Quote:Odd that the writer is so focused on tackle and not guard in round two. I know that a couple of those tackles could play guard, but I like some of the guard prospects better in the second round over Moton or Garcia.
Most people see pick 35 falling into the sizeable gap between Lamp/Feeney who will be gone and Dawkins who is probably OG3. I actually happen to agree with them too. I like him in the 3rd but there's just no way on pure talent he will be in the top ~10 or so guys on the board at 35 for me.
Howard at 4, Rivers or Watt at 35, and then Dawkins or Siragusa at 68 is the dream assuming Thomas is off the board.
Quote:i completely agree man. this is the most excited ive been for the draft in years.
Like last year, I think we'll get a good player no matter what.
However, I like trading down and getting more picks about as much this year as any I can remember. Should be a good draft class (with the exception of QB.)
Quote:Most people see pick 35 falling into the sizeable gap between Lamp/Feeney who will be gone and Dawkins who is probably OG3. I actually happen to agree with them too. I like him in the 3rd but there's just no way on pure talent he will be in the top ~10 or so guys on the board at 35 for me.
Howard at 4, Rivers or Watt at 35, and then Dawkins or Siragusa at 68 is the dream assuming Thomas is off the board.
Feeney at 35 would be like the Myles Jack situation all over again. He even has some medical question marks that could influence a team to pass.
But it
could happen.
I seriously doubt Dawkins is still on the board at 68. They'd most likely have to grab him at 35 if they want him.
Quote:Feeney at 35 would be like the Myles Jack situation all over again. He even has some medical question marks that could influence a team to pass.
But it could happen.
I seriously doubt Dawkins is still on the board at 68. They'd most likely have to grab him at 35 if they want him.
There's a slim chance for Feeney yes. If he's there obviously he's my guy but I think it's so slim I'm not going to put it in any scenarios.
Dawkins very well could go before 68. 50-60 is probably the right range. If he goes that's fine he's not super special and he's a guard. Rivers and Watt could be special. Siragusa or Johnson or Pocic or Elfein or Asiata later on, I'm fine with any of em.
Quote:There's a slim chance for Feeney yes. If he's there obviously he's my guy but I think it's so slim I'm not going to put it in any scenarios.
Dawkins very well could go before 68. 50-60 is probably the right range. If he goes that's fine he's not super special and he's a guard. Rivers and Watt could be special. Siragusa or Johnson or Pocic or Elfein or Asiata later on, I'm fine with any of em.
Yeah - I was thinking 40-50 on Dawkins, but we're not that far off really. Asiata is interesting value in the 3rd. Wouldn't hate it.
Quote:The gap as I see it is between Lamp who will be gone by #29 at the latest, and Dawkins/Feeney who are early-to-mid 2nd round projections.
To me it's Lamp and Feeney darn close in the late teens/early 20s talent range, and then a big gap to around 60 for all of the rest. I don't see the gap between Dawkins and the aforementioned Siragusa/Pocic/Elfein/Johnson/Asiata tier.
One important aspect of Howard that nobody has mentioned yet...........durability. I don't believe the guy has had any injuries in college while spending most of his time successfully blocking edge rushers including the likes of Myles Garrett. Durability with the potential of Gronk. The guy is just flat out a huge mismatch nightmare for most teams. I don't see how he is a reach at 4. If we trade back, he'll be gone IMHO.
Quote:I'll bet anything you want, that we don't draft a TE at 4.
Interesting.....who would you bet on?
Quote:To me it's Lamp and Feeney darn close in the late teens/early 20s talent range, and then a big gap to around 60 for all of the rest. I don't see the gap between Dawkins and the aforementioned Siragusa/Pocic/Elfein/Johnson/Asiata tier.
The problem with Dawkins is that we haven't seen him at OG other than the Senior Bowl, where he did stand out. Other than that, he played his entire college career at OT, yet he is too undersized for OT in the NFL, after checking in at under 6'4". Maybe he makes a smooth transition inside, maybe he doesn't. Lamp played some OG early in his college career before being moved to LT and Feeney spent almost his entire career at OG, so I'm a lot more confident in them. I definitely see a ton of potential in Dawkins as an OG, but I would've liked to see a little bit more of a resume there before he's thrown into a position change. That's why I'm just not sure about him, but he is still the #3 OG prospect on my board, before a big dropoff to the #4 guy.
Quote:One important aspect of Howard that nobody has mentioned yet...........durability. I don't believe the guy has had any injuries in college while spending most of his time successfully blocking edge rushers including the likes of Myles Garrett. Durability with the potential of Gronk. The guy is just flat out a huge mismatch nightmare for most teams. I don't see how he is a reach at 4. If we trade back, he'll be gone IMHO.
That's a good point too. I don't think he's a reach either.
Honestly seems like the only ding on this guy is people supposedly question if he loves football. It's a big thing so I guess we will see
Quote:You don't see the gap? Dawkins is a natural LT who can play the spot in a clinch, but it's thought he's just not quite agile enough to start there in the NFL. He's still a find pass blocker though... plenty good enough to play G.. .but he's known for being a beast against the run. He's really the total package. I don't see how these other names are quite stacking up to who he is, and in particular what he can do for our run game. I even like him over Feeney because Feeney is more of an athletic zone blocker as a G where Dawkins is going to straight up bring the power.
Nope I don't think he's even close to Feeney. Feeney has been my boy since like 2015 and he's shown no reason to change that now, other than slight concussion concerns.
Also, saying Dawkins is in the ~60 range to me isn't a slight. Third round is about the range where the not super elite guards usually go. Look at the 2014 draft. Gabe Jackson, Trai Turner, and Brandon Linder all went picks 81 to 93. Then 2015 you have Marpet/Poutasi/Cann 61-67. That's about when guys that aren't viewed like elite Zack Martin/David DeCastro/Kevin Zeitler/Forrest Lamp go.
Yea, I think Feeney will be a Jaguar in about 1 month.