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That's cool.... Doesn't seem like they've talked yet though. Been almost a month since the season was over....

https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/175346...16380?s=20

Baalke botching this entire situation is just another feather in his amazing GM cap.

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(02-02-2024, 01:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 11:42 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]The 49ers of the past have a whole hell of a lot to do with our current situation when the same patterns begin to emerge.  And they are, whether or not you choose to accept it.  We were all pretty surprised when Baalke got a job here given his tenure there, and even more surprised when he was grandfathered the GM job after Caldwell was canned.  

I can't see it through my bias?  My bias is that I want the Jags to be good.  I am tired of being a laughingstock for the last 25ish years.  Everyone pretty much agreed that Baalke needed oversight and yet he managed to wriggle his way out of Khan hiring an EVP.  He drafted like we're a complete team, trading down excessively and then [BLEEP] himself by not being able to trade back up with his 30 sixth rounders.  The only thing worse than how he managed last year's draft is how arrogant and unlikeable he is.

I appreciate that you're trying to take a balanced perspective, but such a perspective requires ignoring the writing on the wall.  We'll see if Baalke manages to maneuver the cap hell he's created for us while fixing the OL and DL issues.  He's not off to a great start so far by pissing off Josh Allen.  But here's hoping.

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You have something that states he has pissed off Josh Allen? 

Share it.

That's another garbage narrative that folks have latched on to. 

Some media guy quoted Baalke out of context and got a tweet in response supposedly from someone connected to Allen who understandably took the out of context tweet out of context. 

The man said 7 times Josh Allen will be a Jaguar and he's raved about his play. That's just ridiculous. 
There's five weeks before the tag deadline and the most likely outcome is a tag and a negotiation of a big contract just like we saw last year with Engram. 

If you think they are "off to a bad start" you are buying into some bull [BLEEP]

And - no - I'm not lumping a completely different situation in SF into my judgment of Baalke since he's been here. 
I have plenty to go on that is actually relevant to what is happening. We don't know the actual dynamics of owner/GM/HC all those years ago in SF. We just have 5 different versions of outsider speculation. And it involved a loose cannon in Harbaugh. 

We have a little bit more info to work with here and I'll run with that.

They were off to a bad start last May when they didn't give him an extension.

Then, to not even have conversations with Allen once the season was over, is another bad look. The optics are very bad.

Baalke is a snake and a liar, nothing new.

(02-02-2024, 02:07 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]That's cool.... Doesn't seem like they've talked yet though. Been almost a month since the season was over....

https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/175346...16380?s=20

Baalke botching this entire situation is just another feather in his amazing GM cap.

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(02-02-2024, 01:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You have something that states he has pissed off Josh Allen? 

Share it.

That's another garbage narrative that folks have latched on to. 

Some media guy quoted Baalke out of context and got a tweet in response supposedly from someone connected to Allen who understandably took the out of context tweet out of context. 

The man said 7 times Josh Allen will be a Jaguar and he's raved about his play. That's just ridiculous. 
There's five weeks before the tag deadline and the most likely outcome is a tag and a negotiation of a big contract just like we saw last year with Engram. 

If you think they are "off to a bad start" you are buying into some bull [BLEEP]

And - no - I'm not lumping a completely different situation in SF into my judgment of Baalke since he's been here. 
I have plenty to go on that is actually relevant to what is happening. We don't know the actual dynamics of owner/GM/HC all those years ago in SF. We just have 5 different versions of outsider speculation. And it involved a loose cannon in Harbaugh. 

We have a little bit more info to work with here and I'll run with that.

They were off to a bad start last May when they didn't give him an extension.

Then, to not even have conversations with Allen once the season was over, is another bad look. The optics are very bad.

Agreed. Baalke hasn't talked to him, otherwise, why the [BLEEP] would Allen clearly just state this in that above interview? Not a glowing endorsement for Baalke, and, once again, he's going to drag it out, tag him, and then reach a deal while simultaneously [BLEEP] ourselves over with the whole Ridley situation. 

Again, I gave credit where credit is due with Baalke. However, big believer and fan of calling a spade a spade when I see one. This is Baalke fumbling the bag during what many have said and considered the biggest off season for this franchise in decades.

