(07-13-2023, 11:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2023, 06:03 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I don't find it hilarious at all. We have seen our government go from campaigning against discrimination, and outlawing discrimination in the 1960s, to endorsing discrimination and encouraging it, starting in the very next decade. That is a horrible thing to do for race relations.
No, it's not comical. It's not comical to go from outlawing discrimination, from trying to teach everyone that discrimination is bad, to saying, unless it's discrimination against white males, then it's okay. Government policies like that are a recruiting tool for right wing extremists. To turn civil rights on its head, and say everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others? Not funny at all.
LOLWUT??
Who is "endorsing discrimination and encouraging it?"
I'm talking about affirmative action, quotas, diversity programs, stuff like that. It's legalized racial and sex discrimination.
And who is endorsing and encouraging it? The government, major colleges and universities, large corporations.
It's creating a new set of victims to replace the old set of victims. And this new set of victims is co-opted and politically exploited by right wing extremists.
Now, in one thread, you were concerned about right wing extremists, but over in this thread, you think one of the things that is causing this right wing extremism is funny. It's not funny. It's causing the very thing you are concerned about.
Why do you think Trump's base consists mainly of white people without a college education? These are people who are constantly in fear of slipping out of the lower middle class. And then they see that the world is favoring one group or another over them. I personally would never vote for Trump. But I have to admit these people have a grievance, and they don't see the government being on their side.
This whole idea of favoring one group over another is pure poison to our society. And yet for the past 50 years, this idea has been pushed forward by our government.
I have a college education and I'm a Trump supporter..
(07-13-2023, 12:27 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I have a college education and I'm a Trump supporter..
Yeah, well we already know there's something wrong with you.
(07-13-2023, 12:03 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2023, 11:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOLWUT??
Who is "endorsing discrimination and encouraging it?"
I'm talking about affirmative action, quotas, diversity programs, stuff like that. It's legalized racial and sex discrimination.
And who is endorsing and encouraging it? The government, major colleges and universities, large corporations.
It's creating a new set of victims to replace the old set of victims. And this new set of victims is co-opted and politically exploited by right wing extremists.
Now, in one thread, you were concerned about right wing extremists, but over in this thread, you think one of the things that is causing this right wing extremism is funny. It's not funny. It's causing the very thing you are concerned about.
Why do you think Trump's base consists mainly of white people without a college education? These are people who are constantly in fear of slipping out of the lower middle class. And then they see that the world is favoring one group or another over them. I personally would never vote for Trump. But I have to admit these people have a grievance, and they don't see the government being on their side.
This whole idea of favoring one group over another is pure poison to our society. And yet for the past 50 years, this idea has been pushed forward by our government.
Oh, I see.
I thought we were past that part of the discussion. My bad.
Existing programs created to mitigate the discrimination of minorities are already under heavy fire and as our populace grows more and more homogenized I anticipate we'll see fewer and fewer of those programs - and less and less funding driven to them. You can't continue to mitigate a problem as the "problem" diminishes to less of a problem and more of a "concern" to keep an eye on.
I don't take any issue with folks wanting to ensure that programs meant to give a leg up to those lacking opportunity are commensurate with the actual need of that minority or subset of citizens.
Those programs should be carefully measured and terminated when no longer necessary.
When does the gov. step in or not step in to mitigate a lopsided availability of opportunity? This will always be a slippery slope. I don't have a definitive answer.
What I DO know is that the current climate of discrimination against middle class whites in the USA is indeed comical when compared to what so many other groups have endured over the past dozen decades despite the efforts of affirmative action and other programs.
Regular Joe white guy just ain't got [BLEEP] to complain about, my friend.
(07-13-2023, 12:34 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (07-13-2023, 12:27 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I have a college education and I'm a Trump supporter..
Yeah, well we already know there's something wrong with you.
And I've come to terms with that..
(08-04-2023, 06:31 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/mrstevensteele/statu...a-zKsZPEZA
It's the equivalent of hate speech and racism. I understand the history over there is brutal, as it is, virtually everywhere in the world. Some wounds may be fresher than others naturally as some of these events are maybe just three to fourth generations removed in most recent case studies and occurrences.
