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I'm actually starting to turn on Gus.  Today was a stinker of a game.  This reminded me of 2013.  Get better every day?  Not today, not last week, and not the week before.

Quote:It was annoying, and im not afraid to say im a hater.

JJ has literally the Jags as well as the Tacks to thank for his career. If you drop his stats against us his line is quite pedestrian. Competent teams neutralize him

I'm not a Gus fan but think lots of his bashers are kidding themselves how much a change of coach will cure our problems.


But Gus has shown he can't cover up poor personnel so what would we lose with another journeyman coach? Not a lot.

Im pro stability more than pro gus. Watching us get out competed and out coached was eye openning. I wouldnt shed a tear if they changed coaches.

Was there any more talent added to the team? Players not plays

Liked the hire, then after year 2 realized the mistake and haven't looked back. 

Quote:Was there any more talent added to the team? Players not plays

What does that have to do with what we are talking about?

Quote:Your wrong. No one here is over reacting or being dramatic. You just don't like people conversing about our head coach. This is a message board people will have differing opinions. You are the one that can't handle mine. That's why you here complaining about me. Too bad for you. Deal with it because I'm not going to stop.

 

I'm fine with the decision to keep him.  I wouldn't have lost any sleep had they let him go.  Feel free to talk about the head coach.  His future here is entirely worthy of discussion and there are valid arguments on both sides of the issue.  What you are soliciting here, however, is someone who hasn't yet had a meltdown having one based on a season ender that had no immediate benefit for us winning, but did have an immediate benefit for us losing.  I'm sure everyone in the front office is destroying their offices over it as I type.  And I didn't realize the line "Good luck with that" was so inflammatory.

 

Notice how I never told you to take a hike, you know, because that's not what someone does when they are confident in what they are talking about.  Feel free to put me on ignore if you can't defend your posts or motives.

Quote:Not quite only because I think the talent level on this team just isn't there yet. I'll prolly have a flamethrower at my head soon but it's just how I see it. We have a few quality guy but that's it. We don't have any real game changers and until that happens we will never compete. I think Gus is getting the most of what he can out of the players. Caldwell I think is doing well to just haven't had enough picks to gather enough players. Just my opinion on the situation.



I just look at the teams that are in the playoffs and they have multiple bonefide game changers. We have no one to the level of Watt, Houston, Brady, Hopkins, Von Miller, Rodgers, Peterson (both Adrian and Patrick), Mathieu, I can keep naming guys really. We have no one of that ilk.

Allen Robinson and Telvin Smith are right there

Quote:Liked the hire, then after year 2 realized the mistake and haven't looked back.

What was it that made you realize he was not the right coach? The constant losing? The bad hires? The wrong defensive scheme? Something else?

Also if we fire Gus we will end up with a 3rd different OC for BB in 3 years...

Quote:What does that have to do with what we are talking about?

Idk everything

Quote:I'm fine with the decision to keep him. I wouldn't have lost any sleep had they let him go. Feel free to talk about the head coach. His future here is entirely worthy of discussion and there are valid arguments on both sides of the issue. What you are soliciting here, however, is someone who hasn't yet had a meltdown having one based on a season ender that had no immediate benefit for us winning, but did have an immediate benefit for us losing. I'm sure everyone in the front office is destroying their offices over it as I type. And I didn't realize the line "Good luck with that" was so inflammatory.


Notice how I never told you to take a hike, you know, because that's not what someone does when they are confident in what they are talking about. Feel free to put me on ignore if you can't defend your posts or motives.

I never brought up draft position nor have I brought up the game today. Yet here you are criticizing me for doing so. Lol it so rich. You want to get after me so badly that you'll flat out lie to do it. What I was asking former jag fans had nothing to do with today's game results or draft position. I know you hate my opinion but don't flat out lie.

Quote:I'm fine with the decision to keep him.  I wouldn't have lost any sleep had they let him go.  Feel free to talk about the head coach.  His future here is entirely worthy of discussion and there are valid arguments on both sides of the issue.  What you are soliciting here, however, is someone who hasn't yet had a meltdown having one based on a season ender that had no immediate benefit for us winning, but did have an immediate benefit for us losing.  I'm sure everyone in the front office is destroying their offices over it as I type.  And I didn't realize the line "Good luck with that" was so inflammatory.

 

Notice how I never told you to take a hike, you know, because that's not what someone does when they are confident in what they are talking about.  Feel free to put me on ignore if you can't defend your posts or motives.

Keep sitting on that fence. You add nothing to discussion.

Quote:I never brought up draft position nor have I brought up the game today. Yet here you are criticizing me for doing so. Lol it so rich. You want to get after me so badly that you'll flat out lie to do it. What I was asking former jag fans had nothing to do with today's game results or draft position. I know you hate my opinion but don't flat out lie.

 

Fair enough.  You didn't say it, but started the thread hours after the game so I made an easy connection.  But if that was not your intent then so be it.  Your initial response to me should have clarified your intent rather than telling me to take a hike, so this escalation is on you as much as it is on me.

Quote:Allen Robinson and Telvin Smith are right there

Now I love my team and the players we have. I may get flamed for this but what game changing plays have those two made this year? I mean don't get me wrong they are studs and ballers for the next 10 years but are these guys changing the game? Is Telvin making that pick 6 play on 3rd and long in a tight game? Has Robinson caught a game winning TD? Not saying they won't in the future but have they done it yet?


True game breakers like Earl Thomas and Keuchley are what you need. Watts and Antionio Browns win games. I think we have a few good players but elite talent is what we have zero of.

Quote:What was it that made you realize he was not the right coach? The constant losing? The bad hires? The wrong defensive scheme? Something else?

It's the first. I noticed that there was no accountability for lazy play. That Gus created an environment that said "You can play just enough to earn your pay check comfortably and nothing more." In the third year that changed a little bit but the last 5 games made it seem like it reverted back. On the defensive side anyway.

Quote:What was it that made you realize he was not the right coach? The constant losing? The bad hires? The wrong defensive scheme? Something else?

 

It's mostly losing games that even Las Vegas has them favored in, that and the fact that they were actually 4-6 and just 1 game back for the division lead and then proceeded to go 1-5 the rest of the way to the likes of a bad tacks team which hadn't won a home game since the last time they beat the Jags, a Falcons team on a 6 game losing streak, a Chargers team on a 6 game losing streak, a Saints team with an NFL worst defense and coming out completely flat against the division winning tinhorns.

 

If Gus can't find a way to win a few of those games, how in the heck is he ever going to find a way to lead the Jags to a division title?

Quote:Fair enough. You didn't say it, but started the thread hours after the game so I made an easy connection. But if that was not your intent then so be it. Your initial response to me should have clarified your intent rather than telling me to take a hike, so this escalation is on you as much as it is on me.

Hahaha are you kidding. You didn't read the the original post and misjudged the intent of the thread but it's my fault you didn't understand? Lol no! You can get the hell outta here freak.

Quote:Hahaha are you kidding. You didn't read the the original post and misjudged the intent of the thread but it's my fault you didn't understand? Lol no! You can get the hell outta here freak.

 

That you didn't identify until 4 responses later meaning that you agreed with my initial interpretation.  You are who I thought you were.