Quote:I always love it when simpletons like you throw out the "excuses" label.
I have yet to hear Gus make a single excuse.
I don't consider FACTS to be excuses, but I understand that FACTS tend to confuse the likes of you, so you have to label them as something, and excuses is the best you can come up with.
The truth is, FACTS indicate that the 5-21 record, as painful as it has been from the perspective of fans, is the end result of years of bad drafting and personnel decisions that had to be undone. It's the result of a complete change of philosophy where the team is building almost exclusively through the draft for the first 2 seasons under the current regime.
It is a FACT that this is one of the youngest rosters in the league as a result of the purge of garbage that was done over the past 2 years, and that we are putting the young players on the field in order to allow them to develop as players so that when we hit year 3, we'll know EXACTLY where this team stands in their rebuilding process.
It's not the fault of the front office, the coaching staff, or the owner that some of their fans are so incredibly thick headed and incapable of understanding that it takes time to build the team using the approach they've chosen.
Nobody here is saying Gus is the savior as the head coach. You're just not capable of understanding the point that the jury is still out despite the record, and it's FACTS, not excuses that have determined the current record he has as a head coach.
There ya go again spouting off FACTS that people either choose to ignore or can't comprehend...You should know better by now
Don't you know that EVERY single rookie we have that will ever be worth his salt, should have come right out of college and in less than a full season develop into Hall of Fame material? I mean Geesh...how many days does it really take for players to develop? In 30-90 days they should be fully developed and free from any rookie mistakes...
With over 56k posts, you should know this...
Quote:There ya go again spouting off FACTS that people either choose to ignore or can't comprehend...You should know better by now
Don't you know that EVERY single rookie we have that will ever be worth his salt, should have come right out of college and in less than a full season develop into Hall of Fame material? I mean Geesh...how many days does it really take for players to develop? In 30-90 days they should be fully developed and free from any rookie mistakes...
With over 56k posts, you should know this...
Curse those Jags fans who expected better than 1-9. Blame it all on the rookies. Yes good escape goat
Quote:Curse those Jags fans who expected better than 1-9. Blame it all on the rookies. Yes good escape goat
And of course you are a better fan than most of us, because you expect better than 1-9.
I hope you pound the table when you type, with your face red and all. You know, because you want it more than anyone else.
Yeah! Go get 'em champ.
Gus sucks as a coach. His record says so. FACTS.
Quote:Curse those Jags fans who expected better than 1-9. Blame it all on the rookies. Yes good escape goat
Escape goat? Was that spell check run amok again?
While I do still have faith in Gus, I am starting to wonder if he will be one of those transitional coaches like Mike Singletary. He took over a 49er team in dire need of more talent, and he did get fired eventually, but in the meantime the 49ers did accumulate a whole lot of talent and by the time Jim Harbaugh took over, they already had the talent to contend.
If you're old enough to remember Charlie Pell at Florida, in spite of an 0-10-1 record one year, he turned the program around, talent wise, and the next guy took advantage of it. Florida was pathetic for 50 years until they hired Charlie Pell.
So it's possible that, like Moses, Gus does not get to the Promised Land. It's possible that he is a transitional figure like Mike Singletary. It's possible that we are actually making solid progress, even if Gus is not here in the future to take advantage of it.
Coaching during a rebuild is a very difficult and thankless task, and a lot of coaches don't survive it.
Quote:Curse those Jags fans who expected better than 1-9. Blame it all on the rookies. Yes good escape goat
why would you expect a better record than last year with the youngest roster in the NFL? Seasoned vets will dominate rookies and undrafted free agents...
All of us are frustrated by the 1-9 record, but the reality is rookies vs seasoned vets will go to seasoned vets every time
There are at least 3 games we should have won, which would have put us on par with last years record, but rookie mistakes cost us the wins.
There are quite a few positives and improvements that are obvious if one chooses to see them, but then there are others who feel the only measure of improvement is in the w/l column
Quote:why would you expect a better record than last year with the youngest roster in the NFL? Seasoned vets will dominate rookies and undrafted free agents...
All of us are frustrated by the 1-9 record, but the reality is rookies vs seasoned vets will go to seasoned vets every time
There are at least 3 games we should have won, which would have put us on par with last years record, but rookie mistakes cost us the wins.
There are quite a few positives and improvements that are obvious if one chooses to see them, but then there are others who feel the only measure of improvement is in the w/l column
1. Who really cares a rats behind about spelling. I admit I am a terrible speller and don't care. Einstein failed many classes in grade school so shove it
2. You can nit pick about positives but the only real measure of a team is wins. 1-9 speaks volumes. You could look at the 0-16 lions or 0-14 bucs and point out positives, so what? The team stinks. You are what your record says you are
I voted no and I'll explain why. I think Bradley's a great guy and an excellent motivator. I'm just trying to think back on any successful coach who's been such a "player's coach" like him and I'm not coming up with much. Most successful coaches aren't the friendliest guys in the world.
