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I have yet to here ONE solid reason why he is a good headcoach.  I have provided a couple already on why he sucks

Quote:I have yet to here ONE solid reason why he is a good headcoach.  I have provided a couple already on why he sucks

 

Hey, don't act like your opinion matters.

 

Apparently Shad Khan has a different opinion.

Quote:He's the guy for now.

I AGREE... UNTIL WE HAVE DEVELOPED THE TALENT TO COMPETE.. THEN WE NEED A REAL THINKER.

Quote:You have your opinion of him, I have mine....makes sense to me. Instead of reiterating my statements into questions, feel free to break down why you think he is the guy.

The fact that he was able to win 4 games with a completely gutted roster AND having Gabbert and Henne as his starting QBs was a miracle within itself. The fact that they only have 1 win but his players still want to run through a wall for him shows me that he's a leader of men. I get it that you want to discount everything he's done because your butthurt about the lack of wins this year. To totally dismiss everything he's done in the NFL to this point is just the coping mechanism you need to dislike him.

Quote:Hey, don't act like your opinion matters.

 

Apparently Shad Khan has a different opinion.

lol and your opinion matters?

Quote:I have yet to here ONE solid reason why he is a good headcoach.  I have provided a couple already on why he sucks

Nobody has to convince YOU of anything.  Pump the brakes on that ego.

Quote:lol and your opinion matters?

Fan opinion on either side is completely irrelevant.  Are you finally starting to figure that out?

Quote:Fan opinion on either side is completely irrelevant.  Are you finally starting to figure that out?

Finally starting to figure it out? Yea Dad... Thanks!

 

I think everyone already knew that.... But some people act like others can't have an opinion of their own that might be different than the teams.

 

Isn't the point of this message board to discuss and argue on different topics?

Quote:Finally starting to figure it out? Yea Dad... Thanks!

 

I think everyone already knew that.... But some people act like others can't have an opinion of their own that might be different than the teams.

 

Isn't the point of this message board to discuss and argue on different topics?

You're certainly entitled to have an opinion.  As long as you understand it's pretty much irrelevant, and will have no bearing on what the team does, that's fine.  Feel free to blather on all you wish.  Doesn't change a thing.

Quote:I have yet to here ONE solid reason why he is a good headcoach.

 

The only thing that comes to mind is the fact that he has the players on his side.  

 

When you see interviews with vets like Bryant, Marks, Clemons, Ball, Lewis and others who have been around long enough to be jaded - yet  they are still echoing the coach's messages and mantra after this many losses - it means they believe in it.  

 

He's got work to do - but he at least has the team bought in - and that's more than can be said for plenty of coaches with this type of W/L record. 

Quote:I always love it when simpletons like you throw out the "excuses" label. 

 

I have yet to hear Gus make a single excuse. 

 

I don't consider FACTS to be excuses, but I understand that FACTS tend to confuse the likes of you, so you have to label them as something, and excuses is the best you can come up with. 

 

The truth is, FACTS indicate that the 5-21 record, as painful as it has been from the perspective of fans, is the end result of years of bad drafting and personnel decisions that had to be undone.  It's the result of a complete change of philosophy where the team is building almost exclusively through the draft for the first 2 seasons under the current regime. 

 

It is a FACT that this is one of the youngest rosters in the league as a result of the purge of garbage that was done over the past 2 years, and that we are putting the young players on the field in order to allow them to develop as players so that when we hit year 3, we'll know EXACTLY where this team stands in their rebuilding process.

 

It's not the fault of the front office, the coaching staff, or the owner that some of their fans are so incredibly thick headed and incapable of understanding that it takes time to build the team using the approach they've chosen.

 

Nobody here is saying Gus is the savior as the head coach.  You're just not capable of understanding the point that the jury is still out despite the record, and it's FACTS, not excuses that have determined the current record he has as a head coach. 

 

The facts can not be argued with only opinions or how a person tries to use the facts in an arguement.  The fact is Gus Bradley did not win a single game until week 10 of last season against the Titans.  The team lost the following week to the Cardinals, and then swept the worst team the Texans & beat the Browns for four wins at a point in the season when none of those teams had much of a fight to win other than the sake of winning.  Most of those wins were close games at that.  The team had a bad roster.

We as fans understood that, and realized it wouldnt all get fixed with one more draft.  We did however expect to see improvement off of last seasons ending success.

Instead we saw a lot of players regress which has to make you wonder about the coaching.

This season the only win in week 7 was yet again against the Browns.  (Thankfully we played them back to back seasons for the easy win).

The Jaguars still have to play the texans twice and the titans once more so they could possibly repeat last years 4 wins. 

The Fact is Gus Bradley after almost two years as a head coach is currently .192% a winner, or he has less than a quater of a chance to win (23% of each game he coaches).

 

That has to improve in his third year or he will most likely be terminated as a head coach.

 

We have heard nothing but positive things about Gus Bradley as a person, and as a coach in the off season.  The poor performance in the field may be a direct result of a young roster combined with a few veterans to fill in the blanks until another draft.

Most analyst would say that the Jaguars are on the right track.  That they drafted well, and seem to be coaching the players up.  If going into next season we see the same result, then I think its time to panic but can we at least finish this season

without reading all these fire Gus or Dave threads?

Quote:The fact that he was able to win 4 games with a completely gutted roster AND having Gabbert and Henne as his starting QBs was a miracle within itself. The fact that they only have 1 win but his players still want to run through a wall for him shows me that he's a leader of men. I get it that you want to discount everything he's done because your butthurt about the lack of wins this year. To totally dismiss everything he's done in the NFL to this point is just the coping mechanism you need to dislike him.

