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Quote:the majority of jobs in this area is retail, so many minimum wage jobs, which means lotsa food stamps

So they have it paid for and still make bad choices then? Gosh, we should give them more!

Quote:and grow them where?

Roof top gardens work great in the city. Patio gardens work well. Back yards if you have a house.


We used to be a "can do" people, now we can't even cook our own food at home? Balderdash.

Quote:They have a choice: buy cheaper healthier food and look up how to cook it on their smartphones. No sarcasm. I learned shade tree mechanics because I couldn't afford a mechanic. People can teach themselves. They should learn to use technology for something other than gaming and social media.

Thats a lot like personal responsibility, sounds way too hard.

Quote:So they have it paid for and still make bad choices then? Gosh, we should give them more!

people makes budgets...they buy cheaper things to stay in budget, as discussed earlier, the healthy food is more expensive...make healthy food affordable and people will buy more of it...it's not just people on food stamps either...

 

Quote:Roof top gardens work great in the city. Patio gardens work well. Back yards if you have a house.


We used to be a "can do" people, now we can't even cook our own food at home? Balderdash.

roof top gardens work well on a flat roof if you have one and only want a few plants, patio gardens will work unless you want to grow a bunch of different things, backyards are not big enough to grow much of anything anymore, not to mention municipal codes in a lot of places require that your back yard be at least 50% lawn or more 

Quote:They have a choice: buy cheaper healthier food and look up how to cook it on their smartphones. No sarcasm. I learned shade tree mechanics because I couldn't afford a mechanic. People can teach themselves. They should learn to use technology for something other than gaming and social media.

what exactly is cheaper healthy food? if healthy food was cheaper we wouldn't be having this discussion

Quote:and grow them where?

5 gallon buckets are perfect if your limited in space.

A person can comfortably eat a healthy and nutritious diet for less than $40 a week if they did some research. Eating a bad diet is a choice you make.

Quote:Roof top gardens work great in the city. Patio gardens work well. Back yards if you have a house.


We used to be a "can do" people, now we can't even cook our own food at home? Balderdash.

We went to the moon with slide rulers

Quote:what exactly is cheaper healthy food? if healthy food was cheaper we wouldn't be having this discussion

 

You mean the responses to your ridiculous assertion that poor people must eat garbage to survive? Canned goods and frozen items not only provide more than adequate nutrition, they are plenty inexpensive enough for a person willing to spend the time shopping sensibly rather than sit in a drive thru, to eat well. Not only that, but more portions can be prepared and kept with very inexpensive storage containers to make additional meals. I guarantee you I could buy Walmart store brand items that would last several nutritionally complete meals for the price of one day's worth of junk food. Meat, vegetables, and starches - all can be purchased and prepared economically for anyone who is willing to expend the effort.  I know because I grew up dirt poor. If it wasn't for welfare there would have been many days I wouldn't have eaten at all. My mother purchased the makings of well-balanced meals and we ate well. Not a lot, sometimes it seemed not enough, but it was nutritionally complete. She taught herself how to make bread and many of the dishes she prepared with a crippled dominant hand. I never realized what a saint she was until I had my own family. So these empty assertions that people can't fend responsibly for themselves without high school classes or "wealth" falls on deaf ears with me. 

Junkfood is often so cheap because of worker exploitation at the fast food chains. Pay them a proper wage and everyone wins.

Quote:Junkfood is often so cheap because of worker exploitation at the fast food chains. Pay them a proper wage and everyone wins.

 

Don't be ignorant. Fast food is not cheaper than a "healthy" home cooked meal.


 

And proper wages for high school students working part time is not $15 per hour. In eight years Obama hasn't created enough real jobs so that adults aren't forced to work slinging burgers, but that's not the fault of the fast food industry.

Cheap fast food is a luxury anyone born prior to 1900 would be incredibly grateful for. We full of people who just piss and moan about it.

Quote:They have a choice: buy cheaper healthier food and look up how to cook it on their smartphones. No sarcasm. I learned shade tree mechanics because I couldn't afford a mechanic. People can teach themselves. They should learn to use technology for something other than gaming and social media.

I agree to a certain extent. It is the individuals fault, but its hard to argue that they haven't been set up to fail. As a culture this generation has been taught that if you are not a Cordon Bleu chef, that cooking is not worth pursuing (and even presented as demeaning sexist task if your a girl). The training is removed from the schools to emphasize 'common core' of English and Math (which is also failing as well ironically). Then we give huge kickbacks for the growth of crops that are already abundant, and companies subsidize their least healthy products because they are addictive. 