This type of [BLEEP] right here is exactly why I question and will continue to question why Khan won't hire somebody to run this football team and hold people accountable. He needs to get off his [BLEEP], get on the phone or get in Baalke's face and [BLEEP] ear here and ask him what the [BLEEP] hold up is. This is ridiculous. No excuses for dragging something out like this with a cornerstone piece to your franchise.

Just dumb. Dumb and bad practice. "All those rumors are just fluff". Yeah, sure.

(02-02-2024, 01:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 11:42 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]The 49ers of the past have a whole hell of a lot to do with our current situation when the same patterns begin to emerge.  And they are, whether or not you choose to accept it.  We were all pretty surprised when Baalke got a job here given his tenure there, and even more surprised when he was grandfathered the GM job after Caldwell was canned.  

I can't see it through my bias?  My bias is that I want the Jags to be good.  I am tired of being a laughingstock for the last 25ish years.  Everyone pretty much agreed that Baalke needed oversight and yet he managed to wriggle his way out of Khan hiring an EVP.  He drafted like we're a complete team, trading down excessively and then [BLEEP] himself by not being able to trade back up with his 30 sixth rounders.  The only thing worse than how he managed last year's draft is how arrogant and unlikeable he is.

I appreciate that you're trying to take a balanced perspective, but such a perspective requires ignoring the writing on the wall.  We'll see if Baalke manages to maneuver the cap hell he's created for us while fixing the OL and DL issues.  He's not off to a great start so far by pissing off Josh Allen.  But here's hoping.

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You have something that states he has pissed off Josh Allen? 

Share it.

That's another garbage narrative that folks have latched on to. 

Some media guy quoted Baalke out of context and got a tweet in response supposedly from someone connected to Allen who understandably took the out of context tweet out of context. 

The man said 7 times Josh Allen will be a Jaguar and he's raved about his play. That's just ridiculous. 
There's five weeks before the tag deadline and the most likely outcome is a tag and a negotiation of a big contract just like we saw last year with Engram. 

If you think they are "off to a bad start" you are buying into some bull [BLEEP]

And - no - I'm not lumping a completely different situation in SF into my judgment of Baalke since he's been here. 
I have plenty to go on that is actually relevant to what is happening. We don't know the actual dynamics of owner/GM/HC all those years ago in SF. We just have 5 different versions of outsider speculation. And it involved a loose cannon in Harbaugh. 

We have a little bit more info to work with here and I'll run with that.

It's not speculation.  He said himself he hasn't even talked to Allen's camp.  How are you going to patently say that Allen will be a Jaguar without even discussing with the man?  It comes across as disrespectful.  

His lack of conversation with Allen will result in us not keeping Ridley.  And then we'll need to spend an early pick on WR instead of OL/DL.  That's the issue.

If you really want to keep denying that it's a problem, that's your prerogative.

Baalke time

(02-02-2024, 02:07 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]That's cool.... Doesn't seem like they've talked yet though. Been almost a month since the season was over....

https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/175346...16380?s=20

Baalke botching this entire situation is just another feather in his amazing GM cap.

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(02-02-2024, 01:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You have something that states he has pissed off Josh Allen? 

Share it.

That's another garbage narrative that folks have latched on to. 

Some media guy quoted Baalke out of context and got a tweet in response supposedly from someone connected to Allen who understandably took the out of context tweet out of context. 

The man said 7 times Josh Allen will be a Jaguar and he's raved about his play. That's just ridiculous. 
There's five weeks before the tag deadline and the most likely outcome is a tag and a negotiation of a big contract just like we saw last year with Engram. 

If you think they are "off to a bad start" you are buying into some bull [BLEEP]

And - no - I'm not lumping a completely different situation in SF into my judgment of Baalke since he's been here. 
I have plenty to go on that is actually relevant to what is happening. We don't know the actual dynamics of owner/GM/HC all those years ago in SF. We just have 5 different versions of outsider speculation. And it involved a loose cannon in Harbaugh. 

We have a little bit more info to work with here and I'll run with that.

They were off to a bad start last May when they didn't give him an extension.

