(01-28-2024, 09:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]And this is exactly why this team will continue to flirt with being basement dwellers.
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Because we won't make Josh Allen the highest paid defensive player in NFL history? Lol. Us drafting like we have in the past is what will make us bottom dwellers. It doesn't matter if we keep Allen or not if we continue to draft like we have in the past
No, it will be if our front office acts like the portion of our fanbase that doesn't understand how NFL contracts and talent management work. I get it, you've never really had talent to manage so this is new to you, but trust me, keeping the players you draft high and who play like superstars is one of the key components of a successful franchise over the long term.
Then you'll say "Lol, Josh Allen isn't a superstar!"
And that's where the conversation will end, because I can't fix that problem.
(01-28-2024, 08:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 06:33 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree, i dont think thats where his team is going , hes not going to get that. If so it would be a hard pass for me. I wouldn't make Allen the highest paid defensive player ever, he hasn't been consistent enough. We can tag him 2 straight years if he's asking for that or see how he does on the tag and negotiate next year. After 2 years Walker will be up for an extension all while Trevor has the huge contract.
Yeah, you can do that if you want to keep your rep as a franchise that no one wants to deal with. Or you can pay the guy you drafted who's earned it.
If you don't make him the highest pa8d player in NFL history this team will lose its rep? Lololol. What rep? Lol. He hast earned to set the market and be the highest paid player in history yet, sorry. If he thinks that I'd tag him and see if he can have another year like he did this year if he won't take top 5 edge money and we can talk next year.
(01-28-2024, 09:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 08:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, you can do that if you want to keep your rep as a franchise that no one wants to deal with. Or you can pay the guy you drafted who's earned it.
If you don't make him the highest pa8d player in NFL history this team will lose its rep? Lololol. What rep? Lol. He hast earned to set the market and be the highest paid player in history yet, sorry. If he thinks that I'd tag him and see if he can have another year like he did this year if he won't take top 5 edge money and we can talk next year.
Exactly, you don't understand talent management. It's cool, neither goes Baalke so you're loving the right team.
(01-28-2024, 09:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Because we won't make Josh Allen the highest paid defensive player in NFL history? Lol. Us drafting like we have in the past is what will make us bottom dwellers. It doesn't matter if we keep Allen or not if we continue to draft like we have in the past
No, it will be if our front office acts like the portion of our fanbase that doesn't understand how NFL contracts and talent management work. I get it, you've never really had talent to manage so this is new to you, but trust me, keeping the players you draft high and who play like superstars is one of the key components of a successful franchise over the long term.
Then you'll say "Lol, Josh Allen isn't a superstar!"
And that's where the conversation will end, because I can't fix that problem.
Hahaha, ok arm chair GM lol. Talking out your [BLEEP] again per usual. Josh Allen is a star but he hasn't been consistent enough to make him the highest paid player in NFL history, sorry. This is one of the reasons the tag is an option. Tag him and see if he can have another season like this year and then talk next year if he wants that.
(01-28-2024, 09:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If you don't make him the highest pa8d player in NFL history this team will lose its rep? Lololol. What rep? Lol. He hast earned to set the market and be the highest paid player in history yet, sorry. If he thinks that I'd tag him and see if he can have another year like he did this year if he won't take top 5 edge money and we can talk next year.
Exactly, you don't understand talent management. It's cool, neither goes Baalke so you're loving the right team.
You are one of the idiots that wanted to give Yawn a blank check lol. With that said Allen is way better than Yawn ever was
(01-28-2024, 09:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 06:33 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree, i dont think thats where his team is going , hes not going to get that. If so it would be a hard pass for me. I wouldn't make Allen the highest paid defensive player ever, he hasn't been consistent enough. We can tag him 2 straight years if he's asking for that or see how he does on the tag and negotiate next year. After 2 years Walker will be up for an extension all while Trevor has the huge contract.
And this is exactly why this team will continue to flirt with being basement dwellers.
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Wasn't you saying 20-25 mil a couple weeks ago?