However, the media needs to call a spade a spade when they see it. There's no way in hell that blatant racism and hate, regardless of color or creed, should be watered down or even remotely spun around into something being taken out of context. I have a strong stomach. With all due respect to the New York Post.
You can specifically find images all around the internet of Black South African violence towards White South African people. It's not something to be glossed over or forgiven. I have seen images of families, in some instances, children and toddlers, completely butchered for simply being white in South Africa.
This isn't a context issue at all. The New York Post should be ashamed of itself. And, again, it should not be tolerated from any race.
(08-05-2023, 07:07 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2023, 06:31 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/mrstevensteele/statu...a-zKsZPEZA
It's the equivalent of hate speech and racism. I understand the history over there is brutal, as it is, virtually everywhere in the world. Some wounds may be fresher than others naturally as some of these events are maybe just three to fourth generations removed in most recent case studies and occurrences.
However, the media needs to call a spade a spade when they see it. There's no way in hell that blatant racism and hate, regardless of color or creed, should be watered down or even remotely spun around into something being taken out of context. I have a strong stomach. With all due respect to the New York Post.
You can specifically find images all around the internet of Black South African violence towards White South African people. It's not something to be glossed over or forgiven. I have seen images of families, in some instances, children and toddlers, completely butchered for simply being white in South Africa.
This isn't a context issue at all. The New York Post should be ashamed of itself. And, again, it should not be tolerated from any race.
You can't be surprised, this is what the left wants around the world but most desperately in the United States. It's a large plank in their entire platform.
I sincerely try to stay away from such threads BUT I Must comment.
There's No Such race as an White or Black person. ALL Caucasion are from Europe, Russia, Asia, Spain, etc. You should get my point. The Black and White race was derived to be the majority of the Blacks or should I say African Americans. All European, Russian, Asian Americans were classified as White to be the majority.
Now let's flip the scriptn. For ALL of the so called Whites within America, would you trade places w/Blacks on any level? Would you be willing to be treated like Blacks/African Americans are treated.
I'll Wait...
NH3...
(08-05-2023, 01:46 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]I sincerely try to stay away from such threads BUT I Must comment.
There's No Such race as an White or Black person. ALL Caucasion are from Europe, Russia, Asia, Spain, etc. You should get my point. The Black and White race was derived to be the majority of the Blacks or should I say African Americans. All European, Russian, Asian Americans were classified as White to be the majority.
Now let's flip the scriptn. For ALL of the so called Whites within America, would you trade places w/Blacks on any level? Would you be willing to be treated like Blacks/African Americans are treated.
I'll Wait...
NH3...
You should sincerely stay away from such threads.
(08-05-2023, 01:46 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]I sincerely try to stay away from such threads BUT I Must comment.
There's No Such race as an White or Black person. ALL Caucasion are from Europe, Russia, Asia, Spain, etc. You should get my point. The Black and White race was derived to be the majority of the Blacks or should I say African Americans. All European, Russian, Asian Americans were classified as White to be the majority.
Now let's flip the scriptn. For ALL of the so called Whites within America, would you trade places w/Blacks on any level? Would you be willing to be treated like Blacks/African Americans are treated.
I'll Wait...
NH3...
Any level? No.
Above my level? Naturally.
I would apply this to anybody though, regardless of color or creed. There are simply some people in this world, in this country, abroad, etc. They simply have it well off or better off than most. However, not to sound too childish about it all. I also know that gold doesn't always glitter and the grass is not always greener. It's not always about the money.
There's a sadness, a trade off when it comes to humanity in general. Eventually, all good things become dull and devour you. Eventually, some bad things can be overcame and without some obstacles you wouldn't know what it's like to feel good or happy. Cliches for sure. But, they're true.