I think Bradley will get another year to prove himself and rightfully so. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he kills it next year and proves to be the right head coach for years to come. However, my instincts tell me this won't be the case.
Another important note is that I think it's crucial to have that successful head coach-QB combo in the league today. Walsh/Montana, Belichick/Brady, Dungy/Manning, Payton/Brees. I just can't picture Bradley/Bortles in that category. I think we need an offensive-minded coach who can really develop Blake and get him to a Pro Bowl level and I'm not sure if we currently have that.
NO.
I don't see the issue in answering a question presented as Yes/No. If you are of the mindset of "maybe", or "he is the guy for now", or "let's wait and see", then don't answer the poll for Christ's sake and exclude your opinion. Unless you are the type who has to chime in on everything regardless, then of course, be yourself. :no:
Quote:I am going to say he hasn't proven he *isn't* the guy and since we're relatively early into such a major rebuild the jury should remain out. With that said, yeah I think he is the guy but I wish he'd done what TC did in the early days and hired experienced NFL coaches in the coordinator spots.
In response to the bolded... It's not too late for Bradley to revamp his coordinators and his staff. I think it will be the key to his success.
I tend to agree with the posters who have concerns about an inexperienced coaching staff leading an inexperienced team. I'm holding out hope the Bradley get's smart and starts bringing in guys that have some NFL experience and are great schemers and game planners. That can leave Bradley to be more of the CEO.
Quote:I have to say I am a fan - another season and draft and I think we become competitive.. I feel like he is a player's coach but still has the team's respect.. halfway between Coughlin and JDR...
I'm very concerned that a players coach isn't gonna get the job done. Especially a players coach that isn't very good at creating a game plan or philosophy other than, "Do your job" and "go run through a wall".
This is the 1970's anymore. You need coaches that can out scheme you. If that's not Bradley, he needs to get some people on board that can do that work for him. Of course, those people will eventually get hired on as HCs somewhere else... And then Bradley may well be right where he's at now.
I really hope Bradley is more than just a players coach. Hopefully he really understands the game. At this point, I have my doubts, but will wait till next year.
He just really needs to revamp his coaching staff.
One thing I heard as I was watching the Cincy/Saints game today. After the Bengals got blown out by the browns last week, Marvin Lewis didn't go home after the game--- He went back to the office to break down the game tape...
Do you think Bradley is that type of coach? A coach that is breaking down and analyzing game film? A coach that is staying up all night trying to figure out how to get our players better, finding weaknesses in our opponents, and scheming of ways to put our players in the best position to be successfull?
Does he come off as that type of coach?
Quote:One thing I heard as I was watching the Cincy/Saints game today. After the Bengals got blown out by the browns last week, Marvin Lewis didn't go home after the game--- He went back to the office to break down the game tape...
Do you think Bradley is that type of coach? A coach that is breaking down and analyzing game film? A coach that is staying up all night trying to figure out how to get our players better, finding weaknesses in our opponents, and scheming of ways to put our players in the best position to be successfull?
Does he come off as that type of coach?
It sure doesn't show up on the field if he is does it?
Quote:It sure doesn't show up on the field if he is does it?
Exactly... It's unfortunate... And who know's maybe Bradley is actually a student of the game and loves the X's and O's, but we're just enamored with his passion.
But you're right. It's not like we've seen some amazing tactical moves by this coaching staff. Heck even some of the personell moves have been slow in coming to fruition--- Specifically the transition from Amelia Gerhart to Shoelace. Posters, including myself, were looking for Shoelace to get more touches as early as after week 2. But it took the coaches 4 weeks before they finally realized Gerhart needed to be replaced...
I'm not calling for Bradley to be fired. But this bye week and the remainder of this season into next is critical for him.
Quote:1. Who really cares a rats behind about spelling. I admit I am a terrible speller and don't care. Einstein failed many classes in grade school so shove it
2. You can nit pick about positives but the only real measure of a team is wins. 1-9 speaks volumes. You could look at the 0-16 lions or 0-14 bucs and point out positives, so what? The team stinks. You are what your record says you are
I wasn't the one who mentioned spelling errors so don't jump on me about it...