Hmmm...not consistent. I would say a good rookie season with Calais and Ngakoue on the field with him. Another great season with Walker coming on. In between he was really the only threat. Still even then he matches up with Bosa's number over that same time. Well I guess Bosa wasn't really that good? They both came out in 2019. He will get real good money from someone if not us. Maybe the Titans or Texans? Yes, they will begin wanting Bosa money, why not? Where they end up is only a guess.
Totals for 5 years
Tackles Bosa 209, Allen 259
Solo tackles Bosa 150, Allen 162
Assists Bosa 59, Allen 89
Sacks Bosa 53.5, Allen 45
I expect playing with an developing Walker will continue to let Josh eat.
(01-28-2024, 09:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No, it will be if our front office acts like the portion of our fanbase that doesn't understand how NFL contracts and talent management work. I get it, you've never really had talent to manage so this is new to you, but trust me, keeping the players you draft high and who play like superstars is one of the key components of a successful franchise over the long term.
Then you'll say "Lol, Josh Allen isn't a superstar!"
And that's where the conversation will end, because I can't fix that problem.
Hahaha, ok arm chair GM lol. Talking out your [BLEEP] again per usual. Josh Allen is a star but he hasn't been consistent enough to make him the highest paid player in NFL history, sorry. This is one of the reasons the tag is an option. Tag him and see if he can have another season like this year and then talk next year if he wants that.
(01-28-2024, 09:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly, you don't understand talent management. It's cool, neither goes Baalke so you're loving the right team.
You are one of the idiots that wanted to give Yawn a blank check lol. With that said Allen is way better than Yawn ever was
(01-28-2024, 09:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]And this is exactly why this team will continue to flirt with being basement dwellers.
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Wasn't you saying 20-25 mil a couple weeks ago?
Why are you saying "lol ok arm chair gm" when you're literally trying to act like an arm chair gm... "I'm just tagging him if he wants xxx. I'm not paying xxx amount. blah blah blah". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black dude.
(01-28-2024, 09:44 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm...not consistent. I would say a good rookie season with Calais and Ngakoue on the field with him. Another great season with Walker coming on. In between he was really the only threat. Still even then he matches up with Bosa's number over that same time. Well I guess Bosa wasn't really that good? They both came out in 2019. He will get real good money from someone if not us. Maybe the Titans or Texans? Yes, they will begin wanting Bosa money, why not? Where they end up is only a guess.
Totals for 5 years
Tackles Bosa 209, Allen 259
Solo tackles Bosa 150, Allen 162
Assists Bosa 59, Allen 89
Sacks Bosa 53.5, Allen 45
I expect playing with an developing Walker will continue to let Josh eat.
Lol, you are using tackles as a stat. Allen has been a OLB the last 3 seasons while Bosa is a DE. They play 2 different positions. Allen will get really good money but he won't be the highest paid player in NFL history. Bosa is aso a former NFL defensive player of the year as well. He's had 44.5 sacks the last 3 seasons. Allen had a great year but I'm not putting him up there with Bosa, Watt, Parsons, and Garrett yet.
(01-28-2024, 09:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Hahaha, ok arm chair GM lol. Talking out your [BLEEP] again per usual. Josh Allen is a star but he hasn't been consistent enough to make him the highest paid player in NFL history, sorry. This is one of the reasons the tag is an option. Tag him and see if he can have another season like this year and then talk next year if he wants that.
You are one of the idiots that wanted to give Yawn a blank check lol. With that said Allen is way better than Yawn ever was
Wasn't you saying 20-25 mil a couple weeks ago?
Why are you saying "lol ok arm chair gm" when you're literally trying to act like an arm chair gm... "I'm just tagging him if he wants xxx. I'm not paying xxx amount. blah blah blah". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black dude.
"You've never really had talent to manage" lol. I already know you want to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history. You would of done it last year. You are one of the few that wanted to give give Yawn a blank check as well lol.
(01-28-2024, 09:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:44 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm...not consistent. I would say a good rookie season with Calais and Ngakoue on the field with him. Another great season with Walker coming on. In between he was really the only threat. Still even then he matches up with Bosa's number over that same time. Well I guess Bosa wasn't really that good? They both came out in 2019. He will get real good money from someone if not us. Maybe the Titans or Texans? Yes, they will begin wanting Bosa money, why not? Where they end up is only a guess.
