(01-29-2024, 09:02 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2024, 08:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Prisco is a journalist and any journalist is going to be frustrated when a powerful person stands up there and doesn't give useful answers to questions.
Baalke just said the team needs to be more physical. He didn't accept blame for it, but he also didn't blame Doug. He said nothing, basically, so try to feel nothing about it.
I am just a spectatur in this. I already knew he would be back in 2024. That's Khan's nature. I can't say I blame him. He's never had a team technically have back to back winning seasons.
Ultimately, I think it's a major risk giving him another chance at the wheel getting closer to Lawrence's extension.
However, Prisco is right. If this team falls short again somebody has to go.
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It's going to be terrible if they fail next year. It will be a 2nd place schedule, but their aren't a lot of on the rise teams there, so the schedule shouldn't be as hard. The Jags should make the playoffs and compete for the division. If they don't, what in the world happens?
Doug has Press, and that probably ends up in a failure. Baalke has already planted the seeds for Doug and Press being a failure, if the DC rumor is true and the defense plays better it will further that. I'm sure Baalke will remind Khan that he didn't make the hiring decision last time when Khan made the decisions. Trevor will need a contract, and rumors show he doesn't like Press or Baalke.
I'm sure Khan will look at it and say they all need another year because they need to sign Trevor. He should dump both of them but Khan hasn't cleaned house. I don't see how Doug survives because he won't give up on Press. I don't see how Baalke goes because of his snake ability.
Going to end up with Doug walking away because he won't fire Press, Trevor refusing to sign, crypto spikes, and he refuses to play under tag, Allen leaves after playing on the tag, and Baalke is the last man standing.
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(01-29-2024, 08:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2024, 07:27 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://blackandteal.com/posts/respected...son-future
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Prisco is a journalist and any journalist is going to be frustrated when a powerful person stands up there and doesn't give useful answers to questions.
Baalke just said the team needs to be more physical. He didn't accept blame for it, but he also didn't blame Doug. He said nothing, basically, so try to feel nothing about it.
So Pete throws a hardball question up there, and criticizes Baalke for dodging it? I'm surprised that a veteran reporter like Prisco would be frustrated over not getting direct answers to some very blunt questions. What in the world did he expect Baalke to say? "Doug and I hate each other." Or "I have been thinking about retiring, but decided not to." Seriously? What would Baalke gain by answering such questions?
(01-30-2024, 07:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2024, 08:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Prisco is a journalist and any journalist is going to be frustrated when a powerful person stands up there and doesn't give useful answers to questions.
Baalke just said the team needs to be more physical. He didn't accept blame for it, but he also didn't blame Doug. He said nothing, basically, so try to feel nothing about it.
So Pete throws a hardball question up there, and criticizes Baalke for dodging it? I'm surprised that a veteran reporter like Prisco would be frustrated over not getting direct answers to some very blunt questions. What in the world did he expect Baalke to say? "Doug and I hate each other." Or "I have been thinking about retiring, but decided not to." Seriously? What would Baalke gain by answering such questions?
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(01-30-2024, 07:59 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2024, 07:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So Pete throws a hardball question up there, and criticizes Baalke for dodging it? I'm surprised that a veteran reporter like Prisco would be frustrated over not getting direct answers to some very blunt questions. What in the world did he expect Baalke to say? "Doug and I hate each other." Or "I have been thinking about retiring, but decided not to." Seriously? What would Baalke gain by answering such questions?
It sells. Football fans love it.
I don't know man. Hays is making similar points now on the radio. Baalke coming out 3 weeks after Doug to do a press conference shows a lack of unity to some extent.
He also deflected when it came to accountability questions in general. Essentially saying the coaches have to develop the guys he selected, etc.
There's now growing concerns with Allen's camp, etc. Just seems like this team is not communicating effectively. I think Hays made another good point.
The offense turned the ball over 8 more times in 2023 Vs. 2022 and they were down roughly 2 points ppg on average as an offense.
This is an important off season for all involved. I think we should be looking at it a little more intently.
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(01-30-2024, 11:59 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2024, 07:59 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]It sells. Football fans love it.