Joy wouldn't feel so good if it wasn't for pain. I'll leave you with a poem I enjoy. Because it's almost 1600 hours and I am putting a cap on a 65 hour work week with just Sunday off tomorrow before getting back into work on Monday. Cheers man because in the end, time always wins:
I've been around the world
I've seen a million things
I've fought in countless wars
And dined with many kings.
I've seen the northern lights
I've counted all the stars
Been in 'n' out of Saturn's rings
And started life on Mars.
I'm fluent in every language
I've tasted each cuisine
I've stayed in every palace
And lived what people dream.
I was there when it began
And I know when it will end
My only enemy is man.
Yet you are still my dearest friend.
I invented evolution
I gave you your first breath
I was there at your conception
And I'll be there at the time of death.
"Marcus Pete Robert Welfare"
I wouldn't trade places with anybody at any level.
This whole thread is hilarious. Wow. Black people were enslaved and subsequently systematically oppressed to the point that their starting line remains far behind white people. Black people who held office in the South post-Civil War were murdered or threatened out of office. Black wealth was destroyed by white people. The very government was against black people for the vast majority of this country's history.
And white people are whining because people don't like them and they don't like being called racist. What a joke.
(08-07-2023, 12:01 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]This whole thread is hilarious. Wow. Black people were enslaved and subsequently systematically oppressed to the point that their starting line remains far behind white people. Black people who held office in the South post-Civil War were murdered or threatened out of office. Black wealth was destroyed by white people. The very government was against black people for the vast majority of this country's history.
And white people are whining because people don't like them and they don't like being called racist. What a joke.
A couple of comments about what you said.
Yes, the bad things you describe did happen. but, the white people of today are not guilty of the acts committed by their ancestors. And secondly, white people aren't "whining" because "people don't like them." They are legitimately unhappy when they are penalized for things they themselves did not do, or penalized because of their race. No one should be discriminated against because of the color of their skin, or because of something someone else did a hundred or two hundred years ago. And that includes white people.
And when you say "people don't like" white people, you are describing racism. And if you think it's okay to not like white people, then you are a racist.
(08-07-2023, 06:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2023, 12:01 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]This whole thread is hilarious. Wow. Black people were enslaved and subsequently systematically oppressed to the point that their starting line remains far behind white people. Black people who held office in the South post-Civil War were murdered or threatened out of office. Black wealth was destroyed by white people. The very government was against black people for the vast majority of this country's history.
And white people are whining because people don't like them and they don't like being called racist. What a joke.
A couple of comments about what you said.
Yes, the bad things you describe did happen. but, the white people of today are not guilty of the acts committed by their ancestors. And secondly, white people aren't "whining" because "people don't like them." They are legitimately unhappy when they are penalized for things they themselves did not do, or penalized because of their race. No one should be discriminated against because of the color of their skin, or because of something someone else did a hundred or two hundred years ago. And that includes white people.
And when you say "people don't like" white people, you are describing racism. And if you think it's okay to not like white people, then you are a racist.
In addition to what Marty said, the great myth proposed by the left is that it's a race that we're all still running, and blacks have no chance of catching up. It's not. It's a plateau. Sure, white people got there first, but the obstacles that prevented blacks from reaching it have been removed. If they want to adopt the tools that got the white middle class there, they can easily get there. Except the modern left (still dominated by white elites) doesn't want them to use those tools.
Now, if you want to make the goal that you see black representation among the elite in this country, then you're correct. It's impossible for blacks as a whole to get there. It's also impossible for whites as a whole to get there, so it's not a race issue. The left does a good job of making black and brown people the face of their movement (while continuing to propagate a system that benefits the established elites behind the scenes), but it does nothing to bring up the race as a whole, largely in part because it doesn't believe in the middle class. Can't get to the plateau if the left doesn't want it to exist.
(08-07-2023, 08:45 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2023, 06:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of comments about what you said.
Yes, the bad things you describe did happen. but, the white people of today are not guilty of the acts committed by their ancestors. And secondly, white people aren't "whining" because "people don't like them." They are legitimately unhappy when they are penalized for things they themselves did not do, or penalized because of their race. No one should be discriminated against because of the color of their skin, or because of something someone else did a hundred or two hundred years ago. And that includes white people.
