Would you be willing to be subjected to the Black History? This includes yesteryear's history, yesterday's history and today's history. Within several group sessions I have YET to have an Caucasion person admit that they would want to be treated like an Black or African American person. NOT ONE PERSON.

Any Takers?

So the question is, "Is it OK to discriminate against white people"? Why?

Because White People discriminated against Black People. DUH! What is said about oneself that does to others that doesn't want the same to be done to them? I too was raised to Not be Prejudice and I have maintained such an thought/mindset. My GG Parents, My Grand Parents and My Parents would roll over in their graves to such an thought. I Refuse. The reality is that it's still being taught to this day. 

I was in an shopping center a few years ago, and I overheard a little caucasion boy about 4-5 years old as he was pointing to me say "Look daddy, there's an [BLEEP]". 

Why is it O.K. to Discriminate against an different race BUT you don't want your race Discriminated upon? Its sad to say that during My Stay above ground I won't see it change or will I. I seriously doubt it.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

I'm not sure what you're saying.  But I will try to respond.  "Why is it O.K. to Discriminate against an different race..."  It is NOT okay to discriminate against a different race.  

"Is it OK to discriminate against white people? Why? Because White People discriminated against Black People. DUH!"

It is not okay to discriminate against anyone because of their race.  If you discriminate against a white person because another white person discriminated against a black person, then you are disciminating against that white person because they are white.  That is not ok.  That is the definition of racial discrimination.  You can't cure racial discrimination with more racial discrimination.  That type of action produces racial resentment among white people who are not guilty of anything except being white.  It drives the races apart and produces poisonous conflict between people and has the opposite effect of what we are trying to accomplish as a society.

I respectfully disagree w/this sentence.

If I as an black person discriminated against another black person because that black person discriminated against a white person, then I'm discriminating against that black person because he/she are racist, not their race.

NH3...

(08-11-2023, 09:39 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-10-2023, 06:55 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure what you're saying.  But I will try to respond.  "Why is it O.K. to Discriminate against an different race..."  It is NOT okay to discriminate against a different race.  

"Is it OK to discriminate against white people? Why? Because White People discriminated against Black People. DUH!"

It is not okay to discriminate against anyone because of their race.  If you discriminate against a white person because another white person discriminated against a black person, then you are disciminating against that white person because they are white.  That is not ok.  That is the definition of racial discrimination.  You can't cure racial discrimination with more racial discrimination.  That type of action produces racial resentment among white people who are not guilty of anything except being white.  It drives the races apart and produces poisonous conflict between people and has the opposite effect of what we are trying to accomplish as a society.

I respectfully disagree w/this sentence.

If I as an black person discriminated against another black person because that black person discriminated against a white person, then I'm discriminating against that black person because he/she are racist, not their race.

NH3...

But that's not what I said.  I said, "If you discriminate against a white person because another white person discriminated against a black person, then you are discriminating against that white person because they are white."  I'm talking about discriminating against white people who never discriminated against black people.  

Your example is person A penalizing person B because of something person B did.  I'm talking about person A penalizing person B because of something person C did.

Not a damn thing… zero [BLEEP] guilt. 

(08-12-2023, 07:33 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Not a damn thing… zero [BLEEP] guilt. 

Shut the hell up CRACKER!!

(08-11-2023, 06:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2023, 11:14 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't it true, though, that "black pride" and "white pride" are treated quite differently by the media and society at large?  The cartoon does make a valid point, doesn't it?

Sure 

If slavery and 160-some-odd years of civil rights oppression never happened, it would make a point. 
But that [BLEEP] happened and it's not yet distant in our rear view mirror. 

Maybe when we are far enough removed from the recent history 'black pride" and "white pride" won't have such disparate meanings. But for now - one is a pride stemming from a legacy of oppression. One is a pride inexorably linked to the legacy of the oppressors.

WTH? 

I don't get the whole pride thing in general. I didn't ask to be born a white female and I'm not proud to be white or a female. I'm not proud to be heterosexual or anything else. They're just who I am. I didn't do anything to achieve this. They're not an accomplishment they're just who I am. 

If I'm proud of anything it's goals I've reached in life and they have nothing to do with my race, my sex, or anything else of the kind. 

I know there are plenty of folks to do take pride in these things and more power to them I suppose, but I just don't get it.

(08-12-2023, 07:56 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2023, 06:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Sure 

If slavery and 160-some-odd years of civil rights oppression never happened, it would make a point. 
But that [BLEEP] happened and it's not yet distant in our rear view mirror. 