I don't know man. Hays is making similar points now on the radio. Baalke coming out 3 weeks after Doug to do a press conference shows a lack of unity to some extent.
He also deflected when it came to accountability questions in general. Essentially saying the coaches have to develop the guys he selected, etc.
There's now growing concerns with Allen's camp, etc. Just seems like this team is not communicating effectively. I think Hays made another good point.
The offense turned the ball over 8 more times in 2023 Vs. 2022 and they were down roughly 2 points ppg on average as an offense.
This is an important off season for all involved. I think we should be looking at it a little more intently.
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What happens if we look at it more intently?
(01-30-2024, 12:17 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2024, 11:59 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know man. Hays is making similar points now on the radio. Baalke coming out 3 weeks after Doug to do a press conference shows a lack of unity to some extent.
He also deflected when it came to accountability questions in general. Essentially saying the coaches have to develop the guys he selected, etc.
There's now growing concerns with Allen's camp, etc. Just seems like this team is not communicating effectively. I think Hays made another good point.
The offense turned the ball over 8 more times in 2023 Vs. 2022 and they were down roughly 2 points ppg on average as an offense.
This is an important off season for all involved. I think we should be looking at it a little more intently.
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What happens if we look at it more intently?
Wouldn't point that out at you directly, however, just think this fanbase (especially the moral victory crowd that was seemingly okay with finishing 9 - 8 after an 8 - 3 start) should exercise more caution and have higher expectations set for 2024 with the 2025 off season being a big reset potentially if expectations are not met.
There's a disconnect somewhere in that building and I believe it's obvious and it's not just "journalists and reporters stirring the pot". It's warranted. Based on Baalke's previous stint in San Francisco and Pederson's previous stint in Philadelphia. It is absolutely warranted.
All of this is emdemic (natural to or characteristic of a specific people or place; native; indigenous) to Khan's.ownership. He fosters this crap in his sports teams.
He is the #becausejaguars owner and reason we aren't moving beyond the Gus Bus, Caldwell, Bortles vs Ramsey mistakes.
I don't know Pederson and Lawrence pairing may overcome but it doesn't look right at the start of this off season.
(01-30-2024, 01:18 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]All of this is emdemic (natural to or characteristic of a specific people or place; native; indigenous) to Khan's.ownership. He fosters this crap in his sports teams.
He is the #becausejaguars owner and reason we aren't moving beyond the Gus Bus, Caldwell, Bortles vs Ramsey mistakes.
I don't know Pederson and Lawrence pairing may overcome but it doesn't look right at the start of this off season.
Agreed. Khan's inability to seemingly initiate a clean break, a full sweep from regime to regime has been odd to me since it started. I don't know if it's entirely uncommon in the NFL though. I admittedly don't dig into every team's front office woes and tendencies.
However, it just feels like we're seeing an owner that's comfortable with keeping people around for the sake of keeping them around. At this point, I hope before it's too late that he gives the EVP of Football Operations another try.
Coughlin's blunder shouldn't deter him from trying this again. It worked to some extent. Right title, right idea just the wrong man for the wrong time is all.
(01-30-2024, 12:17 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2024, 11:59 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know man. Hays is making similar points now on the radio. Baalke coming out 3 weeks after Doug to do a press conference shows a lack of unity to some extent.
He also deflected when it came to accountability questions in general. Essentially saying the coaches have to develop the guys he selected, etc.
There's now growing concerns with Allen's camp, etc. Just seems like this team is not communicating effectively. I think Hays made another good point.
The offense turned the ball over 8 more times in 2023 Vs. 2022 and they were down roughly 2 points ppg on average as an offense.
This is an important off season for all involved. I think we should be looking at it a little more intently.
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What happens if we look at it more intently?
We read everything we want into every minute detail. We give clickthroughs to rumormongers and speculators. We gain little, if any true knowledge.
(01-30-2024, 12:58 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2024, 12:17 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]What happens if we look at it more intently?
Wouldn't point that out at you directly, however, just think this fanbase (especially the moral victory crowd that was seemingly okay with finishing 9 - 8 after an 8 - 3 start) should exercise more caution and have higher expectations set for 2024 with the 2025 off season being a big reset potentially if expectations are not met.
