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Quote:He's the guy until it's Proven that he has not what it takes to be the guy. An article that I recently read stated that Mr. Khan and Coach Bradley's expectations must be met to be a Jaguar. Mr. Khan believes in Bradley and we the fans will not sway his beliefs. In given time, coach Bradley will prove his worth...


Just Sayn...


NH3...

How can anybody take your posts seriously after you wanted Geno Smith on this team?

Here's a better question.

Who else?

 

If we end the Gus experiment 2 years in....

who do we replace him with?

Rex Ryan? His brother?

Todd Bowles?

 

maybe one of these guys will be a great HC...

but then they have to bring "their" guys...

and all of our young players will have to learn a new system... one in which they may not be built for (Caldwell drafts will Gus' system in mind I am sure)

So we start all over again... and in a season and a half you looney toons will want his head to roll when our young players don't win a lot of games again.

 

Rinse. Repeat.

Quote:Here's a better question.

Who else?

 

If we end the Gus experiment 2 years in....

who do we replace him with?

Rex Ryan? His brother?

Todd Bowles?

 

maybe one of these guys will be a great HC...

but then they have to bring "their" guys...

and all of our young players will have to learn a new system... one in which they may not be built for (Caldwell drafts will Gus' system in mind I am sure)

So we start all over again... and in a season and a half you looney toons will want his head to roll when our young players don't win a lot of games again.

 

Rinse. Repeat.

If he goes 1-15.... We should absolutely see who's out there. You can definitely upgrade the HC on this team.

Quote:The thread is about coaching yet all people bring up is the "young" roster. He has zero statement wins, zero great coaching moves and plenty of bad coaching decisions.


Hopefully we go 3-3 down the stretch and we start seeing this "improvement" actually translate into wins. Until they do translate into wins, Bradley won't be considered a good coach in my book. Coaches will always be judged by wins.

You're right about coaches ultimately being judged by wins. Just like QBs are but there are many things that go into winning besides coaching. For example, most people on here would agree that Belichick and Pete Carroll are good coaches but if you replaced their current rosters with the tack's roster or our roster, they'd struggle to win games. Doesn't mean they became bad coaches suddenly. I think that Bradley might be something like that. He just doesn't have the raw materials to prove it yet.


I just hope Shad and Caldwell stay patient. Would hate to see him let go prematurely and then go on to win the Superbowl like TC did.

Quote:You're right about coaches ultimately being judged by wins. Just like QBs are but there are many things that go into winning besides coaching. For example, most people on here would agree that Belichick and Pete Carroll are good coaches but if you replaced their current rosters with the tack's roster or our roster, they'd struggle to win games. Doesn't mean they became bad coaches suddenly. I think that Bradley might be something like that. He just doesn't have the raw materials to prove it yet.


I just hope Shad and Caldwell stay patient. Would hate to see him let go prematurely and then go on to win the Superbowl like TC did.

But here's the question... What makes you think Bradley is like those guys? Just based off of a gut feeling? Because it certainly can not be the play on the field.

 

I do think a coach like Belicheck or Harbaugh would have this team at 4-6. Bengals, Titans and Steelers were all very winnable games and the difference in close games is coaching.

 

Look at the Lions. For years they would blow close games because Schwartz was an indiot. Now you bring in Caldwell and they are 7-3. Obviously they have a ton of talent but they always had talent to be "close" but they needed a better coach to get over that hump.

Quote:But here's the question... What makes you think Bradley is like those guys? Just based off of a gut feeling? Because it certainly can not be the play on the field.

It's just an opinion at this point. He has to prove it as you mentioned. As the roster strength increases and the youth of the team gains experience he better start producing wins next season or he will be gone.

Quote:If he goes 1-15.... We should absolutely see who's out there. You can definitely upgrade the HC on this team.

With WHOM?

 

And by "upgrading" the coach, will the talent on the field automatically be upgraded as well?

Will Bortles throw fewer INTs with a different coach and offensive system?

Will our Oline block better?

 

Will the secondary make more plays?

 

Do you have any answers or do you just want to spin the wheels some more?

Quote:With WHOM?

 

And by "upgrading" the coach, will the talent on the field automatically be upgraded as well?

Will Bortles throw fewer INTs with a different coach and offensive system?

Will our Oline block better?

 

Will the secondary make more plays?

 

Do you have any answers or do you just want to spin the wheels some more?

hahah I do have answers so here ya go...

 

I don't know which coaches will be available but if we go 1-15... we should take a look.

 

Yes. Upgrading coaches can upgrade the players they have. Isn't that their job? Chiefs went from 1-15 to 11-5... Players had talent but they got better with Reid. I know we have rookies but good coaches get the most out of their players.

 

Maybe Bortles will throw less interception with a new scheme or coach. How do you know he won't?

 

Yes... Our Oline could block better if we had a different scheme or a different Oline coach.

 

Yes... The secondary could make more plays with better coaching.

 

Take some deep breaths my friend. Never said to fire Bradley... Just said if he goes 1-15 they should LOOK and see who's out there.

