(09-02-2023, 05:39 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2023, 04:22 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]In his and half the fanbase’s defense, rumor has it Baalke was the one who pitched hiring Meyer. It makes sense because he had a prior affinity for college coaches (eg, Chip Kelly). Drafting Tavon Walker at #1, against conventional wisdom, still looks like an ego-driven quest to be seen as the smartest guy in the room. Yes, he’s drafted well overall here and struck gold on some free agent acquisitions, but let’s not overlook Pederson’s considerable influence over the operations. I’m sure he had a hand in merging the position coaches’ draft assessments with the scouts’. Pederson, who reportedly was leery of working with Baalke given his arrogant reputation, likely requested to report directly to Khan rather than Baalke. Thus, Baalke seems like a chastened man, willing to allow the coaches to have a lot of input on personnel.
I never once heard Baalke pushed Meyer. Meyer was buddy-buddy with Khan from everything I heard.
Yea it was 100% a Khan hire. They were buddies and Urbs swindled him like he does a lot of people.
Pretty sure I read that Baalke told Urbs it would be ok to stay behind in Ohio after the game. Definitely not looking out for him by telling him that, because Baalke has been around far long enough to know that stuff doesn't fly/happen. I doubt many people liked Urbs in that building.
He rubbed people raw from the moment he got here. So many pathetic stories have already come out about how he treated people etc. during that season. Only more will continue to come out as time goes on.
(09-02-2023, 06:18 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2023, 05:39 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I never once heard Baalke pushed Meyer. Meyer was buddy-buddy with Khan from everything I heard.
Yea it was 100% a Khan hire. They were buddies and Urbs swindled him like he does a lot of people.
Pretty sure I read that Baalke told Urbs it would be ok to stay behind in Ohio after the game. Definitely not looking out for him by telling him that, because Baalke has been around far long enough to know that stuff doesn't fly/happen. I doubt many people liked Urbs in that building.
He rubbed people raw from the moment he got here. So many pathetic stories have already come out about how he treated people etc. during that season. Only more will continue to come out as time goes on.
Yep. That's all Khan more than anybody. Can't stand seeing Urb's [BLEEP] mug on Saturday's during college pregame shows.
(09-02-2023, 04:22 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2023, 10:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You literally used the clown avatar protesting Khan for keeping Baalke along with that "half" of the fanbase.
You should be apologizing to the man.
In his and half the fanbase’s defense, rumor has it Baalke was the one who pitched hiring Meyer. It makes sense because he had a prior affinity for college coaches (eg, Chip Kelly). Drafting Tavon Walker at #1, against conventional wisdom, still looks like an ego-driven quest to be seen as the smartest guy in the room. Yes, he’s drafted well overall here and struck gold on some free agent acquisitions, but let’s not overlook Pederson’s considerable influence over the operations. I’m sure he had a hand in merging the position coaches’ draft assessments with the scouts’. Pederson, who reportedly was leery of working with Baalke given his arrogant reputation, likely requested to report directly to Khan rather than Baalke. Thus, Baalke seems like a chastened man, willing to allow the coaches to have a lot of input on personnel.
Khan pushed Meyer on Baalke - and Khan pushed Baalke to give him too much draft input.
To the credit of Khan, Baalke, and Pederson, the current regime has struck a proper balance of GM/Coaching Staff input on draft decisions and if you pay attention to Baalke's answers to questions from local media - you can rather easily discern which picks he's crediting to coaching influence. (Walker being the most obvious - but also Harrison)
(09-03-2023, 04:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2023, 04:22 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]In his and half the fanbase’s defense, rumor has it Baalke was the one who pitched hiring Meyer. It makes sense because he had a prior affinity for college coaches (eg, Chip Kelly). Drafting Tavon Walker at #1, against conventional wisdom, still looks like an ego-driven quest to be seen as the smartest guy in the room. Yes, he’s drafted well overall here and struck gold on some free agent acquisitions, but let’s not overlook Pederson’s considerable influence over the operations. I’m sure he had a hand in merging the position coaches’ draft assessments with the scouts’. Pederson, who reportedly was leery of working with Baalke given his arrogant reputation, likely requested to report directly to Khan rather than Baalke. Thus, Baalke seems like a chastened man, willing to allow the coaches to have a lot of input on personnel.
