Quote:Yeah, like take the time to figure out how to best get your players in a position to be successfull. Figuring out who your best RB is. Figuring out how best to attack another teams defense. Figuring out that playing a soft zone is not the best way to protect a weak FS and LB corps...
These are all things you have to figure out... These are all things that Bradley has been very slow to figure out...
It's cause for concern to anyone that is paying attention and watching the games this season...
I suppose you had all those things figured out in week number one...I just love all these internet message posters who are always so much smarter than people who have worked in professional sports jobs their entire life...I would tend to think that the football people running the organization has much more football knowledge that internet posters...I'm sure Mr Khan values you're expertise, you should apply for GM or HC
Quote:1-15 and his seat wouldn't be hot? I highly doubt that.
These teams, players, coaches and owners only care about wins. (And money obviously) We are slightly improved in a couple areas but do you know one area that isn't improved? The coaching. Name one instance where you were like "that's great move there by Bradley" ... I'm not saying to fire the guy but so many people think he's doing a good job with these guys. Even he says he's not doing a good job but there are people saying he is.
He is not doing well right now.... Maybe that changes but right now he's not doing his job.
so what coach do you believe could take a team full of rookies and second year players and do better? I seriously doubt there is any...
The owner said in London they are about where they thought they would be at this time...The games we should have won but lost due to dumb rookie mistakes would have put them right where we were last year...Khan is fine with where we are, he said so in the London videos and he believes we are on the right track...He knows 2 drafts are not enough to be where we all want to be, so why is it so hard for others to figure that out too?
Quote:I suppose you had all those things figured out in week number one...I just love all these internet message posters who are always so much smarter than people who have worked in professional sports jobs their entire life...I would tend to think that the football people running the organization has much more football knowledge that internet posters...I'm sure Mr Khan values you're expertise, you should apply for GM or HC
LOL, I love it when a poster attacks another poster with this type of logic. You have no answers for my critiques so you attack me as a poster. Just admit you have no response for it... It would be the more mature thing to do.
Look, we all hope Bradley is gonna be a good coach. But when you look at the really good coaches in this league and the really good teams, they have coaches that are constantly scheming and game planning.
Your Andy Reids, Belecheats, Chip Kelley's, Marvin Lewis, John Fox, Jeff Fishers, Jim Harbaughs, Sean Peytons. These guys aren't "rah rah" type coaches. They are game planners. They stay up late figuring things out and watching hours and hours of game film
Do you think Bradley is this type of coach? I hope he is. But that's not the perception. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think a player's coach, go run your head through a wall, type coach is gonna be successfull in this league anymore. You need a cerebral coach now-a-days.
I hope that's what Bradley is. I have my concerns.
Quote:so what coach do you believe could take a team full of rookies and second year players and do better? I seriously doubt there is any...
The owner said in London they are about where they thought they would be at this time...The games we should have won but lost due to dumb rookie mistakes would have put them right where we were last year...Khan is fine with where we are, he said so in the London videos and he believes we are on the right track...He knows 2 drafts are not enough to be where we all want to be, so why is it so hard for others to figure that out too?
Again, you're talking about talent acquisition. This thread is about coaching...
Quote:LOL, I love it when a poster attacks another poster with this type of logic. You have no answers for my critiques so you attack me as a poster. Just admit you have no response for it... It would be the more mature thing to do.
Look, we all hope Bradley is gonna be a good coach. But when you look at the really good coaches in this league and the really good teams, they have coaches that are constantly scheming and game planning.
Your Andy Reids, Belecheats, Chip Kelley's, Marvin Lewis, John Fox, Jeff Fishers, Jim Harbaughs, Sean Peytons. These guys aren't "rah rah" type coaches. They are game planners. They stay up late figuring things out and watching hours and hours of game film
Do you think Bradley is this type of coach? I hope he is. But that's not the perception. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think a player's coach, go run your head through a wall, type coach is gonna be successfull in this league anymore. You need a cerebral coach now-a-days.
I hope that's what Bradley is. I have my concerns.
I have answered you in many different ways...there's no other way to say that having a team full of rookies and second year players is a near impossible task of making a coach look good by stringing along a bunch of wins...There is no other answer...it's really THAT simple...None of those coaches you have named would make this team any better with the sheer youth and inexperience of this team...The owner is fine with where we are right now so why can't fans be? You think the owner wants to win less than the fans do? Geezzzz you can't tear a team down to the very bottom and rebuild it with junior and seniors just out of college in 2 years and compete with established teams...There is no other way to explain it and you can't grasp that...You talk as if you are so much more knowledgeable and smarter than the self made billionaire businessman and men who have worked in coaching every day of their adult life
Quote:Again, you're talking about talent acquisition. This thread is about coaching...
the two are tied together
Quote:Again, you're talking about talent acquisition. This thread is about coaching...
what coach do you think can take this team full of rookies and second year players and do better?
