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If i were doing this my first priority as a GM is to protect my investment at QB. He completely ignored the weak interior.

Now maybe Doug told him its all good, maybe not.

But you're right it's a collective failure

(01-31-2024, 02:29 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]If i were doing this my first priority as a GM is to protect my investment at QB. He completely ignored the weak interior.

Now maybe Doug told him its all good, maybe not.

But you're right it's a collective failure

Yeah. Baalke pretty much alluded to this. Sure, he took accountability, then proceeded to say the coaches need to develop the guys they have on the roster. It's funny, but, they both seem confident in Fortner. Again, I get it, Fortner's entering year three on his rookie deal and there's no need to publicly shame the kid.

However, they use a [BLEEP] ton of doublespeak at the podium. It's "I really like this guy" but also "We're weak in the middle, need to get stronger". It's "I am confident we have the pieces, it's there" but also, "What are these guys doing with their down time, it can't just be practice and screw off once you're off the clock". 

The truth is always revealed in the personnel department. It's revealed eventually once players are signed, cut, traded or replaced on the depth chart. All this [BLEEP] will be put to bed soon enough. 

If they really do enter free agency and this draft without investing a good chunk of the salary cap in March or a quality draft pick in April though at the Center position and Guard positions there is some serious, serious [BLEEP] concerns that go beyond just the "what if" scenarios behind the scenes we're not privy to.

It really means Baalke and Pederson are collectively overly confident and full of [BLEEP] and don't know how to properly evaluate or build a team at all. That's the scary part.

(01-31-2024, 02:10 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-31-2024, 10:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]What if Baalke acquires 2 good OL players, a quality interior pass rusher, and Jags go 11-6 to take the AFCS next year while fans are coming to games in stupid costumes? 

How would that sit with you? 

Why does no one consider this a real possibility?

Because at no point in his career has he drafted well. He's a crap evaluator of college talent. He only hits on free agents because *gasp* they've proven to be good.

Actually he has shown he can draft talent. He just hasn't done it consistently enough to please the masses.

2021 saw Lawrence, ETN, Campbell, Cisco and Little come aboard. Little has been hot and cold but has also never had a clear role throughout an offseason and has had injuries too often. Damn near everyone thought the pick was a steal - minus a few who were off put by injury concern

2022 saw Walker and Lloyd picked early - a miss on Fortner - and Muma and Brown look to have a future in Jax or elsewhere. Muma played a significant role in our 2022 season not going to total garbage when Lloyd was in and out of the lineup with injury and rookie struggles. Brown showed he is quality depth at DB that we previously lacked. 

2023 is still a total crapshoot but he killed it trading down for an awesome OT, found good depth players and maybe a starting DB in the 5th and 6th rounds. Just gotta find out if the questionable picks in rounds 2-4 pan out or not. Travon Walker is living breathing proof that it can still happen after his second year. So we don't get to judge the value of Strange/Bigsby/Miller even if I personally hate the selections from a value perspective. I din't like the ETN pick either because of positional value, but there is no questioning the pick's current value to the team.

I'd say the biggest issues in his draft have nothing to do at all with evaluation and more to do with positional value and addressing needs efficiently with the capital available.

He just stared into a camera and microphone and repeatedly said we have to get bigger and stronger in the trenches.
He's going to have a chance to bring in a couple of free agents and several draft picks that represent that change we all have clamored for. 

I give him a 65/35 chance of getting it right, Which is what I'd probably give all but the few obviously elite GMs. 
Free agency means overpaying for guys who may or may not show up motivated and the draft is a gamble at damn near every pick, so... he's either gonna fix some obvious problems or give Khan undeniable reasons to move on. 

Pretty simple to me. 
Just let the guy fix the lines or hang himself. 
Saying he's incapable is disingenuous given his recent history IMO. 
He helped pull this team out of the absolute gutter and into the playoffs.

I don't think it is impossible for the Jags to go into September with upgrades at 2 interior OL positions, someone who gets better push on the IDL, and a depth edge player. Wouldn't shock me at all if Baalke pulled that off. How well he pulls it off remains to be seen. And if he fails to address those issues - we'll know he's setting himself up for - sorry Trekkies - the Wrath of Khan. 