 

If you are pro-profit why wouldn't you want the cheapest most addicting thing you can produce? Fats, Sugar, Salt, the body loves these things, throw in some High Fructose Corn Syrup with a higher content of glucose than sugar (hey its cheaper and subsidized why not), and you have a nice cheap product that addicts its users. Keep food prep education limited in schools, and train people to depend on stores to survive. Its a good business scenario, even tho its terrible for the end user.

 

All that said I support rugged individualism and think that every person is responsible for themselves. But that's not what people are told/taught anymore. They are pretty much trained into dependence on the state. Especially the poorer class. Even with the internet, it is saturated with so much bad information and useless things that the good stuff can get drowned out.

 

I just can't jump on the black/white its all personal responsibility train. There is such a thing as societal responsibility too, and as a society we have let ourselves down. The idea of taking care of your own used to be part of the identity of the US, and it wasn't political. Teddy Roosevelt (my favorite president) Mr. Rugged individualism himself broke up monopoly's. He didn't let the rich and powerful just decide everything for everyone else. And just to be clear, when I say societal responsibility I am talking about what principles we value, how we treat one another, not some communist collectivism.

Quote:A person can comfortably eat a healthy and nutritious diet for less than $40
a week if they did some research. Eating a bad diet is a choice you make.

no chance in hell...try trying to raise a family buying nothing but fat free low sodium organic low carbohydrate low sugar high protein diet  

Quote:You mean the responses to your ridiculous assertion that poor people must eat garbage to survive? Canned goods and frozen items not only provide more than adequate nutrition, they are plenty inexpensive enough for a person willing to spend the time shopping sensibly rather than sit in a drive thru, to eat well. Not only that, but more portions can be prepared and kept with very inexpensive storage containers to make additional meals. I guarantee you I could buy Walmart store brand items that would last several nutritionally complete meals for the price of one day's worth of junk food. Meat, vegetables, and starches - all can be purchased and prepared economically for anyone who is willing to expend the effort.  I know because I grew up dirt poor. If it wasn't for welfare there would have been many days I wouldn't have eaten at all. My mother purchased the makings of well-balanced meals and we ate well. Not a lot, sometimes it seemed not enough, but it was nutritionally complete. She taught herself how to make bread and many of the dishes she prepared with a crippled dominant hand. I never realized what a saint she was until I had my own family. So these empty assertions that people can't fend responsibly for themselves without high school classes or "wealth" falls on deaf ears with me. 

try shopping for all natural organic foods low sodium low carbohydrates, no sugar added, low fat foods and then check the prices...People who don't shop for these things have no idea what the cost really is...I make damm good money, but eating a diet consisting of foods as mentioned is expensive as hell

Quote:I have been asking for years why the so called organic foods cost more and no one has an answer...I would think they should be cheaper...Supposedly there are no  fertilizers used, no pest killing sprays, no artificial lighting, so there should be less labor and materials used in producing such foods, therefor. the cost to produce these foods should be less but instead they are higher.

I can answer this for you very easily. In short your supposition is incorrect.


Organic crops take fertilizer (foilar fertilizer at a much higher cost), more pest sprays (again usually a higher cost) at higher intervals, more labor, more time in the field and produce a smaller yield.


The cost is actually much higher and is naturally passed on to the end user.

Quote:no chance in hell...try trying to raise a family buying nothing but fat free low sodium organic low carbohydrate low sugar high protein diet

Actually they disproved the non fat thing.

Quote:try shopping for all natural organic foods low sodium low carbohydrates, no sugar added, low fat foods and then check the prices...People who don't shop for these things have no idea what the cost really is...I make damm good money, but eating a diet consisting of foods as mentioned is expensive as hell

Now we have to send everyone to whole foods?

Quote:try shopping for all natural organic foods low sodium low carbohydrates, no sugar added, low fat foods and then check the prices...People who don't shop for these things have no idea what the cost really is...I make damm good money, but eating a diet consisting of foods as mentioned is expensive as hell

How does this relate to your argument that poor people can only afford to eat garbage? There's a difference between basic balanced nutrition and dieting.

Quote:Now we have to send everyone to whole foods?

Apparently any food not from there is garbage.