(08-07-2023, 09:39 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 01:46 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Now let's flip the scriptn. For ALL of the so called Whites within America, would you trade places w/Blacks on any level?
Let me think about this. JayZ has Beyonce and Wilt Chamberlain claimed to have slept with over 20,000 women so there may have been a time where I would have traded places with certain blacks since you qualified it as being at any level.
Overall however, I wouldn't since there is an absolute level of discrimination in their daily lives.
I am not a very ambitious person, otherwise I would happily trade places. I would get almost all of the benefits with very few of the drawbacks.
(08-07-2023, 09:39 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 01:46 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Now let's flip the scriptn. For ALL of the so called Whites within America, would you trade places w/Blacks on any level?
Let me think about this. JayZ has Beyonce and Wilt Chamberlain claimed to have slept with over 20,000 women so there may have been a time where I would have traded places with certain blacks since you qualified it as being at any level.
Overall however, I wouldn't since there is an absolute level of discrimination in their daily lives.
I'm pretty happy where I am, and I would be afraid JayZ and Wilt Chamberlain might have problems that I don't want. Chamberlain being dead, for example. As for JayZ facing discrimination? I don't think he does. Billionaire trumps black in any situation.
I think trading places is the wrong way to think about it. If you get anybody's situation without also getting their knowledge and life experience, it would be impossibly hard to even cope, mentally.
I think of it more in terms of challenges. In life, everyone has a few challenges. Things they overcome. In America, being white is not one of them. Forming an identity as a white person is not one of them. I never heard the "that was very white of you" joke until I was in my late 20s. But being Black is a challenge. I watched the black people I went to school with worry about their peers saying they were "acting white" whenever they did well in school. Being told they had to code switch before they tried to speak to a white person and switch back before they talk to black people again. They didn't complain, but obviously it takes extra mental horsepower to keep of with challenges like this. And I didn't have them simply because I pass as white. Even though I'm a mutt.
I've always wanted to be Wayne Brady. To have that kind of talent and imagination would be awesome.
(08-07-2023, 10:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I've always wanted to be Wayne Brady. To have that kind of talent and imagination would be awesome.
Dude is mega talented for sure.
Is Wayne Brady gonna have to slap a [BLEEP]?
(08-07-2023, 03:48 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2023, 09:39 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Let me think about this. JayZ has Beyonce and Wilt Chamberlain claimed to have slept with over 20,000 women so there may have been a time where I would have traded places with certain blacks since you qualified it as being at any level.
Overall however, I wouldn't since there is an absolute level of discrimination in their daily lives.
I am not a very ambitious person, otherwise I would happily trade places. I would get almost all of the benefits with very few of the drawbacks.
This is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. It's as if you believe that black people struggle because they don't try, and you, exceptional human being that you are, will take the "advantages" they have and show them how it's done.
Please stop. It's embarrassing.
No, [BLEEP]. I am not very ambitious. Me. The guy typing this. Not blacks. Because of this, I believe I would face a harsher bias if I had black skin. Not because I think blacks aren't ambitious, but because it feeds into a stereotype. I think other people would attribute it to my race and not to me as an individual. Not only that, but I also wouldn't want to misrepresent blacks since white folks in this country have a hard time treating them like individuals, yourself seemingly included.
It's a luxury, if you want to call it that, that people just see me, the individual, as lazy and don't attribute it to my race. That said, if I were ambitious and cared to try to work my way up the corporate ladder, I think it would be much easier if I had black skin. All of the benefits and none of the drawbacks.
I grew up around black folks, dude. We didn't have a lot of money. I was a baller. My nickname in high school was Cracker, and I'm not joking. I have to consciously make myself speak and act a different way than I did when I grew up to assimilate as an adult. I was just talking with one of my black friends the other day about code switching, and it didn't even occur to her that I had to do it as well. To make it worse, I can't code switch when I hang out with other blacks because they assume I'm faking it, you know, since that's a common white person thing to do. You need to be careful how you posture.