If two of the guys he picked in rounds 2-4 last year turn out to be good, he's essentially added four starters or meaningful role players in each draft. I'm sorry, but that is a far [BLEEP] cry from "crap evaluator."

(01-31-2024, 03:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-31-2024, 02:10 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]Because at no point in his career has he drafted well. He's a crap evaluator of college talent. He only hits on free agents because *gasp* they've proven to be good.

Actually he has shown he can draft talent. He just hasn't done it consistently enough to please the masses.

2021 saw Lawrence, ETN, Campbell, Cisco and Little come aboard. Little has been hot and cold but has also never had a clear role throughout an offseason and has had injuries too often. Damn near everyone thought the pick was a steal - minus a few who were off put by injury concern

2022 saw Walker and Lloyd picked early - a miss on Fortner - and Muma and Brown look to have a future in Jax or elsewhere. Muma played a significant role in our 2022 season not going to total garbage when Lloyd was in and out of the lineup with injury and rookie struggles. Brown showed he is quality depth at DB that we previously lacked. 

2023 is still a total crapshoot but he killed it trading down for an awesome OT, found good depth players and maybe a starting DB in the 5th and 6th rounds. Just gotta find out if the questionable picks in rounds 2-4 pan out or not. Travon Walker is living breathing proof that it can still happen after his second year. So we don't get to judge the value of Strange/Bigsby/Miller even if I personally hate the selections from a value perspective. I din't like the ETN pick either because of positional value, but there is no questioning the pick's current value to the team.

I'd say the biggest issues in his draft have nothing to do at all with evaluation and more to do with positional value and addressing needs efficiently with the capital available.

He just stared into a camera and microphone and repeatedly said we have to get bigger and stronger in the trenches.
He's going to have a chance to bring in a couple of free agents and several draft picks that represent that change we all have clamored for. 

I give him a 65/35 chance of getting it right, Which is what I'd probably give all but the few obviously elite GMs. 
Free agency means overpaying for guys who may or may not show up motivated and the draft is a gamble at damn near every pick, so... he's either gonna fix some obvious problems or give Khan undeniable reasons to move on. 

Pretty simple to me. 
Just let the guy fix the lines or hang himself. 
Saying he's incapable is disingenuous given his recent history IMO. 
He helped pull this team out of the absolute gutter and into the playoffs.

I don't think it is impossible for the Jags to go into September with upgrades at 2 interior OL positions, someone who gets better push not he IDL, and a depth edge player. Wouldn't shock me at all if Baalke pulled that off. How well he pulls it off remains to be seen. And if he fails to address those issues - we'll know he's setting himself up for - sorry Trekkies - the Wrath of Khan. 

If two of the guys he picked in rounds 2-4 last year turn out to be good, he's essentially added four starters or meaningful role players in each draft. I'm sorry, but that is a far [BLEEP] cry from "crap evaluator."

wasted keystrokes.

The whole "Baalke can't draft" or "Torn ACL, that'll be our first rounder" derpitude is just the new tarp joke. Tired, uninformed, and absolutely not going to change their mind.

https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1...SF_1Q&s=19

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Sounds like another Baalke RB, probably as a bit of a reach lol.

(02-01-2024, 11:19 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like another Baalke RB, probably as a bit of a reach lol.

Wouldn't surprise me. LOL.

Guess this means Bigsby is a bust already and destined for the practice squad soon.

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(02-01-2024, 08:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-31-2024, 03:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Actually he has shown he can draft talent. He just hasn't done it consistently enough to please the masses.

2021 saw Lawrence, ETN, Campbell, Cisco and Little come aboard. Little has been hot and cold but has also never had a clear role throughout an offseason and has had injuries too often. Damn near everyone thought the pick was a steal - minus a few who were off put by injury concern

2022 saw Walker and Lloyd picked early - a miss on Fortner - and Muma and Brown look to have a future in Jax or elsewhere. Muma played a significant role in our 2022 season not going to total garbage when Lloyd was in and out of the lineup with injury and rookie struggles. Brown showed he is quality depth at DB that we previously lacked. 