There's a disconnect somewhere in that building and I believe it's obvious and it's not just "journalists and reporters stirring the pot". It's warranted. Based on Baalke's previous stint in San Francisco and Pederson's previous stint in Philadelphia. It is absolutely warranted.
If anyone is OK with the finish to the season, they are pretty complacent.
I'm not OK with it.
I just know very well that it has [BLEEP] all to do with Doug and Trent doing separate pressers just like they
always do post season.
It has [BLEEP] all to do with Prisco and Hays looking for something to whine about out.
(BOTH of those reporters BTW were all in on Luke Fortner progressing in year 2 and IOL being "just fine" when the 2023 season began. I know - because I pressed them both on the topic with tweets or calls and they both responded on air by brushing off the 2022 pressure rate given up by LG and Center - Now they act like Baalke is an absolute demon for not throwing Fortner under the bus in his presser. Laughable drama from these two.)
It has [BLEEP] all to do with Baalke deflecting blame. You know, right after he said point blank to the camera "It starts with me. Look no further than right here." and everyone conveniently ignores that part. Or when he said the team must be managed better.
It has [BLEEP] all to do with twitter-verse or anyone associated with Josh Allen misinterpreting an obvious attempt at humor from Baalke. "We're pretty far apart - because we haven't started yet."
Baalke is shady and all - I get that - but he has given me zero reason to think he won't sort out a deal with Allen in due time.
He just got it done with Engram last year and both parties were happy - plus results were better than expected.
Several other contracts worked by his office have been proper and at times include very team friendly out clauses.
I'm fine with being concerned about fixing the actual problems with our roster and even questioning Baalke's ability to do so. I'm not 100% confident there. And I think him and the HC really need to come to a new strategy for the OL/run scheme.
But I don't understand the Jags fanbase getting so caught up in such meaningless details as points of contention.
Well, I understand, but I'm not going to waste any more of my time explaining why all of that stuff doesn't mean jack [BLEEP].
maybe jags fans in jacksonville should do a clown out at every home game until balke is acctuttly fired ,or retires.
(01-31-2024, 10:14 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]maybe jags fans in jacksonville should do a clown out at every home game until balke is acctuttly fired ,or retires.
What if Baalke acquires 2 good OL players, a quality interior pass rusher, and Jags go 11-6 to take the AFCS next year while fans are coming to games in stupid costumes?
How would that sit with you?
Why does no one consider this a real possibility?
(01-31-2024, 10:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2024, 10:14 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]maybe jags fans in jacksonville should do a clown out at every home game until balke is acctuttly fired ,or retires.
What if Baalke acquires 2 good OL players, a quality interior pass rusher, and Jags go 11-6 to take the AFCS next year while fans are coming to games in stupid costumes?
How would that sit with you?
Why does no one consider this a real possibility?
Mainly because he hasn't shown the ability to do so and that's especially true with regards to the Oline.
Harrison was a great pick. No one can question that. But Fortner, the serious lack of a plan with LG and the botching of multiple draft picks in the 2023 drafts says it will be difficult for him.
If Baalke does do what you say (I have no faith that he will), then I'll gladly admit I was wrong.
Balke has been GM for 3 years now ,and hasn't done anything to build a winning team. we had the fluke year again ,and go right back to major colposeing,and loseing after being 8-3. Mainly cause we have no pass rusher, and no o-line good enough to protect our QB.
(01-31-2024, 10:14 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]maybe jags fans in jacksonville should do a clown out at every home game until balke is acctuttly fired ,or retires.
maybe we should shove our thumbs up our noses until our eyeballs pop out of their sockets
maybe we should invest in Powerball tickets so we can accumulate billions of dollars and buy out Shad Khan
maybe we should just chill out
maybe we should not post every idea that pops in our head
(01-31-2024, 10:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2024, 10:14 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]maybe jags fans in jacksonville should do a clown out at every home game until balke is acctuttly fired ,or retires.
What if Baalke acquires 2 good OL players, a quality interior pass rusher, and Jags go 11-6 to take the AFCS next year while fans are coming to games in stupid costumes?
How would that sit with you?
Why does no one consider this a real possibility?