And when you say "people don't like" white people, you are describing racism. And if you think it's okay to not like white people, then you are a racist.
In addition to what Marty said, the great myth proposed by the left is that it's a race that we're all still running, and blacks have no chance of catching up. It's not. It's a plateau. Sure, white people got there first, but the obstacles that prevented blacks from reaching it have been removed. If they want to adopt the tools that got the white middle class there, they can easily get there. Except the modern left (still dominated by white elites) doesn't want them to use those tools.
Now, if you want to make the goal that you see black representation among the elite in this country, then you're correct. It's impossible for blacks as a whole to get there. It's also impossible for whites as a whole to get there, so it's not a race issue. The left does a good job of making black and brown people the face of their movement (while continuing to propagate a system that benefits the established elites behind the scenes), but it does nothing to bring up the race as a whole, largely in part because it doesn't believe in the middle class. Can't get to the plateau if the left doesn't want it to exist.
I disagree with a lot of what you say there, because I think it is still more difficult than it should be for a black person to succeed as opposed to a white person, for a variety of reasons. My point is that discriminating against white people is a very bad way to make up for the disadvantages black people face, and is actually very counterproductive, because the (very justifiable) white resentment it produces is the breeding ground for the racism that black people face.
One could write a book about the reasons why affirmative action or government sponsored discrimination against white people (or Asians) is a very bad thing.
(08-07-2023, 06:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2023, 12:01 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]This whole thread is hilarious. Wow. Black people were enslaved and subsequently systematically oppressed to the point that their starting line remains far behind white people. Black people who held office in the South post-Civil War were murdered or threatened out of office. Black wealth was destroyed by white people. The very government was against black people for the vast majority of this country's history.
And white people are whining because people don't like them and they don't like being called racist. What a joke.
A couple of comments about what you said.
Yes, the bad things you describe did happen. but, the white people of today are not guilty of the acts committed by their ancestors. And secondly, white people aren't "whining" because "people don't like them." They are legitimately unhappy when they are penalized for things they themselves did not do, or penalized because of their race. No one should be discriminated against because of the color of their skin, or because of something someone else did a hundred or two hundred years ago. And that includes white people.
And when you say "people don't like" white people, you are describing racism. And if you think it's okay to not like white people, then you are a racist.
Marty.
Go read the first page of this thread again.
YOU may not be whining about that, but it is indeed happening.
(and it's still hilarious to me)
(08-07-2023, 09:12 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2023, 06:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of comments about what you said.
Yes, the bad things you describe did happen. but, the white people of today are not guilty of the acts committed by their ancestors. And secondly, white people aren't "whining" because "people don't like them." They are legitimately unhappy when they are penalized for things they themselves did not do, or penalized because of their race. No one should be discriminated against because of the color of their skin, or because of something someone else did a hundred or two hundred years ago. And that includes white people.
And when you say "people don't like" white people, you are describing racism. And if you think it's okay to not like white people, then you are a racist.
Marty.
Go read the first page of this thread again.
YOU may not be whining about that, but it is indeed happening.
(and it's still hilarious to me)
One wacko on this message board does not represent "white people." If I said, Louis Farrakan hates white people, therefore black people hate white people, surely you would find fault with such a statement. One wacko doesn't represent an entire race.
And if he's whining, it's not because people don't like him. He likes the fact that people don't like him.
And as I have stated before, the fact that you find white resentment hilarious tells me that you don't understand the depth of the problem. But I'm way too lazy to re-explain my views when they have already been detailed in this thread.
(08-05-2023, 01:46 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Now let's flip the scriptn. For ALL of the so called Whites within America, would you trade places w/Blacks on any level?
Let me think about this. JayZ has Beyonce and Wilt Chamberlain claimed to have slept with over 20,000 women so there may have been a time where I would have traded places with certain blacks since you qualified it as being at any level.
Overall however, I wouldn't since there is an absolute level of discrimination in their daily lives.
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