2023 is still a total crapshoot but he killed it trading down for an awesome OT, found good depth players and maybe a starting DB in the 5th and 6th rounds. Just gotta find out if the questionable picks in rounds 2-4 pan out or not. Travon Walker is living breathing proof that it can still happen after his second year. So we don't get to judge the value of Strange/Bigsby/Miller even if I personally hate the selections from a value perspective. I din't like the ETN pick either because of positional value, but there is no questioning the pick's current value to the team.

I'd say the biggest issues in his draft have nothing to do at all with evaluation and more to do with positional value and addressing needs efficiently with the capital available.

He just stared into a camera and microphone and repeatedly said we have to get bigger and stronger in the trenches.
He's going to have a chance to bring in a couple of free agents and several draft picks that represent that change we all have clamored for. 

I give him a 65/35 chance of getting it right, Which is what I'd probably give all but the few obviously elite GMs. 
Free agency means overpaying for guys who may or may not show up motivated and the draft is a gamble at damn near every pick, so... he's either gonna fix some obvious problems or give Khan undeniable reasons to move on. 

Pretty simple to me. 
Just let the guy fix the lines or hang himself. 
Saying he's incapable is disingenuous given his recent history IMO. 
He helped pull this team out of the absolute gutter and into the playoffs.

I don't think it is impossible for the Jags to go into September with upgrades at 2 interior OL positions, someone who gets better push not he IDL, and a depth edge player. Wouldn't shock me at all if Baalke pulled that off. How well he pulls it off remains to be seen. And if he fails to address those issues - we'll know he's setting himself up for - sorry Trekkies - the Wrath of Khan. 

If two of the guys he picked in rounds 2-4 last year turn out to be good, he's essentially added four starters or meaningful role players in each draft. I'm sorry, but that is a far [BLEEP] cry from "crap evaluator."

wasted keystrokes.

The whole "Baalke can't draft" or "Torn ACL, that'll be our first rounder" derpitude is just the new tarp joke. Tired, uninformed, and absolutely not going to change their mind.

I see we're in the "circle the wagons and defend our awful personnel" coping stage of the offseason.  Fun.

(02-02-2024, 09:46 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2024, 08:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]wasted keystrokes.

The whole "Baalke can't draft" or "Torn ACL, that'll be our first rounder" derpitude is just the new tarp joke. Tired, uninformed, and absolutely not going to change their mind.

I see we're in the "circle the wagons and defend our awful personnel" coping stage of the offseason.  Fun.

And you are in the "don't bother to read and absorb context - just hyperbolize some bull [BLEEP]" stage apparently.

(02-02-2024, 10:02 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 09:46 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]I see we're in the "circle the wagons and defend our awful personnel" coping stage of the offseason.  Fun.

And you are in the "don't bother to read and absorb context - just hyperbolize some bull [BLEEP]" stage apparently.

How is it hyperbole to suggest that Baalke was a failure with the 49ers?  Is it hyperbole to point out that he was directly responsible for the discord and collapse of the Harbaugh era there?

Is it hyperbole to say that this season was the result of his inability to properly evaluate the roster and fill the (very obvious) needs along the OL that we all saw?  How about that he was content to sit on his laurels with 9-8 both in the offseason and at the trade deadline?

Is it hyperbole to point out that many of the same reports about discord in the FO mirror his time in SF?  How hard would it be to believe that he's doing the exact same things he's done before?

This board has a very discernible cycle that happens where we're doom and gloom, followed by optimism, every season.  I'm usually guilty of it too.  This last offseason was the last one where we had justifiable hope, and that's virtually gone now.

Baalke is a millstone around this franchise's neck.  He has been since he was hired.  Not a single other team wants this guy.  This will be his last GM job in the NFL.  I'm not saying he hasn't drafted a few good players--he has, and specifically I think Travon Walker was the right pick in particular.  But I remain unconvinced that he will do the right things to get us anywhere as we squander Trevor's first five years.

If you want to try to put lipstick on the pig, more power to you.  Not like any of our thoughts or feelings will change anything anyway.

(02-02-2024, 10:20 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 10:02 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]And you are in the "don't bother to read and absorb context - just hyperbolize some bull [BLEEP]" stage apparently.