Then, to not even have conversations with Allen once the season was over, is another bad look. The optics are very bad.

Right.

About 30% of the fanbase thought we should have extended him last year.

Most were too busy going on and on saying he sucks or disappears too much and can't produce sacks - which many claimed were all that matters. 

Now many of those same folks are appearing incredulous we didn't sign him precisely when they were busy bad mouthing the guy. 

I'm not sure what that situation has to do with whatever is or isn't going on with the negotiation now  - since it didn't happen. (and most fans did not want it to happen at the time) 
We're here now. 
Y'all can jump to conclusions all you want. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know what has transpired between the Jags FO and the Allen camp and what their individual strategies are. 

We'll know more in 5 weeks or less. I can wait that out before I sling arrows at the wrong targets indiscriminately. 
Maybe Baalke is totally fumbling this situation, but there hasn't been anything making that apparent yet. Just folks jumping to conclusions. 
I'll wait.

(02-02-2024, 03:02 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 01:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You have something that states he has pissed off Josh Allen? 

Share it.

That's another garbage narrative that folks have latched on to. 

Some media guy quoted Baalke out of context and got a tweet in response supposedly from someone connected to Allen who understandably took the out of context tweet out of context. 

The man said 7 times Josh Allen will be a Jaguar and he's raved about his play. That's just ridiculous. 
There's five weeks before the tag deadline and the most likely outcome is a tag and a negotiation of a big contract just like we saw last year with Engram. 

If you think they are "off to a bad start" you are buying into some bull [BLEEP]

And - no - I'm not lumping a completely different situation in SF into my judgment of Baalke since he's been here. 
I have plenty to go on that is actually relevant to what is happening. We don't know the actual dynamics of owner/GM/HC all those years ago in SF. We just have 5 different versions of outsider speculation. And it involved a loose cannon in Harbaugh. 

We have a little bit more info to work with here and I'll run with that.

It's not speculation.  He said himself he hasn't even talked to Allen's camp.  How are you going to patently say that Allen will be a Jaguar without even discussing with the man?  It comes across as disrespectful.  

His lack of conversation with Allen will result in us not keeping Ridley.  And then we'll need to spend an early pick on WR instead of OL/DL.  That's the issue.

If you really want to keep denying that it's a problem, that's your prerogative.

Huh? The presser when he said that was like 3 weeks after our last game? 

Is there some "start negotiations immediately" starting gun that I missed? 

Why are we assuming there is some delayed timeline to any of this? 

The odds of working a deal with Allen before the tag deadline to preserve the tag for Ridley were always low. 
Baalke may have already gleaned enough information from Allen's camp during the season to know they were always going to let the market play out before signing. Rendering the tag useless on any other player. 

Do you have some information proving it is completely out of the ordinary for a team to wait on commencing negotiations with pending free agents until their staff have completed their own roster assessments? 

Baalke also said their 2023 assessments were wrapping up and they needed to sit down with FO and coaching staff and make some tough decisions. Is it not sensible he would begin negotiating a 100 million dollar contract AFTER that happens? 

You know they also were trying to hire the actual damn people who are going to coach Josh Allen next year, right? 

What was the exact accepted timeline for them to do all of their exit interviews, have a staff roster eval, a FO roster eval, and then a joint roster eval, while also doing a coaching search for an entire defensive staff? Was it exactly 18 days?  19 days? 20? 

You're reaching to insist there is fault in the timeline of negotiation because social media has been acting like it is some grave error for the past week. 
I don't know that it is. Just some [BLEEP] for people to get fake mad about.

The threat of the tag is not the same as being on the tag. Of course Allen and his camp want to negotiate now. It's a better position to negotiate from (albeit slightly) and one from which they can paint the FO as the bad guys pretty easily in the media when the inevitable tag comes. We have a fan base willing to lap up negative narratives about the FO with mere insinuation of ineptitude or wrong doing. If I were in Allen's camp, I might consider playing that card if need be especially if I was going to ask for Bosa money or something near there. The more time that goes by between now and the deadline for a long term deal, the better the Jags FO position gets. Both parties know this.