I mean, if we all start eating undercooked fish, it is certainly bound to happen. But then, doing that and then putting a mask on is going to lead to some awkward spray issues among the ticketholders.
(01-31-2024, 11:18 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]Balke has been GM for 3 years now ,and hasn't done anything to build a winning team. we had the fluke year again ,and go right back to major colposeing,and loseing after being 8-3. Mainly cause we have no pass rusher, and no o-line good enough to protect our QB.
who shot who in the whatnow?
Dude, take a breather. You're trying way too hard and you're missing BADLY.
Go back to 2019 and compare that roster to today's roster. Tell me again we have done nothing. Please.
(01-31-2024, 10:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2024, 10:14 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]maybe jags fans in jacksonville should do a clown out at every home game until balke is acctuttly fired ,or retires.
What if Baalke acquires 2 good OL players, a quality interior pass rusher, and Jags go 11-6 to take the AFCS next year while fans are coming to games in stupid costumes?
How would that sit with you?
Why does no one consider this a real possibility?
Because at no point in his career has he drafted well. He's a crap evaluator of college talent. He only hits on free agents because *gasp* they've proven to be good.
(01-31-2024, 02:10 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2024, 10:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]What if Baalke acquires 2 good OL players, a quality interior pass rusher, and Jags go 11-6 to take the AFCS next year while fans are coming to games in stupid costumes?
How would that sit with you?
Why does no one consider this a real possibility?
Because at no point in his career has he drafted well. He's a crap evaluator of college talent. He only hits on free agents because *gasp* they've proven to be good.
He's had more luck in free agency here at least for sure. I wouldn't say he's a crap evaluator of college talent. I would say he has a decent eye for defensive talent and has a higher probability of success when selecting defensive players. I can give him credit there.
It's his inability to find proper offensive players that has plagued him historically. There's a bit of a balancing act that has to be figured out in the NFL and I don't think he has that quality to him and that's what kills my hope for this franchise with him in charge.
Even if it's a collaboration of sorts, or, a genuine team effort that includes himself, Pederson and his coaching staff making a decision on one player collectively? I just don't think he has it.
I would like to know who had final say in selecting Strange and Bigsby more than anything. Even if Pederson loved those two players. In my opinion, Baalke's job is to provide final say and determine what's best for the football team. I don't know and we don't know if Baalke maybe wanted a LG there in RD2. Maybe he wanted another Center.
We simply don't know. We can only go based upon what they tell the public, which, I highly, highly [BLEEP] doubt it's ever really the truth and you'll never really know until once somebody has been [BLEEP] canned and all their dirty laundry gets aired out to the public.
It's a team failure. Period. I just want to know who had the final say in building the team piece by piece. That's what counts to me.
(01-31-2024, 02:21 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2024, 02:10 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]Because at no point in his career has he drafted well. He's a crap evaluator of college talent. He only hits on free agents because *gasp* they've proven to be good.
He's had more luck in free agency here at least for sure. I wouldn't say he's a crap evaluator of college talent. I would say he has a decent eye for defensive talent and has a higher probability of success when selecting defensive players. I can give him credit there.
It's his inability to find proper offensive players that has plagued him historically. There's a bit of a balancing act that has to be figured out in the NFL and I don't think he has that quality to him and that's what kills my hope for this franchise with him in charge.
Even if it's a collaboration of sorts, or, a genuine team effort that includes himself, Pederson and his coaching staff making a decision on one player collectively? I just don't think he has it.
I would like to know who had final say in selecting Strange and Bigsby more than anything. Even if Pederson loved those two players. In my opinion, Baalke's job is to provide final say and determine what's best for the football team. I don't know and we don't know if Baalke maybe wanted a LG there in RD2. Maybe he wanted another Center.
We simply don't know. We can only go based upon what they tell the public, which, I highly, highly [BLEEP] doubt it's ever really the truth and you'll never really know until once somebody has been [BLEEP] canned and all their dirty laundry gets aired out to the public.
It's a team failure. Period. I just want to know who had the final say in building the team piece by piece. That's what counts to me.
I can almost guarantee you he will pass over JPJ and other prospects for someone like Guyton due to his size. Then JPJ goes on to be an all-pro while Guyton never figures out how to use his hands properly.