How is it hyperbole to suggest that Baalke was a failure with the 49ers?  Is it hyperbole to point out that he was directly responsible for the discord and collapse of the Harbaugh era there?

Is it hyperbole to say that this season was the result of his inability to properly evaluate the roster and fill the (very obvious) needs along the OL that we all saw?  How about that he was content to sit on his laurels with 9-8 both in the offseason and at the trade deadline?

Is it hyperbole to point out that many of the same reports about discord in the FO mirror his time in SF?  How hard would it be to believe that he's doing the exact same things he's done before?

This board has a very discernible cycle that happens where we're doom and gloom, followed by optimism, every season.  I'm usually guilty of it too.  This last offseason was the last one where we had justifiable hope, and that's virtually gone now.

Baalke is a millstone around this franchise's neck.  He has been since he was hired.  Not a single other team wants this guy.  This will be his last GM job in the NFL.  I'm not saying he hasn't drafted a few good players--he has, and specifically I think Travon Walker was the right pick in particular.  But I remain unconvinced that he will do the right things to get us anywhere as we squander Trevor's first five years.

If you want to try to put lipstick on the pig, more power to you.  Not like any of our thoughts or feelings will change anything anyway.

These are all very fair and valid points. 

Jaguars fanbase in a nutshell:

Conan the Barbarian - Wheel of pain (with alternative music) (youtube.com)

Wait there are actually Pro-Baalke ppl on the mb?

Come on y’all, dude says Fortner is fine and blames our failures on a passive aggressive “systematic” statement.

Dude got an ego the size of Thanos. Nobody should be falling on their laurels saying “9-8 is fine and y’all need to chill”

(02-01-2024, 11:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1...SF_1Q&s=19

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Thurlowly unimpressed.

(02-02-2024, 10:44 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2024, 11:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1...SF_1Q&s=19

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Thurlowly unimpressed.

When Baalke finally lands his day 3 RB that has a 10,000+ yard career:

Vince McMahon Crying Meme Template (youtube.com)

(02-02-2024, 10:20 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 10:02 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]And you are in the "don't bother to read and absorb context - just hyperbolize some bull [BLEEP]" stage apparently.

How is it hyperbole to suggest that Baalke was a failure with the 49ers?  Is it hyperbole to point out that he was directly responsible for the discord and collapse of the Harbaugh era there?

Is it hyperbole to say that this season was the result of his inability to properly evaluate the roster and fill the (very obvious) needs along the OL that we all saw?  How about that he was content to sit on his laurels with 9-8 both in the offseason and at the trade deadline?

Is it hyperbole to point out that many of the same reports about discord in the FO mirror his time in SF?  How hard would it be to believe that he's doing the exact same things he's done before?

This board has a very discernible cycle that happens where we're doom and gloom, followed by optimism, every season.  I'm usually guilty of it too.  This last offseason was the last one where we had justifiable hope, and that's virtually gone now.

Baalke is a millstone around this franchise's neck.  He has been since he was hired.  Not a single other team wants this guy.  This will be his last GM job in the NFL.  I'm not saying he hasn't drafted a few good players--he has, and specifically I think Travon Walker was the right pick in particular.  But I remain unconvinced that he will do the right things to get us anywhere as we squander Trevor's first five years.

If you want to try to put lipstick on the pig, more power to you.  Not like any of our thoughts or feelings will change anything anyway.

The NINERS???

What the [BLEEP] do the niners have to do with our situation??? Seriously! 

Harbaugh??? 

Are we comparing Pederson to Harbaugh???? Really?? 

I'm just giving honest perspective here and it doesn't suit your bias.
 We have zero evidence that there is anything going on between Khan/Baalke/Pederson that in any way resembles the popular interpretations of what happened in SF many years ago. 

Since Baalke arrived in Jax - he has made good moves, and he has made bad moves. 
The results have been much more positive than negative in the W/L column despite the doom and gloom you are stuck in. 
That is a factual statement. 

Baalke is on par with a dozen other middling managers around the league IMO, I don't really care if you all run him out of town. I just prefer to have a clear head about it instead of jumping on the tar and feather bandwagon due to bad information.

