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Alualu is our FB

Quote:Alualu is our FB

Alualu isn't on the team.

Quote:you could walk down the street and find a FB...

 

 

...besides I recall them saying Koyack can play FB even if we don't get one. For that matter, Ivory is as tough-nosed as it gets, and if Fournette is on the roster, he'll need more to do in order to justify his salary. Ivory might even be an elite FB in this league.

Quote:you expect him to perform like two of the best tight ends to ever play every other week as a rookie?

 

You [BLEEP] A right I do. 

Quote:You [BAD WORD REMOVED] A right I do.

Well thats a stupid expectation to have

Quote:Well thats a stupid expectation to have

 

Maybe to you it is. But taking a TE at number four overall to be a Marcedes Lewis 2.0 seems more like a stupid decision and if anyone has lower expectations or similar expectations of that then they're just as stupid. 

 

Taking a TE at number four needs to merit a player of a high caliber. A player that can command coverage his way. A player that can put a OLB or secondary player on their [BAD WORD REMOVED] or run them down the field during a run play. 

 

Expecting a No. 4 overall pick to play on the same level as Gronkowski, Kelce, Olsen & Graham is plenty reasonable. Expecting him to last as long as Gonzalez and Witten is reasonable.

 

Considering that if we take Howard at No. 4 next month in this draft he's officially the highest drafted TE to ever be drafted since 1960. When the Rams took Billy Cannon No. 1 overall.

 

Just think about that. You're telling me this guy is so highly touted, regarded and graded as a dual threat and complete player at the TE position that he's somehow more worthy of being drafted ahead of hall of fame players like Mike Ditka, Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez, John Mackey, Shannon Sharpe, etc. etc. 

 

Please. Cut the bull [BLEEP] man. Do your homework. You don't take a TE at number four overall unless you think he's another once in a generational type TE. And a once in a generational type TE don't put up sub par numbers. And if he's averaging anything less than 700 yards receiving and anything less than 6 TD receptions per season he's a monumental reach. 

Quote:Maybe to you it is. But taking a TE at number four overall to be a Marcedes Lewis 2.0 seems more like a stupid decision and if anyone has lower expectations or similar expectations of that then they're just as stupid. 

 

Taking a TE at number four needs to merit a player of a high caliber. A player that can command coverage his way. A player that can put a OLB or secondary player on their [BAD WORD REMOVED] or run them down the field during a run play. 

 

Expecting a No. 4 overall pick to play on the same level as Gronkowski, Kelce, Olsen & Graham is plenty reasonable. Expecting him to last as long as Gonzalez and Witten is reasonable.

 

Considering that if we take Howard at No. 4 next month in this draft he's officially the highest drafted TE to ever be drafted since 1960. When the Rams took Billy Cannon No. 1 overall.

 

Just think about that. You're telling me this guy is so highly touted, regarded and graded as a dual threat and complete player at the TE position that he's somehow more worthy of being drafted ahead of hall of fame players like Mike Ditka, Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez, John Mackey, Shannon Sharpe, etc. etc. 

You completely changed the point by leaving out as a rookie, or immediately, or right out of the chute, etc this time. Jack and Glock had issue with you demanding he be as elite as those guys instantly.

 

If you had merely said he needs to get to their level eventually to justify his pick at 4 you would have gotten no push back. Of course a top 5 drafted TE needs to become elite, it just doesn't have to happen as a rookie. 

Quote:You completely changed the point by leaving out as a rookie, or immediately, or right out of the chute, etc this time. Jack and Glock had issue with you demanding he be as elite as those guys instantly.

 

If you had merely said he needs to get to their level eventually to justify his pick at 4 you would have gotten no push back. Of course a top 5 drafted TE needs to become elite, it just doesn't have to happen as a rookie. 

 

No. I still expect an instant impact at a high level from him even as a rookie if we make him the second highest TE to ever be drafted since 19....[BLEEP]....60. 

Quote:No. I still expect an instant impact at a high level from him even as a rookie if we make him the second highest TE to ever be drafted since 19....[BAD WORD REMOVED]....60. 

So because he's taken a whopping 2 spots higher than Vernon Davis or Kellen Winslow Jr. that changes the entire expectation scale for a rookie? 