Fans getting emotionally involved about someone else's financial negotiation is funny to me though. The whole point of negotiation is to attempt to find the lowest price someone is willing to accept for a good or service. Except when it comes to athletes apparently. Some fans expect the front office to just pay a guy whatever he wants so he doesn't get mad. I don't fault players for using whatever leverage they have and I don't fault FO's for trying to get the player to sign for as little as they can. Get emotionally involved if Allen sits out games, otherwise let the process play out. You don't have all the information like you think you do. But Baalke bad, so everything must be viewed through a negative lens I guess.

(02-02-2024, 04:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 03:02 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]It's not speculation.  He said himself he hasn't even talked to Allen's camp.  How are you going to patently say that Allen will be a Jaguar without even discussing with the man?  It comes across as disrespectful.  

His lack of conversation with Allen will result in us not keeping Ridley.  And then we'll need to spend an early pick on WR instead of OL/DL.  That's the issue.

If you really want to keep denying that it's a problem, that's your prerogative.

Huh? The presser when he said that was like 3 weeks after our last game? 

Is there some "start negotiations immediately" starting gun that I missed? 

Why are we assuming there is some delayed timeline to any of this? 

The odds of working a deal with Allen before the tag deadline to preserve the tag for Ridley were always low. 
Baalke may have already gleaned enough information from Allen's camp during the season to know they were always going to let the market play out before signing. Rendering the tag useless on any other player. 

Do you have some information proving it is completely out of the ordinary for a team to wait on commencing negotiations with pending free agents until their staff have completed their own roster assessments? 

Baalke also said their 2023 assessments were wrapping up and they needed to sit down with FO and coaching staff and make some tough decisions. Is it not sensible he would begin negotiating a 100 million dollar contract AFTER that happens? 

You know they also were trying to hire the actual damn people who are going to coach Josh Allen next year, right? 

What was the exact accepted timeline for them to do all of their exit interviews, have a staff roster eval, a FO roster eval, and then a joint roster eval, while also doing a coaching search for an entire defensive staff? Was it exactly 18 days?  19 days? 20? 

You're reaching to insist there is fault in the timeline of negotiation because social media has been acting like it is some grave error for the past week. 
I don't know that it is. Just some [BLEEP] for people to get fake mad about.

There is no universe in which Trent Baalke has earned the benefit of the doubt that you are stretching to give him.  None.

Perhaps you're correct.  Perhaps I am.  I have a lot of respect for your takes on this board.  I'll just leave it here.

(02-03-2024, 12:25 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 04:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Huh? The presser when he said that was like 3 weeks after our last game? 

Is there some "start negotiations immediately" starting gun that I missed? 

Why are we assuming there is some delayed timeline to any of this? 

The odds of working a deal with Allen before the tag deadline to preserve the tag for Ridley were always low. 
Baalke may have already gleaned enough information from Allen's camp during the season to know they were always going to let the market play out before signing. Rendering the tag useless on any other player. 

Do you have some information proving it is completely out of the ordinary for a team to wait on commencing negotiations with pending free agents until their staff have completed their own roster assessments? 

Baalke also said their 2023 assessments were wrapping up and they needed to sit down with FO and coaching staff and make some tough decisions. Is it not sensible he would begin negotiating a 100 million dollar contract AFTER that happens? 

You know they also were trying to hire the actual damn people who are going to coach Josh Allen next year, right? 

What was the exact accepted timeline for them to do all of their exit interviews, have a staff roster eval, a FO roster eval, and then a joint roster eval, while also doing a coaching search for an entire defensive staff? Was it exactly 18 days?  19 days? 20? 

You're reaching to insist there is fault in the timeline of negotiation because social media has been acting like it is some grave error for the past week. 
I don't know that it is. Just some [BLEEP] for people to get fake mad about.

There is no universe in which Trent Baalke has earned the benefit of the doubt that you are stretching to give him.  None.

Perhaps you're correct.  Perhaps I am.  I have a lot of respect for your takes on this board.  I'll just leave it here.

Pretty much.

Just ask 49ers fan. Leaks constant with him as GM. He got fired. Leaks stopped.