Khan pushed Meyer on Baalke - and Khan pushed Baalke to give him too much draft input.
To the credit of Khan, Baalke, and Pederson, the current regime has struck a proper balance of GM/Coaching Staff input on draft decisions and if you pay attention to Baalke's answers to questions from local media - you can rather easily discern which picks he's crediting to coaching influence. (Walker being the most obvious - but also Harrison)
Baalke was the driving force of the Walker pick. He valued “potential” over production (Hutch).
(09-03-2023, 05:06 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 04:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Khan pushed Meyer on Baalke - and Khan pushed Baalke to give him too much draft input.
To the credit of Khan, Baalke, and Pederson, the current regime has struck a proper balance of GM/Coaching Staff input on draft decisions and if you pay attention to Baalke's answers to questions from local media - you can rather easily discern which picks he's crediting to coaching influence. (Walker being the most obvious - but also Harrison)
Baalke was the driving force of the Walker pick. He valued “potential” over production (Hutch).
Where are you getting that info? Or is it strictly opinion?
He references coaching input when asked about Walker in two different post draft interviews, and two more since then.
I feel fine taking that for what it is.
What are you guys doing up so early?
(09-03-2023, 04:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2023, 04:22 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]In his and half the fanbase’s defense, rumor has it Baalke was the one who pitched hiring Meyer. It makes sense because he had a prior affinity for college coaches (eg, Chip Kelly). Drafting Tavon Walker at #1, against conventional wisdom, still looks like an ego-driven quest to be seen as the smartest guy in the room. Yes, he’s drafted well overall here and struck gold on some free agent acquisitions, but let’s not overlook Pederson’s considerable influence over the operations. I’m sure he had a hand in merging the position coaches’ draft assessments with the scouts’. Pederson, who reportedly was leery of working with Baalke given his arrogant reputation, likely requested to report directly to Khan rather than Baalke. Thus, Baalke seems like a chastened man, willing to allow the coaches to have a lot of input on personnel.
Khan pushed Meyer on Baalke - and Khan pushed Baalke to give him too much draft input.
To the credit of Khan, Baalke, and Pederson, the current regime has struck a proper balance of GM/Coaching Staff input on draft decisions and if you pay attention to Baalke's answers to questions from local media - you can rather easily discern which picks he's crediting to coaching influence. (Walker being the most obvious - but also Harrison)
Strange as well. Just in his last interview they asked him how he felt about his picks and he corrected the person asking the questions as said "our" picks. Right after Stange was picked they asked Baalke what he liked so much about Strange and he directed the question to Doug and said I'll let Doug take this one. The Walker pick I'm not sure about but I definitely think they let Mike Caldwell have a lot a say in that pick as well
As far as Meyer, that was definitely Khans guy. Khan wanted Urbs for years
(09-03-2023, 08:22 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 04:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Khan pushed Meyer on Baalke - and Khan pushed Baalke to give him too much draft input.
To the credit of Khan, Baalke, and Pederson, the current regime has struck a proper balance of GM/Coaching Staff input on draft decisions and if you pay attention to Baalke's answers to questions from local media - you can rather easily discern which picks he's crediting to coaching influence. (Walker being the most obvious - but also Harrison)
Strange as well. Just in his last interview they asked him how he felt about his picks and he corrected the person asking the questions as said "our" picks. Right after Stange was picked they asked Baalke what he liked so much about Strange and he directed the question to Doug and said I'll let Doug take this one. The Walker pick I'm not sure about but I definitely think they let Mike Caldwell have a lot a say in that pick as well
You think a defensive coach was the one pounding the table for a major project player that could torpedo his chances at moving on to a head coaching role?
(09-03-2023, 11:49 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 08:22 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Strange as well. Just in his last interview they asked him how he felt about his picks and he corrected the person asking the questions as said "our" picks. Right after Stange was picked they asked Baalke what he liked so much about Strange and he directed the question to Doug and said I'll let Doug take this one. The Walker pick I'm not sure about but I definitely think they let Mike Caldwell have a lot a say in that pick as well
You think a defensive coach was the one pounding the table for a major project player that could torpedo his chances at moving on to a head coaching role?