(02-02-2024, 10:41 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Wait there are actually Pro-Baalke ppl on the mb?

Come on y’all, dude says Fortner is fine and blames our failures on a passive aggressive “systematic” statement.

Dude got an ego the size of Thanos. Nobody should be falling on their laurels saying “9-8 is fine and y’all need to chill”

I haven't seen one single pro Baalke post around here. 

All I'm doing is trying to criticize his actual failures in Jax and recognize the stuff he got right without just parroting a bunch of slander on the guy that makes no sense. 

His biggest failure is not protecting a young QB after 3 drafts and offseasons.
He has acquired several linemen. 
But he got mostly the wrong guys. 

Probably a third of the league owners would have sent him packing this offseason based on that - and I'd be fine if our owner did too. 

I've been screaming for line help for 2 straight years now to the point I'm mocked for it around here. It pisses me off that he hasn't attained a functional line for this team yet. 

I also think he doubled down on some middling fixes to the IDL rather than striving for a real difference maker there. 

Lastly - I despise the positional value of his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round selections last draft when considering our needs. 

Unfortunately - we don't know yet if any of those players may turn out good enough to make that grievance forgivable. (like the ETN pick) 

All the blather about SF is inconsequential to our situation and largely unverified speculation and hearsay anyway. 
I've got enough good and bad to judge the guy on without all that. 

The Fortner talk means nothing. I'll bet $500 Fortner has competition in camp that is 99% certain to take the start. 
And our o-line did in fact systematically fail.

(02-02-2024, 09:46 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2024, 08:45 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]wasted keystrokes.

The whole "Baalke can't draft" or "Torn ACL, that'll be our first rounder" derpitude is just the new tarp joke. Tired, uninformed, and absolutely not going to change their mind.

I see we're in the "circle the wagons and defend our awful personnel" coping stage of the offseason.  Fun.

No, but I'm also not relying on 2015 data to shape my expectation of 2024.

(02-02-2024, 10:46 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 10:20 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]How is it hyperbole to suggest that Baalke was a failure with the 49ers?  Is it hyperbole to point out that he was directly responsible for the discord and collapse of the Harbaugh era there?

Is it hyperbole to say that this season was the result of his inability to properly evaluate the roster and fill the (very obvious) needs along the OL that we all saw?  How about that he was content to sit on his laurels with 9-8 both in the offseason and at the trade deadline?

Is it hyperbole to point out that many of the same reports about discord in the FO mirror his time in SF?  How hard would it be to believe that he's doing the exact same things he's done before?

This board has a very discernible cycle that happens where we're doom and gloom, followed by optimism, every season.  I'm usually guilty of it too.  This last offseason was the last one where we had justifiable hope, and that's virtually gone now.

Baalke is a millstone around this franchise's neck.  He has been since he was hired.  Not a single other team wants this guy.  This will be his last GM job in the NFL.  I'm not saying he hasn't drafted a few good players--he has, and specifically I think Travon Walker was the right pick in particular.  But I remain unconvinced that he will do the right things to get us anywhere as we squander Trevor's first five years.

If you want to try to put lipstick on the pig, more power to you.  Not like any of our thoughts or feelings will change anything anyway.

The NINERS???

What the [BLEEP] do the niners have to do with our situation??? Seriously! 

Harbaugh??? 

Are we comparing Pederson to Harbaugh???? Really?? 

I'm just giving honest perspective here and it doesn't suit your bias.
 We have zero evidence that there is anything going on between Khan/Baalke/Pederson that in any way resembles the popular interpretations of what happened in SF many years ago. 

Since Baalke arrived in Jax - he has made good moves, and he has made bad moves. 
The results have been much more positive than negative in the W/L column despite the doom and gloom you are stuck in. 
That is a factual statement. 

Baalke is on par with a dozen other middling managers around the league IMO, I don't really care if you all run him out of town. I just prefer to have a clear head about it instead of jumping on the tar and feather bandwagon due to bad information.

The 49ers of the past have a whole hell of a lot to do with our current situation when the same patterns begin to emerge.  And they are, whether or not you choose to accept it.  We were all pretty surprised when Baalke got a job here given his tenure there, and even more surprised when he was grandfathered the GM job after Caldwell was canned.  