(02-02-2024, 05:25 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The threat of the tag is not the same as being on the tag.  Of course Allen and his camp want to negotiate now.  It's a better position to negotiate from (albeit slightly) and one from which they can paint the FO as the bad guys pretty easily in the media when the inevitable tag comes.  We have a fan base willing to lap up negative narratives about the FO with mere insinuation of ineptitude or wrong doing.  If I were in Allen's camp, I might consider playing that card if need be especially if I was going to ask for Bosa money or something near there.  The more time that goes by between now and the deadline for a long term deal, the better the Jags FO position gets.  Both parties know this.

Fans getting emotionally involved about someone else's financial negotiation is funny to me though.  The whole point of negotiation is to attempt to find the lowest price someone is willing to accept for a good or service.  Except when it comes to athletes apparently.  Some fans expect the front office to just pay a guy whatever he wants so he doesn't get mad.  I don't fault players for using whatever leverage they have and I don't fault FO's for trying to get the player to sign for as little as they can.  Get emotionally involved if Allen sits out games, otherwise let the process play out.  You don't have all the information like you think you do.  But Baalke bad, so everything must be viewed through a negative lens I guess.

The talking heads are saying the exact opposite of this. 
The word is that Allen's camp could try to push for even more money based on the contracts that occur for Brian Burns and Danielle Hunter. 

I have seen that strategy used in the past. Of course Hunter's camp may be looking for Allen's deal to reset the market, LOL. 

And, as a fanbase, let's not pretend like Baalke doesn't already know this agent and vice versa. They likely both have a pretty clear image of how these talks are going to go down.

(02-03-2024, 12:25 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 04:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Huh? The presser when he said that was like 3 weeks after our last game? 

Is there some "start negotiations immediately" starting gun that I missed? 

Why are we assuming there is some delayed timeline to any of this? 

The odds of working a deal with Allen before the tag deadline to preserve the tag for Ridley were always low. 
Baalke may have already gleaned enough information from Allen's camp during the season to know they were always going to let the market play out before signing. Rendering the tag useless on any other player. 

Do you have some information proving it is completely out of the ordinary for a team to wait on commencing negotiations with pending free agents until their staff have completed their own roster assessments? 

Baalke also said their 2023 assessments were wrapping up and they needed to sit down with FO and coaching staff and make some tough decisions. Is it not sensible he would begin negotiating a 100 million dollar contract AFTER that happens? 

You know they also were trying to hire the actual damn people who are going to coach Josh Allen next year, right? 

What was the exact accepted timeline for them to do all of their exit interviews, have a staff roster eval, a FO roster eval, and then a joint roster eval, while also doing a coaching search for an entire defensive staff? Was it exactly 18 days?  19 days? 20? 

You're reaching to insist there is fault in the timeline of negotiation because social media has been acting like it is some grave error for the past week. 
I don't know that it is. Just some [BLEEP] for people to get fake mad about.

There is no universe in which Trent Baalke has earned the benefit of the doubt that you are stretching to give him.  None.

Perhaps you're correct.  Perhaps I am.  I have a lot of respect for your takes on this board.  I'll just leave it here.

I respect your opinions. You may very well be right in all of your inclinations w/ Baalke. 

Perhaps I'm just overly perturbed by the amount of unwitting fans jumping onto every negative spin job thrown out there on twitter - and there have ben tons of them lately.

You have a distrust of the GM rooted in more than the latest crap-tweet campaign and you are entitled to it - and I'll stop trying to diminish that. 

Beyond that - If Jags fans are going to get riled up - I'd simply prefer they get mad about something legit opposed to some misinterpreted social media post. The mob mentality thing is pretty out of control right now.

This is actually simple. It would be kind of naive if Baalke didn't have an "idea" of where Allen's team wants to begin the talks at. The same goes for Allen's agent as where Baalkie is beginning. I say this because the player's involvement in the meetings can and usually are somewhat limited. Lamar Jackson's involvement was the exception as he did not have an agent. The way I look at it if they tag Allen they can give him the choice of franchise tags, exclusive or non-exclusive. They could let it even be his and his agent's choice.