 

Do you even know Gus Bradley's track record, or have you just bought into his emotional personality? I'm pretty sure Bradley being taken under Monte Kiffin's wing had something to do with him retaining his job on Carroll's staff....btw, I can't wait to hear you say "So, you're telling me you know for sure that Kiffin was the reason Caroll kept Bradley on his staff?" You realize that Pete Carroll is an established defensive coach and from the Monte Kiffin coaching tree.  Bradley was in Seattle before Caroll got there, and the defense was not so great, I'll give you that he was only there a year but Pete Caroll steadily improved their defense year by year, but yet you want to give credit of the scheme to Bradley? Lol.

 

Seahawks haven't been that great this year, but are still 9th in total defense.  Jaguars are 30th (Don't give me the injuries and rookies excuse either).  Bradley was able to get a HC position by living off of a great HC.

Quote:You're certainly entitled to have an opinion.  As long as you understand it's pretty much irrelevant, and will have no bearing on what the team does, that's fine.  Feel free to blather on all you wish.  Doesn't change a thing.

And you don't blather? Got it... Everyone else blathers and you don't.

Quote:Do you even know Gus Bradley's track record, or have you just bought into his emotional personality? I'm pretty sure Bradley being taken under Monte Kiffin's wing had something to do with him retaining his job on Carroll's staff....btw, I can't wait to hear you say "So, you're telling me you know for sure that Kiffin was the reason Caroll kept Bradley on his staff?" You realize that Pete Carroll is an established defensive coach and from the Monte Kiffin coaching tree. Bradley was in Seattle before Caroll got there, and the defense was not so great, I'll give you that he was only there a year but Pete Caroll steadily improved their defense year by year, but yet you want to give credit of the scheme to Bradley? Lol.


Seahawks haven't been that great this year, but are still 9th in total defense. Jaguars are 30th (Don't give me the injuries and rookies excuse either). Bradley was able to get a HC position by living off of a great HC.

So in a nutshell you're saying that GB reached the highest point in his profession because of who he worked for? Did the same thing apply to your profession? Are your critics saying "well jg77 only got to be where he is because he worked under Joe Schmo for x amount of years." Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I haven't bought into him emotionally, I've never met the man. I do know that sacking a first time HC 2 years into a complete rebuild is utter folly and the kind of crap that insures that a losing team will keep on losing.

Quote:So in a nutshell you're saying that GB reached the highest point in his profession because of who he worked for? Did the same thing apply to your profession? Are your critics saying "well jg77 only got to be where he is because he worked under Joe Schmo for x amount of years." Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I haven't bought into him emotionally, I've never met the man. I do know that sacking a first time HC 2 years into a complete rebuild is utter folly and the kind of crap that insures that a losing team will keep on losing.

 

Actually...happens all the time, so definitely not ridiculous.  And I'm pretty sure we only gave Mularkey one year.  Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, so I'll leave it at that.

I am going to say he hasn't proven he *isn't* the guy and since we're relatively early into such a major rebuild the jury should remain out. With that said, yeah I think he is the guy but I wish he'd done what TC did in the early days and hired experienced NFL coaches in the coordinator spots.

Quote:Actually...happens all the time, so definitely not ridiculous. And I'm pretty sure we only gave Mularkey one year. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, so I'll leave it at that.

Believe me if we're sitting multiple games under .500 next year at this point, I'll be right there with you on getting rid of him. This season really hasn't been much of a surprise to me because I knew how young the roster is. It's make or break for Gus next season and he knows it. I just trust the guy who came to this country a penniless student and built a billion dollar business from scratch. I have a feeling that guy will know the perfect time to cut ties with him. :-)

I want to touch on a few things.

 

1. I know in the grand scheme of things I nor your opinion matters on this topic.  What matters is the casual fan.  The hardcore will buy whatever turd you lay on the field.  The casual fan makes up the majority.  History has shown that losing effects ticket sales.  The fans are buying in now but if this product keeps stinking the casual fan will not want to buy tickets.  It's one thing to earn fans because that what khan has done with selling this to new fans  It's a whole different thing to keep them. 

 

2. On Gus Bradley's past.  Some guys go on to have great NFL careers as assistant coaches.  I am thinking this maybe the case with Bradley.  Some guys just are better focusing on one aspect instead of the whole picture.  The only success I know he has had was coaching an extremely talented Seattle defense.  I have not seen any evidence that he is NFL head coach material.  I have seen plenty of coaching mistakes and bad game plans.  I have yet to watch a Jaguar game and said Wow what a coaching job since Bradley has taken over.  You are what your record says you are.  5-21 is atrocious. 

 

3. Of course players are going to buy into his philosophy.  He is a players coach.  Del Rio was not a good head coach but many players bought into his philosophy.  Del Rio is having better success as a D. Coordinator.  I expect this is what will happen to Bradley.  Demote him to D. Coordinator and find a replacement.

Quote:And you don't blather? Got it... Everyone else blathers and you don't.

Just you.

Quote:Believe me if we're sitting multiple games under .500 next year at this point, I'll be right there with you on getting rid of him. This season really hasn't been much of a surprise to me because I knew how young the roster is. It's make or break for Gus next season and he knows it. I just trust the guy who came to this country a penniless student and built a billion dollar business from scratch. I have a feeling that guy will know the perfect time to cut ties with him. :-)

 

We just need to have faith in our owner.  All of us are banking on his business acumen translating to NFL ownership.  If Khan realizes he made a mistake in the Bradley hire, then hopefully he won't be too proud to admit that mistake and correct it.  Same with the Caldwell hire.

 

He can't enjoy being 7-35 as an owner.