I can't see it through my bias?  My bias is that I want the Jags to be good.  I am tired of being a laughingstock for the last 25ish years.  Everyone pretty much agreed that Baalke needed oversight and yet he managed to wriggle his way out of Khan hiring an EVP.  He drafted like we're a complete team, trading down excessively and then [BLEEP] himself by not being able to trade back up with his 30 sixth rounders.  The only thing worse than how he managed last year's draft is how arrogant and unlikeable he is.

I appreciate that you're trying to take a balanced perspective, but such a perspective requires ignoring the writing on the wall.  We'll see if Baalke manages to maneuver the cap hell he's created for us while fixing the OL and DL issues.  He's not off to a great start so far by pissing off Josh Allen.  But here's hoping.

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(02-02-2024, 11:04 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 10:41 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Wait there are actually Pro-Baalke ppl on the mb?

Come on y’all, dude says Fortner is fine and blames our failures on a passive aggressive “systematic” statement.

Dude got an ego the size of Thanos. Nobody should be falling on their laurels saying “9-8 is fine and y’all need to chill”

I haven't seen one single pro Baalke post around here. 

All I'm doing is trying to criticize his actual failures in Jax and recognize the stuff he got right without just parroting a bunch of slander on the guy that makes no sense. 

His biggest failure is not protecting a young QB after 3 drafts and offseasons.
He has acquired several linemen. 
But he got mostly the wrong guys. 

Probably a third of the league owners would have sent him packing this offseason based on that - and I'd be fine if our owner did too. 

I've been screaming for line help for 2 straight years now to the point I'm mocked for it around here. It pisses me off that he hasn't attained a functional line for this team yet. 

I also think he doubled down on some middling fixes to the IDL rather than striving for a real difference maker there. 

Lastly - I despise the positional value of his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round selections last draft when considering our needs. 

Unfortunately - we don't know yet if any of those players may turn out good enough to make that grievance forgivable. (like the ETN pick) 

All the blather about SF is inconsequential to our situation and largely unverified speculation and hearsay anyway. 
I've got enough good and bad to judge the guy on without all that. 

The Fortner talk means nothing. I'll bet $500 Fortner has competition in camp that is 99% certain to take the start. 
And our o-line did in fact systematically fail.

I agree with all your points here.  Hopefully it works out.

(02-02-2024, 11:04 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 10:41 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Wait there are actually Pro-Baalke ppl on the mb?

Come on y’all, dude says Fortner is fine and blames our failures on a passive aggressive “systematic” statement.

Dude got an ego the size of Thanos. Nobody should be falling on their laurels saying “9-8 is fine and y’all need to chill”

I haven't seen one single pro Baalke post around here. 

All I'm doing is trying to criticize his actual failures in Jax and recognize the stuff he got right without just parroting a bunch of slander on the guy that makes no sense. 

His biggest failure is not protecting a young QB after 3 drafts and offseasons.
He has acquired several linemen. 
But he got mostly the wrong guys. 

Probably a third of the league owners would have sent him packing this offseason based on that - and I'd be fine if our owner did too. 

I've been screaming for line help for 2 straight years now to the point I'm mocked for it around here. It pisses me off that he hasn't attained a functional line for this team yet. 

I also think he doubled down on some middling fixes to the IDL rather than striving for a real difference maker there. 

Lastly - I despise the positional value of his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round selections last draft when considering our needs. 

Unfortunately - we don't know yet if any of those players may turn out good enough to make that grievance forgivable. (like the ETN pick) 

All the blather about SF is inconsequential to our situation and largely unverified speculation and hearsay anyway. 
I've got enough good and bad to judge the guy on without all that. 

The Fortner talk means nothing. I'll bet $500 Fortner has competition in camp that is 99% certain to take the start. 
And our o-line did in fact systematically fail.

I have given Baalke some fair credit where credit is due around here:

1. He's a better evaluator on defense and has had a historically decent to good track record of drafting players in that regard. Whether here or during his tenure with the 49ers.

2. He's had a decent amount of success in addressing areas of need during free agency. 

3. He's had a fair amount of good looking contracts on paper and his trade abilities are not that bad. Can't fault him for the Ridley trade and the Cleveland trade. He tried.