Quote:I have answered you in many different ways...there's no other way to say that having a team full of rookies and second year players is a near impossible task of making a coach look good by stringing along a bunch of wins...There is no other answer...it's really THAT simple...None of those coaches you have named would make this team any better with the sheer youth and inexperience of this team...The owner is fine with where we are right now so why can't fans be? You think the owner wants to win less than the fans do? Geezzzz you can't tear a team down to the very bottom and rebuild it with junior and seniors just out of college in 2 years and compete with established teams...There is no other way to explain it and you can't grasp that...You talk as if you are so much more knowledgeable and smarter than the self made billionaire businessman and men who have worked in coaching every day of their adult life
You just mentioned there is improvement. Now there is not enough improvement? You're talking out of 2 sides of your mouth. When it comes to the record and success, we have rookies and no coach could be successfull.
When a poster critiques the team and the coaches you attack the poster for not being able to see the improvement.
You sir, cannot have it both ways. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth and are being a walking contradiction.
Also, any of the coaches I mentioned could very well have this team playing much better and have more wins than we see now. You can't prove that one way or the other. But something I do know is that a team like this doesn't need a rah rah coach, it needs a coach that can figure out how best to use all the talent on the team.
Quote:the two are tied together
They are tied together. But they are not the same thing.
One is talent acquisition. The other is coaching. 2 separate things. That's why we have 1 head coach and 1 general manager. If you can't figure that out, we should probably just stop this conversation.
Quote:what coach do you think can take this team full of rookies and second year players and do better?
Any of the coaches I mentioned in my earlier thread. Reid, Kelley, Harbaugh, etc...
Oh, and Bruce Arians is a rah rah coach. He's having success with a veteran AZ team with TONS of talent.
Maybe in 3 or 4 years a player's coach type person would be good for this team. But right now, we need an X's and O's type coach.
Quote:You just mentioned there is improvement. Now there is not enough improvement? You're talking out of 2 sides of your mouth. When it comes to the record and success, we have rookies and no coach could be successfull.
When a poster critiques the team and the coaches you attack the poster for not being able to see the improvement.
You sir, cannot have it both ways. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth and are being a walking contradiction.
Also, any of the coaches I mentioned could very well have this team playing much better and have more wins than we see now. You can't prove that one way or the other. But something I do know is that a team like this doesn't need a rah rah coach, it needs a coach that can figure out how best to use all the talent on the team.
Well I guess the question would be not enough improvement for what?
I said the owner is fine with where we are, that's pretty much right on par with everything Ive been saying...I said no other coach would be successful as in making a winning record which goes back to saying the jags said they are just about right where they thought they would be...so I am not talking out of both sides of my mouth...don't try and spin what I say...we are improved, the owner said we are just about where they thought we would be right now, we need more experience to get better...just because there is improvement doesn't mean we are where we want to be yet
Quote:They are tied together. But they are not the same thing.
One is talent acquisition. The other is coaching. 2 separate things. That's why we have 1 head coach and 1 general manager. If you can't figure that out, we should probably just stop this conversation.
so the talent level the kids gets here with is where he stays and coaching has nothing to do with increasing the talent of the players? see they are tied together as coaching should increase the talent each player has, which increases the talent level as a whole...some get better some don't
Quote:Well I guess the question would be not enough improvement for what?
I said the owner is fine with where we are, that's pretty much right on par with everything Ive been saying...I said no other coach would be successful as in making a winning record which goes back to saying the jags said they are just about right where they thought they would be...so I am not talking out of both sides of my mouth...don't try and spin what I say...we are improved, the owner said we are just about where they thought we would be right now, we need more experience to get better...just because there is improvement doesn't mean we are where we want to be yet
OK. I just look at the improvement being more on the personel side and not on the coaching side. I see the improvement because the players are better than last year--Not because the coaches are putting in superior game plans or making great adjustments at half time or burning the midnight oil breaking down game film to figure out what the best strategy for this team would be...
As for the franchise PR being that we are right on schedule, well that's great. But to be honest, that's just PR talk. We really don't know what they are refering to. It's quite possible that Khan is looking at it from a personel stand point as well and happy with what Caldwell is doing. That doesn't give Bradley a pass, though.