 

That's like I think Vino (sorry if I'm wrong) saying but no safety has ever been taken at 4 so you can't do it! (just ignore the two safeties taken one whole gigantic pick later with great success)

 

You get too wrapped up in tiny one or two slot thresholds and think it radically changes things when it simply doesn't. Taking a safety or Howard at 4 isn't some earth shattering move that completely changes the course of history and expectations of the NFL. 

Quote:So because he's taken a whopping 2 spots higher than Vernon Davis or Kellen Winslow Jr. that changes the entire expectation scale for a rookie? 

 

That's like I think Vino (sorry if I'm wrong) saying but no safety has ever been taken at 4 so you can't do it! (just ignore the two safeties taken one whole gigantic pick later with great success)

 

You get too wrapped up in tiny one or two slot thresholds and think it radically changes things when it simply doesn't. Taking a safety or Howard at 4 isn't some earth shattering move that completely changes the course of history and expectations of the NFL. 

 

Again. Opinions are like [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Everyone's got one. At the end of the day if we pass up on a player like Fournette who could end up touching the football 20 times per game compared to a guy that may or may not be featured in this offense is foolish.

 

Especially in a deep class at the tight end position. I'd rather see Johnathan Allen, Solomon Thomas or a trade down at this point to upgrade the offensive line. 

 

Howard that high just doesn't make much sense. Especially when the motto has been "win now, win today". If that's the case you take the big bruising RB that can carry your sorry [BAD WORD REMOVED] QB and hope for the best.

 

Why would we also go after Howard after we just traded Thomas away? It doesn't look like this offense wants to truly feature a primary receiving tight end now. 

Quote:Again. Opinions are like [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Everyone's got one. At the end of the day if we pass up on a player like Fournette who could end up touching the football 20 times per game compared to a guy that may or may not be featured in this offense is foolish.

 

Especially in a deep class at the tight end position. I'd rather see Johnathan Allen, Solomon Thomas or a trade down at this point to upgrade the offensive line. 

 

Howard that high just doesn't make much sense. Especially when the motto has been "win now, win today". If that's the case you take the big bruising RB that can carry your sorry [BAD WORD REMOVED] QB and hope for the best.

 

Why would we also go after Howard after we just traded Thomas away? It doesn't look like this offense wants to truly feature a primary receiving tight end now. 

1. We all want Solomon Thomas first and foremost. Howard is just the best consolation prize. Allen and Fournette both have significantly more concerns than Howard. 

 

2. The RB class is even deeper than the TE class so I'm not sure why that's a point you are making. 

 

3. That's a leap to say not wanting Thomas around means we don't want to feature a receiving TE. It means we don't want to feature a lazy, out of shape, oft injured TE who gives away the play call because he can't block. That by no means we wouldn't like a young, freak athlete TE who also helps the run game and pass blocking when he isn't running routes. 

Quote:Maybe to you it is. But taking a TE at number four overall to be a Marcedes Lewis 2.0 seems more like a stupid decision and if anyone has lower expectations or similar expectations of that then they're just as stupid.


Taking a TE at number four needs to merit a player of a high caliber. A player that can command coverage his way. A player that can put a OLB or secondary player on their [BAD WORD REMOVED] or run them down the field during a run play.


Expecting a No. 4 overall pick to play on the same level as Gronkowski, Kelce, Olsen & Graham is plenty reasonable. Expecting him to last as long as Gonzalez and Witten is reasonable.


Considering that if we take Howard at No. 4 next month in this draft he's officially the highest drafted TE to ever be drafted since 1960. When the Rams took Billy Cannon No. 1 overall.


Just think about that. You're telling me this guy is so highly touted, regarded and graded as a dual threat and complete player at the TE position that he's somehow more worthy of being drafted ahead of hall of fame players like Mike Ditka, Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez, John Mackey, Shannon Sharpe, etc. etc.


Please. Cut the bull [BAD WORD REMOVED] man. Do your homework. You don't take a TE at number four overall unless you think he's another once in a generational type TE. And a once in a generational type TE don't put up sub par numbers. And if he's averaging anything less than 700 yards receiving and anything less than 6 TD receptions per season he's a monumental reach.

You wrote this entire essay just to completely deviate from the original point which was


"Oj Howard needs to perform like one of the best tight ends to ever play as a rookie"


I have no problem having high expectations for a 4th overall pick. Expecting any rookie at any position to play like one of the best of all time immediately is objectively moronic.