Yes
Caldwell was 100% in on Walker and I'd wager his vote pushed them that way. Caldwell was over the moon about that pick.
Obviously - all of this stuff is speculation - but Baalke's pressers and interviews lay out some tea leaves that are pretty easy to read.
(09-03-2023, 05:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 05:06 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke was the driving force of the Walker pick. He valued “potential” over production (Hutch).
Where are you getting that info? Or is it strictly opinion?
He references coaching input when asked about Walker in two different post draft interviews, and two more since then.
I feel fine taking that for what it is.
Were you on vacation before that draft? There were ample reports that Baalke was high on Walker and that there was a difference of opinion at the top. Below is a sampling. After Walker was picked, they all said the right things about being on the same page.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/draft/rep...von-walker
Also, Tony Pauline, Vic Ketchman’s go-to draft pundit, reported that Khan, Baalke and Pederson had a meeting of the minds before the draft to get on the same page.
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/0...-no-1-pick
(09-03-2023, 05:48 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]What are you guys doing up so early?
LOL
4am hotel pick up for a 6am flight
(09-03-2023, 12:04 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 05:17 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Where are you getting that info? Or is it strictly opinion?
He references coaching input when asked about Walker in two different post draft interviews, and two more since then.
I feel fine taking that for what it is.
Were you on vacation before that draft? There were ample reports that Baalke was high on Walker and that there was a difference of opinion at the top. Below is a sampling. After Walker was picked, they all said the right things about being on the same page.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/draft/rep...von-walker
Also, Tony Pauline, Vic Ketchman’s go-to draft pundit, reported that Khan, Baalke and Pederson had a meeting of the minds before the draft to get on the same page.
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/0...-no-1-pick
None of that tells reveals anything about Baalke's opinion on Walker vs other picks available there.
Baalke's clear deference to the coaching staff when talking about the process of making the Walker pick (post draft) plus Caldwell's blatant giddiness in the post draft interview he gave paint a pretty obvious picture for me.
Baalke didn't want to put his stamp on it and Caldwell couldn't contain himself.
(09-03-2023, 12:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 12:04 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Were you on vacation before that draft? There were ample reports that Baalke was high on Walker and that there was a difference of opinion at the top. Below is a sampling. After Walker was picked, they all said the right things about being on the same page.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/draft/rep...von-walker
Also, Tony Pauline, Vic Ketchman’s go-to draft pundit, reported that Khan, Baalke and Pederson had a meeting of the minds before the draft to get on the same page.
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/0...-no-1-pick
None of that tells reveals anything about Baalke's opinion on Walker vs other picks available there.
Baalke's clear deference to the coaching staff when talking about the process of making the Walker pick (post draft) plus Caldwell's blatant giddiness in the post draft interview he gave paint a pretty obvious picture for me.
Baalke didn't want to put his stamp on it and Caldwell couldn't contain himself.
If I had more time I could dig up several more articles on this topic predraft. Walker and Baalke are joined at the hip, no matter who else was on board.
I already put Caldwell just a notch above Wash/Bradley. Now I might have to reassess, particularly if he keeps playing Walker outside most snaps.
The rumor was Baalke wanted Walker, Khan wanted Hutch, and Doug wanted Ekwonu. I've posted this a few times on this board. It all makes sense. With that said, I believe what they say about a calabrative approach to the draft. If it comes down to Walker and Hutch they would likely take into account on who the guy coaching him wants, Mike Caldwell!
(09-03-2023, 12:35 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 12:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]None of that tells reveals anything about Baalke's opinion on Walker vs other picks available there.
Baalke's clear deference to the coaching staff when talking about the process of making the Walker pick (post draft) plus Caldwell's blatant giddiness in the post draft interview he gave paint a pretty obvious picture for me.
Baalke didn't want to put his stamp on it and Caldwell couldn't contain himself.
If I had more time I could dig up several more articles on this topic predraft. Walker and Baalke are joined at the hip, no matter who else was on board.
I already put Caldwell just a notch above Wash/Bradley. Now I might have to reassess, particularly if he keeps playing Walker outside most snaps.