Maybe when we are far enough removed from the recent history 'black pride" and "white pride" won't have such disparate meanings. But for now - one is a pride stemming from a legacy of oppression. One is a pride inexorably linked to the legacy of the oppressors.

WTH? 

I don't get the whole pride thing in general. I didn't ask to be born a white female and I'm not proud to be white or a female. I'm not proud to be heterosexual or anything else. They're just who I am. I didn't do anything to achieve this. They're not an accomplishment they're just who I am. 

If I'm proud of anything it's goals I've reached in life and they have nothing to do with my race, my sex, or anything else of the kind. 

I know there are plenty of folks to do take pride in these things and more power to them I suppose, but I just don't get it.

I agree.  I was born white, male, American, but I'm not proud of that.  I feel very very lucky, but not particularly proud of it.  It's not something I accomplished.  It just happened.

(08-13-2023, 05:45 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-12-2023, 07:56 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]WTH? 

I don't get the whole pride thing in general. I didn't ask to be born a white female and I'm not proud to be white or a female. I'm not proud to be heterosexual or anything else. They're just who I am. I didn't do anything to achieve this. They're not an accomplishment they're just who I am. 

If I'm proud of anything it's goals I've reached in life and they have nothing to do with my race, my sex, or anything else of the kind. 

I know there are plenty of folks to do take pride in these things and more power to them I suppose, but I just don't get it.

I agree.  I was born white, male, American, but I'm not proud of that.  I feel very very lucky, but not particularly proud of it.  It's not something I accomplished.  It just happened.

That viewpoint doesn’t feed the racial political machine. There is power to be derived from your happenstance. Saying “it just happened” only confirms your privilege. You must be targeted for retribution in order to elevate others. 

But that’s discrimination, you may say. No, it’s social and racial justice. You’re the equivalent of an unindicted co-conspirator in the realm of white supremacy. Your achievements in life weren’t earned, they were given to you because “it just happened”. 

Are you picking up what I’m throwing down?

(08-12-2023, 07:56 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2023, 06:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Sure 

If slavery and 160-some-odd years of civil rights oppression never happened, it would make a point. 
But that [BLEEP] happened and it's not yet distant in our rear view mirror. 

Maybe when we are far enough removed from the recent history 'black pride" and "white pride" won't have such disparate meanings. But for now - one is a pride stemming from a legacy of oppression. One is a pride inexorably linked to the legacy of the oppressors.

WTH? 

I don't get the whole pride thing in general. I didn't ask to be born a white female and I'm not proud to be white or a female. I'm not proud to be heterosexual or anything else. They're just who I am. I didn't do anything to achieve this. They're not an accomplishment they're just who I am. 

If I'm proud of anything it's goals I've reached in life and they have nothing to do with my race, my sex, or anything else of the kind. 

I know there are plenty of folks to do take pride in these things and more power to them I suppose, but I just don't get it.

I'm not attempting to serve or propagate  the concept of "pride" from any group. 

I was just pointing out the flaw in a post. 

Discrimination sucks, but it's a human flaw that we'll probably never rid ourselves of. Whites feeling discrimination is just a new cycle in the ever evolving social landscape as our society homogenizes and shifts in minority percentages. 
They sure do love to whine and complain about it around here, though.   LOL

We could easily rid ourselves of racial discrimination. It won't be done by talking about it all the time, though.

You sure don't hear about the Dems and Libs talking about child trafficing and sex abuse as much as they do about race..

(08-13-2023, 02:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You sure don't hear about the Dems and Libs talking about child trafficing and sex abuse as much as they do about race..

Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

(08-13-2023, 11:41 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2023, 02:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You sure don't hear about the Dems and Libs talking about child trafficing and sex abuse as much as they do about race..

Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

Remember when that was the goal? Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

(08-13-2023, 12:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-12-2023, 07:56 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]WTH? 

I don't get the whole pride thing in general. I didn't ask to be born a white female and I'm not proud to be white or a female. I'm not proud to be heterosexual or anything else. They're just who I am. I didn't do anything to achieve this. They're not an accomplishment they're just who I am. 

If I'm proud of anything it's goals I've reached in life and they have nothing to do with my race, my sex, or anything else of the kind. 

I know there are plenty of folks to do take pride in these things and more power to them I suppose, but I just don't get it.

I'm not attempting to serve or propagate  the concept of "pride" from any group. 

I was just pointing out the flaw in a post. 

Discrimination sucks, but it's a human flaw that we'll probably never rid ourselves of. Whites feeling discrimination is just a new cycle in the ever evolving social landscape as our society homogenizes and shifts in minority percentages. 
They sure do love to whine and complain about it around here, though.   LOL

I've had more issues with sexism than discrimination. Being a white female in the south is not for the feint of heart because many southern men sure do think they're God's gift to you and they let you know it every chance they get. And if you try to set them straight even in a nice way they get pretty cranky. I'm always nice until I'm not and when I'm not.....

