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(02-29-2024, 06:05 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I got faith in Tugboat

That's fine, but why?

What reason do we have to believe he can be a starting guard in the NFL?

This draft is very deep at CB, IOL, DL and WR. All 4 of those positions are positions of need for the Jags.

If Baalke ends up going with anything other than those 4 positions, I’ll be incredibly disappointed. It’s just adding up too perfectly.

(02-29-2024, 07:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]This draft is very deep at CB, IOL, DL and WR. All 4 of those positions are positions of need for the Jags.

If Baalke ends up going with anything other than those 4 positions, I’ll be incredibly disappointed. It’s just adding up too perfectly.

Agreed

Looking at Baalke's 2021-2023 drafts and analyzing the top 5 picks he made from each...

Of the 15 -  Six of them were head-scratchers on some level when analyzing need and/or positional value. 

Hard to imagine we don't see at least one head scratcher in this batch as well.

(02-29-2024, 07:40 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-29-2024, 06:05 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I got faith in Tugboat

That's fine, but why?

What reason do we have to believe he can be a starting guard in the NFL?

cool nickname. It worked for pot roast.

Not so much for He hate me

(03-01-2024, 08:49 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-29-2024, 07:40 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That's fine, but why?

What reason do we have to believe he can be a starting guard in the NFL?

cool nickname. It worked for pot roast.

Not so much for He hate me

That's very Smart of you. Almost a Rod of Smart you might say.

(02-29-2024, 07:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-29-2024, 07:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]This draft is very deep at CB, IOL, DL and WR. All 4 of those positions are positions of need for the Jags.

If Baalke ends up going with anything other than those 4 positions, I’ll be incredibly disappointed. It’s just adding up too perfectly.

Agreed

Looking at Baalke's 2021-2023 drafts and analyzing the top 5 picks he made from each...

Of the 15 -  Six of them were head-scratchers on some level when analyzing need and/or positional value. 

Hard to imagine we don't see at least one head scratcher in this batch as well.

I swear to god he’s going to draft an undersized LB in the first 4 rounds 

I hope one day an owner does something crazy and asks the fans to do a 7 round draft for him. They make this job harder than it needs to be. It’s a damn crapshoot

Jags interested in trading for Reddick rumor

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/sour...reddit.com

(03-01-2024, 06:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Jags interested in trading for Reddick rumor

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/sour...reddit.com

Wouldn't hate it. Just depends on the asking price. If it's a pair of 3rd day picks? Pull the trigger. Would fork a 4th and 6th over without blinking.

It's funny this is circulating because when they drafted Abdullah last year that was my comp. Undersized pass rusher that would take some time to develop more than likely at the next level.

(03-01-2024, 06:58 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-01-2024, 06:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Jags interested in trading for Reddick rumor

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/sour...reddit.com

Wouldn't hate it. Just depends on the asking price. If it's a pair of 3rd day picks? Pull the trigger. Would fork a 4th and 6th over without blinking.

It's funny this is circulating because when they drafted Abdullah last year that was my comp. Undersized pass rusher that would take some time to develop more than likely at the next level.

Sounds to me like the Eagles are advertising. Reddick would be a one year rental since he is on his last contract year.  The Eagles would save 16 million if traded post June 1. Yea a good edge guy 237lbs, 30 years old. Appears they are just trolling to see what they can get for him. Maybe a 6th since it is a one year rental. 

Since we need big bodies on both lines and he isn't one would appear to be a luxury we may not afford.

(03-07-2024, 01:14 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/HashTaguars/status/1...1842252883

Yep... but I am supposed to trust the process for the third or fourth year in a row. It's funny because in the Josh Allen thread, probably ChrisJagBoy trolling, but, he was saying our drafted WR's need to step up. 

We've drafted four receivers since 2020. Three of them are gone between Colin Johnson, Leviska Shenault and Jalen Camp. We just took another one in RD6 last year in Parker Washington. 

We're now entering 2024 with Zay Jones coming back from various injuries and missing half a season.
Christian Kirk missing the final five games of last season.
Jamaal Agnew coming back from IR again.

We don't have anybody really that officially jumps off the paper at you and scares you. Especially with Ridley having the ability to test the market. Because Baalke didn't get something done sooner with Allen. Because he lacks the foresight and abilities to get it done. 

Said it in another thread. Don't hold your breath and don't get your hopes up with Baalke having yet another off season to [BLEEP] this team up some more. Because it's inevitable. It's year four of Lawrence's rookie deal and we're stalling out. 

Wholesale changes are on the horizon if they get stuck at 9 - 8 and miss the play-off's for the second straight year in a row. It's bothered me that Khan has done nothing to improve the backend and front office for this franchise. If Coughlin's little stint and PR nightmare has made him gun shy from hiring a proper VP of Football Operations?

We're doomed. I feel like that's officially the missing piece to the puzzle now. A competent mediator and overseer that knows football, that knows personnel, that knows roster building, that knows coaching and knows cap management sitting at the top of the food chain to keep the personnel department and coaching staff in check. To have final say in concering issues.

(03-07-2024, 09:21 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-07-2024, 01:14 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/HashTaguars/status/1...1842252883

Yep... but I am supposed to trust the process for the third or fourth year in a row. It's funny because in the Josh Allen thread, probably ChrisJagBoy trolling, but, he was saying our drafted WR's need to step up. 

We've drafted four receivers since 2020. Three of them are gone between Colin Johnson, Leviska Shenault and Jalen Camp. We just took another one in RD6 last year in Parker Washington. 

We're now entering 2024 with Zay Jones coming back from various injuries and missing half a season.
Christian Kirk missing the final five games of last season.
Jamaal Agnew coming back from IR again.