Quote:You wrote this entire essay just to completely deviate from the original point which was


"Oj Howard needs to perform like one of the best tight ends to ever play as a rookie"


I have no problem having high expectations for a 4th overall pick. Expecting any rookie at any position to play like one of the best of all time immediately is objectively moronic.

I tried this already and got another essay.

Quote:I tried this already and got another essay.

Yeah man I have no idea what to do. Excluding the defensive players and an unlikely olineman at 4, the next two most obvious options are RB and TE.


A versatile do it all TE is way more valuable than a running back. The stuff you can do schematically is so vast. But fournette isnt especially good as a receiver so all youre getting is some removed pressure in the secondary when a guy has to be kept in the box, which you also get from a tight end in other ways.

Then theres the RBs dependence on a scheme that suits him and a line the will open up holes. And thats not even getting into the issues with fournette or cook as a player, the value of running backs as far as where theyre selected, the longevity of their careers, etc etc. There are SO many issues with a running back at 4, especially leonard, that I find it hard to keep up. Where the biggest issue for a TE at 4 is pretty much expectation since its not done regularly.


I feel like people have fallen in love with the idea of fournette and it doesnt allow for them to believe anything else about him. Hes just the perfect caricature of "tough" football because his vines and harrishighlights of him running over future CPAs is fun. Run the ball one hundred times a game. Smash mouth football or something.

Quote:Maybe to you it is. But taking a TE at number four overall to be a Marcedes Lewis 2.0 seems more like a stupid decision and if anyone has lower expectations or similar expectations of that then they're just as stupid. 

 

Taking a TE at number four needs to merit a player of a high caliber. A player that can command coverage his way. A player that can put a OLB or secondary player on their [BAD WORD REMOVED] or run them down the field during a run play. 

 

Expecting a No. 4 overall pick to play on the same level as Gronkowski, Kelce, Olsen & Graham is plenty reasonable. Expecting him to last as long as Gonzalez and Witten is reasonable.

 

Considering that if we take Howard at No. 4 next month in this draft he's officially the highest drafted TE to ever be drafted since 1960. When the Rams took Billy Cannon No. 1 overall.

 

Just think about that. You're telling me this guy is so highly touted, regarded and graded as a dual threat and complete player at the TE position that he's somehow more worthy of being drafted ahead of hall of fame players like Mike Ditka, Kellen Winslow, Tony Gonzalez, John Mackey, Shannon Sharpe, etc. etc. 

 

Please. Cut the bull [BAD WORD REMOVED] man. Do your homework. You don't take a TE at number four overall unless you think he's another once in a generational type TE. And a once in a generational type TE don't put up sub par numbers. And if he's averaging anything less than 700 yards receiving and anything less than 6 TD receptions per season he's a monumental reach. 

I agree completely. Gronk caught 10 TDs his rookie year, Jimmy Graham had 11 the first year they really started throwing to him. Gates had 13 once they started throwing his way in year 2. If you're going to take a TE at #4, he really should be a 700+ yard receiver and 6 scores, those are very reasonable expectations. 

Quote:I agree completely. Gronk caught 10 TDs his rookie year, Jimmy Graham had 11 the first year they really started throwing to him. Gates had 13 once they started throwing his way in year 2. If you're going to take a TE at #4, he really should be a 700+ yard receiver and 6 scores, those are very reasonable expectations. 

He said as a rookie though, not "the first year they really start throwing to him" or "once they started throwing his way year 2". Also don't forget that your examples have 3 hall of fame QBs throwing to him. 

Quote:He said as a rookie though, not "the first year they really start throwing to him" or "once they started throwing his way year 2". Also don't forget that your examples have 3 hall of fame QBs throwing to him. 

These were basketballers just getting into the NFL, I would say that Howard should have a huge advantage in that regard, but that's also why I wasn't saying that 1100 yards and 10 scores should be expected. Is 700 and 6 scores really that high of a bar? That seems so reasonable to me for a #4 overall tight end. 

Quote:These were basketballers just getting into the NFL, I would say that Howard should have a huge advantage in that regard, but that's also why I wasn't saying that 1100 yards and 10 scores should be expected. Is 700 and 6 scores really that high of a bar? That seems so reasonable to me for a #4 overall tight end. 

TDs are fluky so who knows there, but 700 yards would be fair. 

I just never see a reason to take a TE in top 10.  For a team that hardly uses Tight Ends, 

If we take Howard, I hope we plan on feeding him the ball downfield. He wasnt used correctly at alabama