I already said 1-9 sucks but if you can't see improvement, it's probably has something to do with tunnel vision...Just they arrogant way you jumped on me when I wasn't the one who said anything, tells me you don't pay attention to much of anything...You need to look at THE BIG PICTURE rather than a small segment of it
Not to mention Caldwell has said a bazillion times, the roster is not being built to be successful RIGHT NOW, it's being built for the future...If you can't handle that don't jump on me about it, suck it up, quit bawling, and live in reality rather than have inflated expectations...Anyone who thought a team made up of mostly rookie and second year players was going to go out and set the place on fire is delusional
Quote: I wasn't the one who mentioned spelling errors so don't jump on me about it...
I already said 1-9 sucks but if you can't see improvement, it's probably has something to do with tunnel vision...Just they arrogant way you jumped on me when I wasn't the one who said anything, tells me you don't pay attention to much of anything...You need to look at THE BIG PICTURE rather than a small segment of it
Not to mention Caldwell has said a bazillion times, the roster is not being built to be successful RIGHT NOW, it's being built for the future...If you can't handle that don't jump on me about it, suck it up, quit bawling, and live in reality rather than have inflated expectations...Anyone who thought a team made up of mostly rookie and second year players was going to go out and set the place on fire is delusional
The improvement is marginal. This thread is about Bradley as a coach... What you are discussing is talent acquisition, which is not Bradley's department, that is Caldwell's area. And I believe you can say that Caldwell is definately the man.
Bradley, on the other hand? It doesn't look like it.
By your own account, you see there are improvements. But our record is still bad. That's a coaching issue.
Quote:I wasn't the one who mentioned spelling errors so don't jump on me about it...
I already said 1-9 sucks but if you can't see improvement, it's probably has something to do with tunnel vision...Just they arrogant way you jumped on me when I wasn't the one who said anything, tells me you don't pay attention to much of anything...You need to look at THE BIG PICTURE rather than a small segment of it
Not to mention Caldwell has said a bazillion times, the roster is not being built to be successful RIGHT NOW, it's being built for the future...If you can't handle that don't jump on me about it, suck it up, quit bawling, and live in reality rather than have inflated expectations...Anyone who thought a team made up of mostly rookie and second year players was going to go out and set the place on fire is delusional
This isn't grade school. It's a professional sport. The only thing that matters is wins.
We are playing better but if we don't start winning, Bradley won't be here. Simple.
Quote:This isn't grade school. It's a professional sport. The only thing that matters is wins.
We are playing better but if we don't start winning, Bradley won't be here. Simple.
well there are things you have to do before the wins come
you have to crawl before you walk, walk before you run and then you can start doing something in this world....
You have to have players who are developed enough before you are going to start stringing along wins...the only wins we had last year was against bottom feeders with a losing record...this year we haven't really played many of those, but we have played some pretty darn good teams who will go into the playoffs...I suppose none of that matters any either...
Before winning comes developing and maturing a team full of rookies ans second year players...There is no other way to get there from here
Gus has at least one more year before he's on the hotseat
Quote:well there are thing you have to do before the wins come
you have to crawl before you walk, walk before you run and then you can start doing something in this world....You have to have players who are developed enough before you are going to start stringing along wins...the only wins we had last year was against bottom feeders with a losing record...this year we haven't really played many of those, but we have played some pretty darn good teams who will go into the playoffs...I suppose none of that matters any either...
Before winning comes developing and maturing a team full of rookies ans second year players...There is no other way to get there from here
Yeah, like take the time to figure out how to best get your players in a position to be successfull. Figuring out who your best RB is. Figuring out how best to attack another teams defense. Figuring out that playing a soft zone is not the best way to protect a weak FS and LB corps...
These are all things you have to figure out... These are all things that Bradley has been very slow to figure out...
It's cause for concern to anyone that is paying attention and watching the games this season...
Quote:well there are things you have to do before the wins come
you have to crawl before you walk, walk before you run and then you can start doing something in this world....
You have to have players who are developed enough before you are going to start stringing along wins...the only wins we had last year was against bottom feeders with a losing record...this year we haven't really played many of those, but we have played some pretty darn good teams who will go into the playoffs...I suppose none of that matters any either...
Before winning comes developing and maturing a team full of rookies ans second year players...There is no other way to get there from here
Gus has at least one more year before he's on the hotseat
1-15 and his seat wouldn't be hot? I highly doubt that.
These teams, players, coaches and owners only care about wins. (And money obviously) We are slightly improved in a couple areas but do you know one area that isn't improved? The coaching. Name one instance where you were like "that's great move there by Bradley" ... I'm not saying to fire the guy but so many people think he's doing a good job with these guys. Even he says he's not doing a good job but there are people saying he is.
He is not doing well right now.... Maybe that changes but right now he's not doing his job.