(02-03-2024, 01:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 05:25 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The threat of the tag is not the same as being on the tag.  Of course Allen and his camp want to negotiate now.  It's a better position to negotiate from (albeit slightly) and one from which they can paint the FO as the bad guys pretty easily in the media when the inevitable tag comes.  We have a fan base willing to lap up negative narratives about the FO with mere insinuation of ineptitude or wrong doing.  If I were in Allen's camp, I might consider playing that card if need be especially if I was going to ask for Bosa money or something near there.  The more time that goes by between now and the deadline for a long term deal, the better the Jags FO position gets.  Both parties know this.

Fans getting emotionally involved about someone else's financial negotiation is funny to me though.  The whole point of negotiation is to attempt to find the lowest price someone is willing to accept for a good or service.  Except when it comes to athletes apparently.  Some fans expect the front office to just pay a guy whatever he wants so he doesn't get mad.  I don't fault players for using whatever leverage they have and I don't fault FO's for trying to get the player to sign for as little as they can.  Get emotionally involved if Allen sits out games, otherwise let the process play out.  You don't have all the information like you think you do.  But Baalke bad, so everything must be viewed through a negative lens I guess.

The talking heads are saying the exact opposite of this. 
The word is that Allen's camp could try to push for even more money based on the contracts that occur for Brian Burns and Danielle Hunter. 

I have seen that strategy used in the past. Of course Hunter's camp may be looking for Allen's deal to reset the market, LOL. 

And, as a fanbase, let's not pretend like Baalke doesn't already know this agent and vice versa. They likely both have a pretty clear image of how these talks are going to go down.

The talking heads can say whatever they want, but the truth of the matter is if Allen plays on the tag, he's shouldering all of the injury risk next season and facing the likelihood of being on the tag again the following season.  Injury is the biggest risk to him never seeing his true payday and if I were him I wouldn't forgo ~$75M guaranteed or whatever it's going to be for $22M this year and all the injury risk is on me.  Neither party should want that.  If things get contentious and he decides to allow himself to be tagged in back to back years rather than sign, he'll finally be free in his age 29 season. Not that he wouldn't get a nice multi-year deal at that point, but I'd view that being much closer to the end of his prime years than the beginning and front offices might as well depending on how successful a season he has in 2025. That's a lot of risk to shoulder on his part when ~$75M or more guaranteed is staring you in the face.

(02-03-2024, 07:20 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2024, 01:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The talking heads are saying the exact opposite of this. 
The word is that Allen's camp could try to push for even more money based on the contracts that occur for Brian Burns and Danielle Hunter. 

I have seen that strategy used in the past. Of course Hunter's camp may be looking for Allen's deal to reset the market, LOL. 

And, as a fanbase, let's not pretend like Baalke doesn't already know this agent and vice versa. They likely both have a pretty clear image of how these talks are going to go down.

The talking heads can say whatever they want, but the truth of the matter is if Allen plays on the tag, he's shouldering all of the injury risk next season and facing the likelihood of being on the tag again the following season.  Injury is the biggest risk to him never seeing his true payday and if I were him I wouldn't forgo ~$75M guaranteed or whatever it's going to be for $22M this year and all the injury risk is on me.  Neither party should want that.  If things get contentious and he decides to allow himself to be tagged in back to back years rather than sign, he'll finally be free in his age 29 season. Not that he wouldn't get a nice multi-year deal at that point, but I'd view that being much closer to the end of his prime years than the beginning and front offices might as well depending on how successful a season he has in 2025. That's a lot of risk to shoulder on his part when ~$75M or more guaranteed is staring you in the face.

I never said anything about playing on the tag. I'm talking about negotiating a deal while tagged in the offseason. 

I'm talking about Allen's agent not signing a deal until the other top free agent edge players sign theirs - to hopefully boost his number. Prior to the 2024 reg season. 

We have seen agents do this in the past when they think another guy is about to get overpaid.