Totals for 5 years
Tackles Bosa 209, Allen 259
Solo tackles Bosa 150, Allen 162
Assists Bosa 59, Allen 89
Sacks Bosa 53.5, Allen 45
I expect playing with an developing Walker will continue to let Josh eat.
Lol, you are using tackles as a stat. Allen has been a OLB the last 3 seasons while Bosa is a DE. They play 2 different positions. Allen will get really good money but he won't be the highest paid player in NFL history. Bosa is aso a former NFL defensive player of the year as well. He's had 44.5 sacks the last 3 seasons. Allen had a great year but I'm not putting him up there with Bosa, Watt, Parsons, and Garrett yet.
Allen has less true pass rush snaps due to him dropping in coverage at times, Bosa and the others you mentioned don't.
(01-28-2024, 09:56 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, you are using tackles as a stat. Allen has been a OLB the last 3 seasons while Bosa is a DE. They play 2 different positions. Allen will get really good money but he won't be the highest paid player in NFL history. Bosa is aso a former NFL defensive player of the year as well. He's had 44.5 sacks the last 3 seasons. Allen had a great year but I'm not putting him up there with Bosa, Watt, Parsons, and Garrett yet.
Allen has less true pass rush snaps due to him dropping in coverage at times, Bosa and the others you mentioned don't.
What? You obviously don't watch the others play. Watt does at times and Parsons does as well
(01-28-2024, 09:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No, it will be if our front office acts like the portion of our fanbase that doesn't understand how NFL contracts and talent management work. I get it, you've never really had talent to manage so this is new to you, but trust me, keeping the players you draft high and who play like superstars is one of the key components of a successful franchise over the long term.
Then you'll say "Lol, Josh Allen isn't a superstar!"
And that's where the conversation will end, because I can't fix that problem.
Hahaha, ok arm chair GM lol. Talking out your [BLEEP] again per usual. Josh Allen is a star but he hasn't been consistent enough to make him the highest paid player in NFL history, sorry. This is one of the reasons the tag is an option. Tag him and see if he can have another season like this year and then talk next year if he wants that.
(01-28-2024, 09:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly, you don't understand talent management. It's cool, neither goes Baalke so you're loving the right team.
You are one of the idiots that wanted to give Yawn a blank check lol. With that said Allen is way better than Yawn ever was
(01-28-2024, 09:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]And this is exactly why this team will continue to flirt with being basement dwellers.
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Wasn't you saying 20-25 mil a couple weeks ago?
Damn you remember so much that isn't so. I know I constantly have to help you understand the world around you, but if you can't remember day to day what was said how in the hell can you think you remember posts from years ago? You just attribute the wrong position to whoever you happen to be talking to at the moment. It helps you with that cognitive dissonance you have from always trying to reconcile your bad takes to actual reality.
P.S. someone else already disproved your "consistency" take a few pages back, so you can drop that one. Josh Allen is a star and he'll be paid like one. Make him play on the tag and all you do is push his cost down the road. They should've signed him last year, but TB likes your management style and does everything as offensively and expensively as possible, so here we are.
(01-28-2024, 10:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Hahaha, ok arm chair GM lol. Talking out your [BLEEP] again per usual. Josh Allen is a star but he hasn't been consistent enough to make him the highest paid player in NFL history, sorry. This is one of the reasons the tag is an option. Tag him and see if he can have another season like this year and then talk next year if he wants that.
You are one of the idiots that wanted to give Yawn a blank check lol. With that said Allen is way better than Yawn ever was
Wasn't you saying 20-25 mil a couple weeks ago?
Damn you remember so much that isn't so. I know I constantly have to help you understand the world around you, but if you can't remember day to day what was said how in the hell can you think you remember posts from years ago? You just attribute the wrong position to whoever you happen to be talking to at the moment. It helps you with that cognitive dissonance you have from always trying to reconcile your bad takes to actual reality.