Thankful I don't have to deal with this crap very much anymore. I guess not being in my 20s and 30s anymore has benefits. That, and I've perfected the RBF look.

(08-13-2023, 11:41 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2023, 02:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You sure don't hear about the Dems and Libs talking about child trafficing and sex abuse as much as they do about race..

Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

No, the liberals don't talk about child and sex trafficking because their focus is on racism. 

IMO both sides are ignoring it and it's tragic.

(08-13-2023, 11:55 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2023, 11:41 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

No, the liberals don't talk about child and sex trafficking because their focus is on racism creating division to maintain their voting block.

IMO both sides are ignoring it and it's tragic.

FTFY

(08-13-2023, 11:41 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2023, 02:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You sure don't hear about the Dems and Libs talking about child trafficing and sex abuse as much as they do about race..

Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

Politicians cannot end or fix racism, they can only fuel it (which they obviously very much enjoy).  They can, however, dedicate resources to help prevent child sex abuse.

(08-13-2023, 11:41 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2023, 02:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You sure don't hear about the Dems and Libs talking about child trafficing and sex abuse as much as they do about race..

Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

When folks don't have a leg to stand on in a debate they often deflect.

Such is the nature of the recent focus on sex trafficking and related crimes from the right. 

"My side cares more about this particular horrible thing than your side does!" has got to be the weakest [BLEEP] flex ever.

(08-14-2023, 02:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2023, 11:41 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

When folks don't have a leg to stand on in a debate they deflect.

Such is the nature of the recent focus on sex trafficking and related crimes from the right. 

"My side cares more about this particular horrible thing than your side does!" has got to be the weakest [BLEEP] flex ever.

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

(08-14-2023, 02:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2023, 11:41 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

When folks don't have a leg to stand on in a debate they often deflect.

Such is the nature of the recent focus on sex trafficking and related crimes from the right. 

"My side cares more about this particular horrible thing than your side does!" has got to be the weakest [BLEEP] flex ever.

I agree.  Most Republicans are keeping child abuse in the proper context.  Most Republicans understand that it is always punished whenever it is known about. Unfortunately it often is not known about until years later.  The people who loudly insist that elite people are committing this terrible act and going unpunished, they're not just filling the Republican vs Democrat arena up with nonsense, they're also filling the Republican vs Republican debate up with nonsense.

Most people want to be a hero, or at least want to be one of the ones who supports the heroes of their time.  If there is no crisis demanding a hero, or if you would rather ignore the crisis that does exist, you make up a crisis so you can paint yourself as the hero of it.  Lies like this become very attractive.

(08-14-2023, 02:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2023, 11:41 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe because--stay with me here--LITERALLY NOBODY THINKS THAT CHILD TRAFFICKING AND SEX ABUSE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY.  Repubs don't get extra points for being like "hey these things are wrong!"

It's actually perfectly acceptable--hell, some might even say normal--to think that racism exists and is wrong and that child trafficking is also wrong.  Nobody disagrees about the latter, but plenty of folks run around saying they "don't see color" or that "racism is only an issue because people keep making it an issue."

By the way, it isn't liberal and democratic politicians who are trying to abolish minimum marriage ages and force underage girls to carry to term when raped by grown men.  Just saying.

When folks don't have a leg to stand on in a debate they often deflect.

Such is the nature of the recent focus on sex trafficking and related crimes from the right. 

"My side cares more about this particular horrible thing than your side does!" has got to be the weakest [BLEEP] flex ever.

(08-14-2023, 06:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-14-2023, 02:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]When folks don't have a leg to stand on in a debate they often deflect.

Such is the nature of the recent focus on sex trafficking and related crimes from the right. 

"My side cares more about this particular horrible thing than your side does!" has got to be the weakest [BLEEP] flex ever.

I agree.  Most Republicans are keeping child abuse in the proper context.  Most Republicans understand that it is always punished whenever it is known about. Unfortunately it often is not known about until years later.  The people who loudly insist that elite people are committing this terrible act and going unpunished, they're not just filling the Republican vs Democrat arena up with nonsense, they're also filling the Republican vs Republican debate up with nonsense.

Most people want to be a hero, or at least want to be one of the ones who supports the heroes of their time.  If there is no crisis demanding a hero, or if you would rather ignore the crisis that does exist, you make up a crisis so you can paint yourself as the hero of it.  Lies like this become very attractive.

Remember the Me Too movement?