Also, I'm not trying to come of like I know anything. I honestly don't. These are just my opinions, and they very well could be wrong. I actually hope I am wrong. I want Bradley to succeed. He seems like a good dude. But I think he needs major help. I think he needs to bring in more experienced NFL coordinators to help him learn what it takes to be successfull. We need a scheming X's and O's type OC. Our special teams coordinator needs to be let go as well.
I just want us to be a winner as well. I'm just worried that in today's NFL, if you don't have a high football IQ coaching staff, you're in trouble.
Quote:Any of the coaches I mentioned in my earlier thread. Reid, Kelley, Harbaugh, etc...
Oh, and Bruce Arians is a rah rah coach. He's having success with a veteran AZ team with TONS of talent.
Maybe in 3 or 4 years a player's coach type person would be good for this team. But right now, we need an X's and O's type coach.
Reid has tons of talent in Philly but never made the big one...I don't think any coach would be better off...the two coaches you mentioned here have well established teams, not a team in the second year of a complete teardown and rebuild
Quote:so the talent level the kids gets here with is where he stays and coaching has nothing to do with increasing the talent of the players? see they are tied together as coaching should increase the talent each player has, which increases the talent level as a whole...some get better some don't
Are you seeing alot of increased talent from Gratz and Cyp? Shoelace has made some major strides... He's the only 2nd year player I can think of that has gotten better...
Bowanko and Linder are rookies that are upgrades. Same with Hurns and AR15. But I think they haven't gotten better because of our coaching.
Of couse, we're not at any of the practices to tell the difference in terms of whats going on. I'm honestly just asking. If we had a better coaching staff, do you think we'd have seen some more of our 2nd year players taking larger leaps of progress?
Quote:Reid has tons of talent in Philly but never made the big one...I don't think any coach would be better off...the two coaches you mentioned here have well established teams, not a team in the second year of a complete teardown and rebuild
Jeff Fisher has a pretty young team... He just whooped Manning and the Broncos.
We're nitpicking here, I guess. Besides, it's all hypothetical. You are gonna tear down any coach I mention to defend your position. So this is an exercise in futility. It's my opinion that we should see some increased play after the bye week. I would assume you agree.
Quote:what coach do you think can take this team full of rookies and second year players and do better?
Do better than 1-9??? Probably a lot... Harbaughs, Reid, Belicheck, Payton, Kelly, McCarthy...
A better question would be what coach couldn't take this team to 1-9? Sure seems like anyone could to that....
Quote:OK. I just look at the improvement being more on the personel side and not on the coaching side. I see the improvement because the players are better than last year--Not because the coaches are putting in superior game plans or making great adjustments at half time or burning the midnight oil breaking down game film to figure out what the best strategy for this team would be...
As for the franchise PR being that we are right on schedule, well that's great. But to be honest, that's just PR talk.
We really don't know what they are refering to. It's quite possible that Khan is looking at it from a personel stand point as well and happy with what Caldwell is doing. That doesn't give Bradley a pass, though.
Also, I'm not trying to come of like I know anything. I honestly don't. These are just my opinions, and they very well could be wrong. I actually hope I am wrong. I want Bradley to succeed. He seems like a good dude. But I think he needs major help. I think he needs to bring in more experienced NFL coordinators to help him learn what it takes to be successfull. We need a scheming X's and O's type OC. Our special teams coordinator needs to be let go as well.
I just want us to be a winner as well. I'm just worried that in today's NFL, if you don't have a high football IQ coaching staff, you're in trouble.
I really don't get the impression that Khan is much into just PR talk...he has said certain things about certain things, calling them unacceptable and people must be held accountable, but I don't believe he just blows smoke and hide what he really feels
I think changing the coaching staff now would be a set back...the players seem to just be getting to understand and play the OC scheme...They are running the ball better ( not necessarily GOOD, but better), they are blocking better,...as the players start being able to actually understand the scheme, the playbook can open up...
If we change the OC, a new scheme will be introduced and players will have to learn that one now...Switching coordinators and schemes every couple years isn't good
Quote:Do not forget about they beat us up and take our money Bradley is giving us a high five.
Yeah, I don't like that either.
C'MON Gus,teach us the best way to fight back when they are taking our lunch money.
I don't want a high 5, I WANT MY LUNCH MONEY BACK or I WANT THEM TO KNOW I WILL FIGHT FOR IT EVERY TIME THEY TRY TO TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the 2.