P.S. someone else already disproved your "consistency" take a few pages back, so you can drop that one. Josh Allen is a star and he'll be paid like one. Make him play on the tag and all you do is push his cost down the road. They should've signed him last year, but TB likes your management style and does everything as offensively and expensively as possible, so here we are.
You are arguing with yourself dummy. I've already said he will get paid but he won't be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. What's your limit 40 mil per? Or would you give him a blank check
(01-28-2024, 09:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-28-2024, 09:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Why are you saying "lol ok arm chair gm" when you're literally trying to act like an arm chair gm... "I'm just tagging him if he wants xxx. I'm not paying xxx amount. blah blah blah". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black dude.
"You've never really had talent to manage" lol. I already know you want to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history. You would of done it last year. You are one of the few that wanted to give give Yawn a blank check as well lol.
Talk about talking out of your [BLEEP] jesus christ.
I wanted to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history this past off season? Really? You're completely full of [BLEEP], but we already knew that. But you are correct that I was one of the few smart ones who was pounding the table to extend him last year so we didn't have to worry about the situation we're in now.
You're also one of the buffoons that wanted to trade him before the trade deadline last year ("because he isn't any good") and just draft his replacement.
And nobody wanted to give Yan a blank check, but yes I wanted to keep him because he's one of the best pass rushers this franchise has ever had. And what do you know, this pass rush has missed him ever since.
(01-28-2024, 10:06 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 10:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Damn you remember so much that isn't so. I know I constantly have to help you understand the world around you, but if you can't remember day to day what was said how in the hell can you think you remember posts from years ago? You just attribute the wrong position to whoever you happen to be talking to at the moment. It helps you with that cognitive dissonance you have from always trying to reconcile your bad takes to actual reality.
P.S. someone else already disproved your "consistency" take a few pages back, so you can drop that one. Josh Allen is a star and he'll be paid like one. Make him play on the tag and all you do is push his cost down the road. They should've signed him last year, but TB likes your management style and does everything as offensively and expensively as possible, so here we are.
You are arguing with yourself dummy. I've already said he will get paid but he won't be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. What's your limit 40 mil per? Or would you give him a blank check
I'm not arguing with myself, I'm explaining to a neophyte why his hardline on a superstar is stupid. Considering his inability to absorb and understand new information though? Probably just talking to the wall.
(01-28-2024, 09:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:44 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm...not consistent. I would say a good rookie season with Calais and Ngakoue on the field with him. Another great season with Walker coming on. In between he was really the only threat. Still even then he matches up with Bosa's number over that same time. Well I guess Bosa wasn't really that good? They both came out in 2019. He will get real good money from someone if not us. Maybe the Titans or Texans? Yes, they will begin wanting Bosa money, why not? Where they end up is only a guess.
Totals for 5 years
Tackles Bosa 209, Allen 259
Solo tackles Bosa 150, Allen 162
Assists Bosa 59, Allen 89
Sacks Bosa 53.5, Allen 45
I expect playing with an developing Walker will continue to let Josh eat.
Lol, you are using tackles as a stat. Allen has been a OLB the last 3 seasons while Bosa is a DE. They play 2 different positions. Allen will get really good money but he won't be the highest paid player in NFL history. Bosa is aso a former NFL defensive player of the year as well. He's had 44.5 sacks the last 3 seasons. Allen had a great year but I'm not putting him up there with Bosa, Watt, Parsons, and Garrett yet.
This year Josh had 18.5sacks and Bosa only 10. so what?
I looked at all the stats I could find as many here seem to be devaluing the guy more than is realistic. Seven sack difference over 5 years is not very much considering the middle 3 years of him being the only threat he had to endure. Also as a LB (very good point) he dropped into coverage a lot more giving Bosa more opportunities at sacks. We should somehow factor that in too, but it would only move the sack totals closer. (I do wish I had pressures to add) Just trying fairly evaluate his defensive contributions in total. While I am not a proponent of making him the highest anything I believe the guys saying 24-25 a year are going to be very disappointed as he most likely would just say no and go to another team when he can. Who knows he may get a chance for a Super Bowl ring like Taylor has this year...(Bartch too depending on this game) LOL
(01-28-2024, 10:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
"You've never really had talent to manage" lol. I already know you want to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history. You would of done it last year. You are one of the few that wanted to give give Yawn a blank check as well lol.
