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I have no respect for McShay, but even a blind squirrel...  O.J. Howard shows every trait that you would look for in a generational all pro quality TE.  He's that divergent.  At current, he's bigger, faster, more agile, and just as strong as the two running backs that are being considered for the top ten.  Against LB's and Safeties he is going to be able to create instant mismatches with speed and he's plain bigger than slot corners.  He has the athletic potential to be SPECIAL at the TE position. 

 

Jonothen Allen didn't demonstrate that kind of divergence.  He looks more and more like your average starting 3 technique. 

 

Would you take Gronk or Alualu? 

 

If Thomas is there, that's a different story.  He's a guy who projects to PREMIUM PRODUCTION at a PREMIUM POSITION.  That makes sense.  But cook fournette both tested within the standard deviation for RB's and are more likely to be found later in the draft. 

 

All things being equal, TE is a huge risk at 4.  I normally wouldn't advocate it, but with Cambelle in the fold and thomas likely gone at 4, then anything is possible. 

I'd take him over Fournette

Quote:Way faster than gates.

 

 

I don't know about way faster. Howard ran a 4.51... Gates ran something in the 4.5's. So, maybe Gates is a hair slower, but he's close.

Quote:You can be a real jerk and say the man name right because no one mistake blake for Peyton Manning. He did however threw for 35 TD's in one year which is a lot more than most QB in NFL did in one particular year of their careers.

Are you kin to him or something? Like seriously, why do you care if I say his name correctly or not?

Quote:Are you kin to him or something? Like seriously, why do you care if I say his name correctly or not?

Leopold gets very sensitive about bortles you see.

Quote:All I can think is how Julius Thomas caught 24 TDs in 2 seasons with Peyton Manning and he came here with Biff Bortles and caught like 9.


Picking a tight end at 4 would be hilarious.

 

Bortles looked at Thomas a lot when he actually played last year. He had 4 TDs on 30 catches, and that was with a slow, lazy tight end in a system that didn't use him properly.

No way at 4. This is really dumb to think it would happen at 4. Only if we trade down. We need a play maker on offense to help put some points on the score board

Quote:No way at 4. This is really dumb to think it would happen at 4. Only if we trade down. We need a play maker on offense to help put some points on the score board

There are those who obviously think he's a playmaker

Quote:There are those who obviously think he's a playmaker

I guess so, but I don't trust tight ends this much. It's really difficult to choose here, but I would take my chances with the 240 pound 4.5 speed running back from lsu. I think we should add a speed burner at wr some where along the line too. I know we have some good ones, but we can use one that can stretch the defense. At least we have lee. He stepped up huge last season. I do like Howard and if we did pick him, I would i think he has potential but a great running back would open this offense up. Ivory I like but he fumbled too much and yeldon was bad. Konyak is not bad actually.

Quote:I guess so, but I don't trust tight ends this much. It's really difficult to choose here, but I would take my chances with the 240 pound 4.5 speed running back from lsu. I think we should add a speed burner at wr some where along the line too. I know we have some good ones, but we can use one that can stretch the defense. At least we have lee. He stepped up huge last season. I do like Howard and if we did pick him, I would i think he has potential but a great running back would open this offense up. Ivory I like but he fumbled too much and yeldon was bad. Konyak is not bad actually.

 

You think a 240 lb RB with 4.5 speed is a weapon but a 6'6 250 lb TE with the same speed wouldn't? It's not just the straight line speed either. Howard's agility and cod drills were on par with receivers.

 

If used and developed properly, this guy can be a real weapon.

That guy doesn't want to look up Fournette's fumble rates either. 

Quote:I guess so, but I don't trust tight ends this much. It's really difficult to choose here, but I would take my chances with the 240 pound 4.5 speed running back from lsu. I think we should add a speed burner at wr some where along the line too. I know we have some good ones, but we can use one that can stretch the defense. At least we have lee. He stepped up huge last season. I do like Howard and if we did pick him, I would i think he has potential but a great running back would open this offense up. Ivory I like but he fumbled too much and yeldon was bad. Konyak is not bad actually.

I have greater concerns about fourette as a playmaker. What's his agility at that weight. Look at what Eddie lacy is going through.


Howard is bigger and more agile than leonard without losing any speed

Quote:You think a 240 lb RB with 4.5 speed is a weapon but a 6'6 250 lb TE with the same speed wouldn't? It's not just the straight line speed either. Howard's agility and cod drills were on par with receivers.

 

If used and developed properly, this guy can be a real weapon.

I think it's a lot easier for Blake to hand the ball off than complete passes to the tight end. Look what happened with Thomas lol but hey, like said, tough choices here.

Quote:I have greater concerns about fourette as a playmaker. What's his agility at that weight. Look at what Eddie lacy is going through.

Howard is bigger and more agile than leonard wwithout looking any speed

Damn NFL needs to move the draft to early April. The wait is already hurting lol lacy is way out of shape. That guy is like 270. Whatever happens, I hope the offense gets help. Need to score points this year and get some early leads. Running game needs to help Blake a lot

Quote:I think it's a lot easier for Blake to hand the ball off than complete passes to the tight end. Look what happened with Thomas lol but hey, like said, tough choices here.

It's real easy for RBs to run into defenders when our O-line gets no push in the run game.

 

But they definitely pass pro'd better last year.

Quote:It's definitely not ideal to me, but I could get behind Howard early:

 

1. Howard

2. Dawkins (or B.A. guard)

3. Webb or Kamara

4. Perine or Webb

 

(I know they probably won't take a QB in the third or fourth, but I'm going to keep hoping they do)

 

Same here. Count me in on the OJ train, simply because he will probably have more longevity than Fournette or Cook. His floor is Mercedes Lewis, who's had only one first-round worthy season (in the Garrard days) but has spent a decade being a strong blocker and red-zone threat. I'll take that floor over a boom/bust RB.

 

In fact, I'd rather take the best edge rusher after Garrett and Solomon over a running back, even if it's considered a reach.

Quote:You think a 240 lb RB with 4.5 speed is a weapon but a 6'6 250 lb TE with the same speed wouldn't? It's not just the straight line speed either. Howard's agility and cod drills were on par with receivers.

 

If used and developed properly, this guy can be a real weapon.

Couldn't agree more!

Yeah I might be on the OJ train after seeing this

 

<p style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Jalen Ramsey Combine: 6.94 3-Cone, 4.18 20yd, 11.1 60yd

<p style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">OJ Howard Combine: 6.85 3-Cone, 4.16 20yd, 11.46 60yd


Also OJs 40 was only .1 second slower than Ramsey...

Howard isn't just a freak athlete, he can also block very well. This is why he is such a major upgrade over Julius, less predictability on offense due to Howards blocking and catching ability

Good to see lots of y'all coming around.