(02-03-2024, 10:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2024, 07:20 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The talking heads can say whatever they want, but the truth of the matter is if Allen plays on the tag, he's shouldering all of the injury risk next season and facing the likelihood of being on the tag again the following season.  Injury is the biggest risk to him never seeing his true payday and if I were him I wouldn't forgo ~$75M guaranteed or whatever it's going to be for $22M this year and all the injury risk is on me.  Neither party should want that.  If things get contentious and he decides to allow himself to be tagged in back to back years rather than sign, he'll finally be free in his age 29 season. Not that he wouldn't get a nice multi-year deal at that point, but I'd view that being much closer to the end of his prime years than the beginning and front offices might as well depending on how successful a season he has in 2025. That's a lot of risk to shoulder on his part when ~$75M or more guaranteed is staring you in the face.

I never said anything about playing on the tag. I'm talking about negotiating a deal while tagged in the offseason. 

I'm talking about Allen's agent not signing a deal until the other top free agent edge players sign theirs - to hopefully boost his number. Prior to the 2024 reg season. 

We have seen agents do this in the past when they think another guy is about to get overpaid.

Agents job is to get the most he can. Drawing out the negotiations is an easy way to show he is doing that. Since a team only has one tag it has gotten to be a kind of badge of the value of the player to the team to use it. Last year we used it on Evan and Taylor signed elsewhere. I expect Allen's contract discussions will proceed along like Evan's did. Now if someone overpays Ridley he will take it just like Taylor did. 

As for the annual Edge who signs first rodeo it will be interesting. No one wants to be first LOL

(02-03-2024, 11:37 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2024, 10:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I never said anything about playing on the tag. I'm talking about negotiating a deal while tagged in the offseason. 

I'm talking about Allen's agent not signing a deal until the other top free agent edge players sign theirs - to hopefully boost his number. Prior to the 2024 reg season. 

We have seen agents do this in the past when they think another guy is about to get overpaid.

Agents job is to get the most he can. Drawing out the negotiations is an easy way to show he is doing that. Since a team only has one tag it has gotten to be a kind of badge of the value of the player to the team to use it. Last year we used it on Evan and Taylor signed elsewhere. I expect Allen's contract discussions will proceed along like Evan's did. Now if someone overpays Ridley he will take it just like Taylor did. 

As for the annual Edge who signs first rodeo it will be interesting. No one wants to be first LOL

Which pass rushers are getting paid this off season? Pretty sure one is Parsons.

(02-03-2024, 10:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2024, 07:20 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The talking heads can say whatever they want, but the truth of the matter is if Allen plays on the tag, he's shouldering all of the injury risk next season and facing the likelihood of being on the tag again the following season.  Injury is the biggest risk to him never seeing his true payday and if I were him I wouldn't forgo ~$75M guaranteed or whatever it's going to be for $22M this year and all the injury risk is on me.  Neither party should want that.  If things get contentious and he decides to allow himself to be tagged in back to back years rather than sign, he'll finally be free in his age 29 season. Not that he wouldn't get a nice multi-year deal at that point, but I'd view that being much closer to the end of his prime years than the beginning and front offices might as well depending on how successful a season he has in 2025. That's a lot of risk to shoulder on his part when ~$75M or more guaranteed is staring you in the face.

I never said anything about playing on the tag. I'm talking about negotiating a deal while tagged in the offseason. 

I'm talking about Allen's agent not signing a deal until the other top free agent edge players sign theirs - to hopefully boost his number. Prior to the 2024 reg season. 

We have seen agents do this in the past when they think another guy is about to get overpaid.

Burns may be facing the tag as well.  Hunter can't be tagged from what I gather.  I'm sure if he has any relationship with Allen or Burns he's probably getting texts from them daily about making sure he hits free agency even if he plans to stay in Minnesota, lol.

https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...YfBhg&s=19

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Here's the link to the actual website as well, incase anybody wants to look at other General Managers success and/or failures. It goes back to the year 2000. Ozzie Newsome, Bill Polian, John Lynch and Bill Belichick are worth looking at.

Keep an eye on the RAS score as well. RAS score seems to be a common trait in General Managers with historical success in finding impact players or Pro-Bowl caliber players.

Also, it's a shame Khan couldn't figure out a way to add Rick Spielman to the front office while he was rumored or at least in the building being entertained at some capacity. He had a really strong showing with the Vikings.

Rick Smith is another notable name.

https://clevanalytics.com/2024-nfl-draftsearch/