Talk about talking out of your [BLEEP] jesus christ.
I wanted to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history this past off season? Really? You're completely full of [BLEEP], but we already knew that. But you are correct that I was one of the few smart ones who was pounding the table to extend him last year so we didn't have to worry about the situation we're in now.
You're also one of the buffoons that wanted to trade him before the trade deadline last year ("because he isn't any good") and just draft his replacement.
And nobody wanted to give Yan a blank check, but yes I wanted to keep him because he's one of the best pass rushers this franchise has ever had. And what do you know, this pass rush has missed him ever since.
As a reminder, that contract that Bosa signed that he's so adamant about not paying has yearly cap hits the first 3 years of:
$11 million
$14 million
$ 20 million
It's almost like he doesn't understand anything about what he arguin.
Well, not almost.
I have been passively reading this thread and one thing continues to frustrate me about Balke/Pederson. The relationship of the GM/coach and the player is for the GM/coach to find a better player than the one they currently have while the player’s job is make sure they cannot. This past draft not a single position was challenged, not one. Yes a starting right tackle was drafted but only because they didn’t have one. If you want to add depth, make your current starter a backup.
(01-28-2024, 10:15 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 10:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Talk about talking out of your [BLEEP] jesus christ.
I wanted to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history this past off season? Really? You're completely full of [BLEEP], but we already knew that. But you are correct that I was one of the few smart ones who was pounding the table to extend him last year so we didn't have to worry about the situation we're in now.
You're also one of the buffoons that wanted to trade him before the trade deadline last year ("because he isn't any good") and just draft his replacement.
And nobody wanted to give Yan a blank check, but yes I wanted to keep him because he's one of the best pass rushers this franchise has ever had. And what do you know, this pass rush has missed him ever since.
As a reminder, that contract that Bosa signed that he's so adamant about not paying has yearly cap hits the first 3 years of:
$11 million
$14 million
$ 20 million
It's almost like he doesn't understand anything about what he arguin.
Well, not almost.
Yup, then they can either extend him again to push around money, or cut him after year 4 with only a $16m dead cap hit.
(01-28-2024, 09:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]And this is exactly why this team will continue to flirt with being basement dwellers.
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Because we won't make Josh Allen the highest paid defensive player in NFL history? Lol. Us drafting like we have in the past is what will make us bottom dwellers. It doesn't matter if we keep Allen or not if we continue to draft like we have in the past
That's exactly why you DO pay him. Because of their failures in these drafts.
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(01-28-2024, 10:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 09:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
"You've never really had talent to manage" lol. I already know you want to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history. You would of done it last year. You are one of the few that wanted to give give Yawn a blank check as well lol.
Talk about talking out of your [BLEEP] jesus christ.
I wanted to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history this past off season? Really? You're completely full of [BLEEP], but we already knew that. But you are correct that I was one of the few smart ones who was pounding to table to extend him last year so we didn't have to worry about the situation we're in now.
You're also one of the buffoons that wanted to trade him before the trade deadline last year ("because he isn't any good") and just draft his replacement.
And nobody wanted to give Yan a blank check, but yes I wanted to keep him because he's one of the best pass rushers this franchise has ever had. And what do you know, this pass rush has missed him ever since.
Read it it again, i didnt say you wanted to, i said you would have. I was one of the ones that wanted to extend Allen last year as well but there is always a limit on any player. So you wouldnt make Allen the highest paid defensive player in NFL history?
There were absolutely a few people that wanted to give Yawn more than what he was offered and he was already offered much more than he was worth, they were saying give him whatever he wants. I wanted to resign Yawn as well until I seen the contract he turned down yet you were one of the ones that still wanted to give him 20+ and whatever he wanted. Allen has always been better than Yawn though even before this year, I don't care about the sack numbers
100% pay Josh, show we'll take care of our guys. We can do it and still sign Trevor to big money.