We don't have anybody really that officially jumps off the paper at you and scares you. Especially with Ridley having the ability to test the market. Because Baalke didn't get something done sooner with Allen. Because he lacks the foresight and abilities to get it done. 

Said it in another thread. Don't hold your breath and don't get your hopes up with Baalke having yet another off season to [BLEEP] this team up some more. Because it's inevitable. It's year four of Lawrence's rookie deal and we're stalling out. 

Wholesale changes are on the horizon if they get stuck at 9 - 8 and miss the play-off's for the second straight year in a row. It's bothered me that Khan has done nothing to improve the backend and front office for this franchise. If Coughlin's little stint and PR nightmare has made him gun shy from hiring a proper VP of Football Operations?

We're doomed. I feel like that's officially the missing piece to the puzzle now. A competent mediator and overseer that knows football, that knows personnel, that knows roster building, that knows coaching and knows cap management sitting at the top of the food chain to keep the personnel department and coaching staff in check. To have final say in concering issues.

Not really sure how that's trolling.

I'm simply saying we need drafted players (wr) to start becoming useful.. I wasn't just referring to the players currently on the roster. We seem to go to FA for WR quite a bit and it's expensive. The same statement can be applied to every position group really. Settle down.

Lots of cap space in 2025. Maybe this is a year to reset a bit and build from the inside first. Improve the defense and develop some offensive draft picks. Next offseason get trevor signed. I don't think many people believe we have a series of moves we can make this year that let us compete for the Superbowl. If that's the case it's probably not a good idea to play patchwork again to maybe make the playoffs.

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status...915L-t18Xg

Gotta make sure you draft linebackers and running backs with those top 100 picks.

What a stupid tweet. A list of 1-2 picks at any position. You couldn't post a more meaningless tweet.

(03-27-2024, 08:47 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]What a stupid tweet.  A list of 1-2 picks at any position.  You couldn't post a more meaningless tweet.

Baalke?!

We can argue the merits of the picks, but that chart is dumb. It tells you nearly nothing.

(03-27-2024, 10:47 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]We can argue the merits of the picks, but that chart is dumb.  It tells you nearly nothing.

What do you mean it tells you nothing? It clearly states the percentages and how it's based. From 2011 - 2023, any selections considered premium, in this case, any selections made within the top 100, indicate a philosophy and strategy. 

It's obvious in Baalke's case. A good portion of his decision making favors the LB and RB positions early, with T mixed in there. While other positions such as WR (0.0%) and DT (0.0%) are considered an afterthought. This is a good base to gauge which way Baalke will more than likely lean in the draft next month.

So, when he does something like, pass up on a WR at 17 or a DT at 17 in favor of an OT, EDGE or CB it shouldn't surprise anybody. Or, when he waits until day 3 to select a WR, it shouldn't surprise anybody. It especially shouldn't surprise anybody if he selects another RB in RD3. 

It clearly tells you that...

No it doesn't. It's only during his time with the Jaguars. It leads you to believe that, but it's looking at 12 total picks. It makes you believe he favors any position which he drafted two in the top 100 picks than 1 or 0.

If he had been tenured here for 15 years. Or if it looks all picks of his tenure as a GM maybe it tells something. Or maybe even if it took all picks since Khan took over, but it doesn't it covers 12 picks with 1 or 2 at any position which is hardly any sort of trend.

The fact that he hasn't picked one position more than twice during that run may be the only thing you learn from that.

(03-28-2024, 08:26 AM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]No it doesn't.  It's only during his time with the Jaguars.  It leads you to believe that, but it's looking at 12 total picks.  It makes you believe he favors any position which he drafted two in the top 100 picks than 1 or 0. 

If he had been tenured here for 15 years.  Or if it looks all picks of his tenure as a GM maybe it tells something.  Or maybe even if it took all picks since Khan took over, but it doesn't it covers 12 picks with 1 or 2 at any position which is hardly any sort of trend.

The fact that he hasn't picked one position more than twice during that run may be the only thing you learn from that.

You're right. That is misleading. Someone should call him out on that.

(03-28-2024, 07:45 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2024, 10:47 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]We can argue the merits of the picks, but that chart is dumb.  It tells you nearly nothing.

What do you mean it tells you nothing? It clearly states the percentages and how it's based. From 2011 - 2023, any selections considered premium, in this case, any selections made within the top 100, indicate a philosophy and strategy. 

It's obvious in Baalke's case. A good portion of his decision making favors the LB and RB positions early, with T mixed in there. While other positions such as WR (0.0%) and DT (0.0%) are considered an afterthought. This is a good base to gauge which way Baalke will more than likely lean in the draft next month.

So, when he does something like, pass up on a WR at 17 or a DT at 17 in favor of an OT, EDGE or CB it shouldn't surprise anybody. Or, when he waits until day 3 to select a WR, it shouldn't surprise anybody. It especially shouldn't surprise anybody if he selects another RB in RD3. 

It clearly tells you that...

(03-28-2024, 08:28 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2024, 08:26 AM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]No it doesn't.  It's only during his time with the Jaguars.  It leads you to believe that, but it's looking at 12 total picks.  It makes you believe he favors any position which he drafted two in the top 100 picks than 1 or 0. 

If he had been tenured here for 15 years.  Or if it looks all picks of his tenure as a GM maybe it tells something.  Or maybe even if it took all picks since Khan took over, but it doesn't it covers 12 picks with 1 or 2 at any position which is hardly any sort of trend.

The fact that he hasn't picked one position more than twice during that run may be the only thing you learn from that.

You're right. That is misleading. Someone should call him out on that.

Agreed, the data on the top teams where their gms made 35+ picks probably gives some merit.  Especially if there is a definitive outlier like the Rams and WRs.