(08-08-2023, 01:15 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2023, 03:48 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I am not a very ambitious person, otherwise I would happily trade places. I would get almost all of the benefits with very few of the drawbacks.
This is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. It's as if you believe that black people struggle because they don't try, and you, exceptional human being that you are, will take the "advantages" they have and show them how it's done.
Please stop. It's embarrassing.
Clearly you're not well read then.
(08-08-2023, 01:31 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]No, [BLEEP]. I am not very ambitious. Me. The guy typing this. Not blacks. Because of this, I believe I would face a harsher bias if I had black skin. Not because I think blacks aren't ambitious, but because it feeds into a stereotype.
Perhaps that could be another new lesson in our Florida educational system. The slave owners were credited for making the slaves very ambitious. I mean, who else, other than the Nazi's, could motivate their workers to work 16 hours per day for table scraps.
(08-08-2023, 01:03 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2023, 12:42 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Interview with one of the authors of the single passage that has so many panties twisted up.
Nearest Green says to have a drink.
He's dancing around the issue. Even if a slave owner let a slave accumulate a small amount of money, even a large amount of money, the owner could take that money back at any time and the slave would not be able to do anything about it. The other white people would ignore the situation. No real benefits of money or possessions were possible until emancipation. Whether your name is nearest green or Frederick Douglass or anyone else.
That's a valid point. Whether these skills could be applied for the slave's personal benefit was up to the master.
On the other hand, the sentence says "...in some instances...," which is pretty vague. That's why I can't get all up in arms about this.
(08-08-2023, 01:18 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2023, 01:03 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]He's dancing around the issue. Even if a slave owner let a slave accumulate a small amount of money, even a large amount of money, the owner could take that money back at any time and the slave would not be able to do anything about it. The other white people would ignore the situation. No real benefits of money or possessions were possible until emancipation. Whether your name is nearest green or Frederick Douglass or anyone else.
That's a valid point. Whether these skills could be applied for the slave's personal benefit was up to the master.
On the other hand, the sentence says "...in some instances...," which is pretty vague. That's why I can't get all up in arms about this.
Correct. Green is one example of many. But since the passage is associated with DeSantis, it must be canceled at all costs.
If Joe Biden had muttered the same sentence before [BLEEP] his pants and shuffling offstage, the left would be hoisting Nearest Green as African American accomplishment in the face of adversity. Context is everything here.
Jack Daniels name was attached to his creation from 1866. No one thought of marketing a product with nearest green's name until 2017. We do not know if nearest green died poor or rich. This story is not really proving the point you think it is.
(08-08-2023, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Jack Daniels name was attached to his creation from 1866. No one thought of marketing a product with nearest green's name until 2017. We do not know if nearest green died poor or rich. This story is not really proving the point you think it is.
Lol, he was a slave who learned to distill while a slave and ended up a free man and the first Master Distiller of one of the world's most famous distilleries. Don't you DARE try to take that accomplishment from that man just to play your endless word games you door knob.
(08-08-2023, 01:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2023, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Jack Daniels name was attached to his creation from 1866. No one thought of marketing a product with nearest green's name until 2017. We do not know if nearest green died poor or rich. This story is not really proving the point you think it is.
Lol, he was a slave who learned to distill while a slave and ended up a free man and the first Master Distiller of one of the world's most famous distilleries. Don't you DARE try to take that accomplishment from that man just to play your endless word games you door knob.
Brown Forman didn't include him in their official history until after his family started their own whiskey brand. And either way, the story is very poorly sourced. Whatever you think the story means, it might not be true.
Don’t mention that some free blacks and Native Americans owned slaves as well or heads will explode.
Now before someone tries to assert that I’m excusing the institution of slavery, I am not. What I am asserting is the outrage over that one sentence is selective and completely fails to take historical context into account. As much as some want to believe that sentence was written by Ron DeSantis while wearing a hood and robe, it was not. It was composed by a panel of black scholars presenting a picture of the resourcefulness and rise from extreme adversity by those directly affected by slavery.