He just falls short in evaluating the offensive line and finding decent players via the draft offensively when it comes to RB's in particular and he has a bad habit of double dipping or doubling down at positions that are head scratchers on a yearly basis. 

These are areas he can improve, for sure, however, those are some of my positives with him. Matter of fact, I think, what would better serve this franchise, is, an introduction of another EVP of Football Operations. Khan has to get somebody in there that can handle it. He's not a football guy. He's a good owner. He tries. He has vision. He has commitment to this city and I love him for that.

However, he needs a legitimate football guy in his organization that can hold everybody accountable. A tie breaker, a tone setter, a mediator, his eyes and ears to what's really going on in there. Somebody that can get a pulse and keep the blood flowing in the right directions so the body doesn't go limp and the brain doesn't go dead. 

I know I have thrown random names out there. Such as Ozzie Newsome, which, would probably be hard to pry him from Baltimore to begin with. I know he's had Spielman in here before and nothing ultimately came out of that. Hell, here's a name, and maybe he would be willing to do it for a year or two. Bill Belichick. [BLEEP] it, why not? He's not coaching this year. 

Maybe see if he wants to pop on down to Florida for a year or two and be a type of consultant or just fill in at an executive level to provide his wealth of knowledge to Khan and let him know what he sees and thinks. I really think it could do this franchise some good.

(02-02-2024, 11:42 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-02-2024, 10:46 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The NINERS???

What the [BLEEP] do the niners have to do with our situation??? Seriously! 

Harbaugh??? 

Are we comparing Pederson to Harbaugh???? Really?? 

I'm just giving honest perspective here and it doesn't suit your bias.
 We have zero evidence that there is anything going on between Khan/Baalke/Pederson that in any way resembles the popular interpretations of what happened in SF many years ago. 

Since Baalke arrived in Jax - he has made good moves, and he has made bad moves. 
The results have been much more positive than negative in the W/L column despite the doom and gloom you are stuck in. 
That is a factual statement. 

Baalke is on par with a dozen other middling managers around the league IMO, I don't really care if you all run him out of town. I just prefer to have a clear head about it instead of jumping on the tar and feather bandwagon due to bad information.

The 49ers of the past have a whole hell of a lot to do with our current situation when the same patterns begin to emerge.  And they are, whether or not you choose to accept it.  We were all pretty surprised when Baalke got a job here given his tenure there, and even more surprised when he was grandfathered the GM job after Caldwell was canned.  

I can't see it through my bias?  My bias is that I want the Jags to be good.  I am tired of being a laughingstock for the last 25ish years.  Everyone pretty much agreed that Baalke needed oversight and yet he managed to wriggle his way out of Khan hiring an EVP.  He drafted like we're a complete team, trading down excessively and then [BLEEP] himself by not being able to trade back up with his 30 sixth rounders.  The only thing worse than how he managed last year's draft is how arrogant and unlikeable he is.

I appreciate that you're trying to take a balanced perspective, but such a perspective requires ignoring the writing on the wall.  We'll see if Baalke manages to maneuver the cap hell he's created for us while fixing the OL and DL issues.  He's not off to a great start so far by pissing off Josh Allen.  But here's hoping.

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You have something that states he has pissed off Josh Allen? 

Share it.

That's another garbage narrative that folks have latched on to. 

Some media guy quoted Baalke out of context and got a tweet in response supposedly from someone connected to Allen who understandably took the out of context tweet out of context. 

The man said 7 times Josh Allen will be a Jaguar and he's raved about his play. That's just ridiculous. 
There's five weeks before the tag deadline and the most likely outcome is a tag and a negotiation of a big contract just like we saw last year with Engram. 

If you think they are "off to a bad start" you are buying into some bull [BLEEP]

And - no - I'm not lumping a completely different situation in SF into my judgment of Baalke since he's been here. 
I have plenty to go on that is actually relevant to what is happening. We don't know the actual dynamics of owner/GM/HC all those years ago in SF. We just have 5 different versions of outsider speculation. And it involved a loose cannon in Harbaugh. 

We have a little bit more info to work with here and I'll run with that.