I do think Walker is who Baake wanted but I think they also took the guy Caldwell wanted. It would go against everything they have said if they went with Walker and Caldwell wanted Hutch. Not to mention the owner wanted Hutch as well. Hopefully Walker has a Pro Bowl type season this year
(09-03-2023, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 11:49 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]You think a defensive coach was the one pounding the table for a major project player that could torpedo his chances at moving on to a head coaching role?
Yes
Caldwell was 100% in on Walker and I'd wager his vote pushed them that way. Caldwell was over the moon about that pick.
Obviously - all of this stuff is speculation - but Baalke's pressers and interviews lay out some tea leaves that are pretty easy to read.
Agreed, I think the guy coaching them was the tie breaker
(09-03-2023, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 11:49 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]You think a defensive coach was the one pounding the table for a major project player that could torpedo his chances at moving on to a head coaching role?
Yes
Caldwell was 100% in on Walker and I'd wager his vote pushed them that way. Caldwell was over the moon about that pick.
Obviously - all of this stuff is speculation - but Baalke's pressers and interviews lay out some tea leaves that are pretty easy to read.
I'll take your word for it. Khan probably should have canned him back in January if he really was all in for a guy with nothing but measurables who didn't have enough good college plays to have a highlight reel.
(09-03-2023, 09:12 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 12:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes
Caldwell was 100% in on Walker and I'd wager his vote pushed them that way. Caldwell was over the moon about that pick.
Obviously - all of this stuff is speculation - but Baalke's pressers and interviews lay out some tea leaves that are pretty easy to read.
I'll take your word for it. Khan probably should have canned him back in January if he really was all in for a guy with nothing but measurables who didn't have enough good college plays to have a highlight reel.
I feel like I may be the only Jags fan on the planet that is still excited to see Travon Walker's development.
I also don't mind an "upside pick" here and there. Taking one at #1 is certainly controversial though. I get that.
Turning to the topic of Caldwell, this season will be very telling for him. Year two in his system with a solid amount of talent to manage. If this defense isn't establishing a bit of an identity beyond last years latter half "scrappiness" then his seat may indeed feel some heat. Maybe not, though. Pederson seems all in on outscoring opponents rather than stifling them.
I think we are going to see a revamped/stepped-up blitz scheme with more involvement from the safeties and ILBs.
It appears to me Caldwell intends his back seven to play a robust amount of zone. Sit back and react quickly seems to be the m.o.
Players he has collected seem to have the traits for that style of play. Now that most of them know the system well, they might have a chance at doing that more effectively. Fingers crossed.
(09-04-2023, 10:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2023, 09:12 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I'll take your word for it. Khan probably should have canned him back in January if he really was all in for a guy with nothing but measurables who didn't have enough good college plays to have a highlight reel.
I feel like I may be the only Jags fan on the planet that is still excited to see Travon Walker's development.
I also don't mind an "upside pick" here and there. Taking one at #1 is certainly controversial though. I get that.
Turning to the topic of Caldwell, this season will be very telling for him. Year two in his system with a solid amount of talent to manage. If this defense isn't establishing a bit of an identity beyond last years latter half "scrappiness" then his seat may indeed feel some heat. Maybe not, though. Pederson seems all in on outscoring opponents rather than stifling them.
I think we are going to see a revamped/stepped-up blitz scheme with more involvement from the safeties and ILBs.
It appears to me Caldwell intends his back seven to play a robust amount of zone. Sit back and react quickly seems to be the m.o.
Players he has collected seem to have the traits for that style of play. Now that most of them know the system well, they might have a chance at doing that more effectively. Fingers crossed.
Naw, I am as well. I was a big fan of Travon coming out and I think he improves a good bit this year. With that said I dont think he will ever be as good as Hutch but hopefully I'm wrong. Even if he doesn't end up being as good as Hutchinson I hope he at least turns into a Pro Bowl type player. As great as an athlete as Walker is Hutchinson was also an upside pick that was already more polished and was very athletic as well. Hutch scored a 9.87 RAS which was 19th all time, that is what was crazy to me. Both are insane athletes. Hopefully the light turns on for Walker this year
I'm just damn happy that clown urban is GONE....and we now have a team to be proud of.