Quote:hahah I do have answers so here ya go...

 

I don't know which coaches will be available but if we go 1-15... we should take a look.

 

Yes. Upgrading coaches can upgrade the players they have. Isn't that their job? Chiefs went from 1-15 to 11-5... Players had talent but they got better with Reid. I know we have rookies but good coaches get the most out of their players.

 

Maybe Bortles will throw less interception with a new scheme or coach. How do you know he won't?

 

Yes... Our Oline could block better if we had a different scheme or a different Oline coach.

 

Yes... The secondary could make more plays with better coaching.

 

Take some deep breaths my friend. Never said to fire Bradley... Just said if he goes 1-15 they should LOOK and see who's out there.

And I don't think it will help our young roster by shifting schemes and coaches again.

Chiefs didn't have JUST a change at coach.

They got Alex Smith who was a better QB than Cassel and (whoever else) combined.

 

They had a lot of years picking top 10 draft picks to stack their team with a lot of talent.

Reid didn't add 14 wins. 

 

And there is no guarantee that changing coaches will help anymore than guaranteeing keeping the same one will help.

However, track records of Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa, and Washington shows that changing coaches and staff every other season, or every season, is a recipe for disaster.

Quote:And I don't think it will help our young roster by shifting schemes and coaches again.

Chiefs didn't have JUST a change at coach.

They got Alex Smith who was a better QB than Cassel and (whoever else) combined.

 

They had a lot of years picking top 10 draft picks to stack their team with a lot of talent.

Reid didn't add 14 wins. 

 

And there is no guarantee that changing coaches will help anymore than guaranteeing keeping the same one will help.

However, track records of Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa, and Washington shows that changing coaches and staff every other season, or every season, is a recipe for disaster.

You don't think Tampa Bay upgraded with Lovie over Schiano? That Cleveland upgraded? 

 

If Bradley goes 1-15... You honestly think we shouldn't atleast look? What if the 49ers release Harbaugh? or Coughlin? 

 

I absolutely think that the Head Coach can be upgraded as of right now. If he does a better job of coaching and actually wins some games in the last 6, he could show the fans and organization he's got what it takes.

 

Every single game (outside of maybe the Colts and Ravens) are very winnable.

Quote:You don't think Tampa Bay upgraded with Lovie over Schiano? That Cleveland upgraded? 

 

If Bradley goes 1-15... You honestly think we shouldn't atleast look? What if the 49ers release Harbaugh? or Coughlin? 

 

I absolutely think that the Head Coach can be upgraded as of right now. If he does a better job of coaching and actually wins some games in the last 6, he could show the fans and organization he's got what it takes.

 

Every single game (outside of maybe the Colts and Ravens) are very winnable.

I don't think we should even think about changing coaching staff (Bradley, Fisch, any of them) until after next season.

Tampa finished with 4 wins last season.

They have 2 this season. Should they fire Lovie if he doesn't eclipse 4?

Lovie brought in McCown, then benched him, then brought him back in...

 

I'm not saying Lovie won't be a better coach than Schiano. But Schiano was kind of a douche'. He did more than just lose, he was a poor coach. The team believes in Bradley. Caldwell has just started setting pieces in place. Our team is a lot of year 1 and 2 players.

Schiano, with more talent, might have been able to do more. He had Freeman and Glennon, he didn't have Evans and he lost Muscle Hamster to an injury.

 

What are we going to look into? Are we going to look into a crystal ball to replace Bradley with a coach that brings with him talent and a scheme and plan that a bunch of year 1, 2, and 3 players are going to excel and launch this franchise into the post season?

 

Get a grip man. Give Bradley some time. If the next season is as dismal is this one, I think plenty of people, including Khan, would have something to gripe about.

Quote:I don't think we should even think about changing coaching staff (Bradley, Fisch, any of them) until after next season.

Tampa finished with 4 wins last season.

They have 2 this season. Should they fire Lovie if he doesn't eclipse 4?

Lovie brought in McCown, then benched him, then brought him back in...

 

I'm not saying Lovie won't be a better coach than Schiano. But Schiano was kind of a [BAD WORD REMOVED]'. He did more than just lose, he was a poor coach. The team believes in Bradley. Caldwell has just started setting pieces in place. Our team is a lot of year 1 and 2 players.

Schiano, with more talent, might have been able to do more. He had Freeman and Glennon, he didn't have Evans and he lost Muscle Hamster to an injury.

 

What are we going to look into? Are we going to look into a crystal ball to replace Bradley with a coach that brings with him talent and a scheme and plan that a bunch of year 1, 2, and 3 players are going to excel and launch this franchise into the post season?

 

Get a grip man. Give Bradley some time. If the next season is as dismal is this one, I think plenty of people, including Khan, would have something to gripe about.

Get a grip?

 

You're the one claiming he gets the entire year next year. Bradley starts 1-8 next year and you think he deserves to stay the head coach of this team? 

 

He goes 1-15 this year and you think he should 100% come back next year?

Well.....Bradley is "a" guy....

Quote:But here's the question... What makes you think Bradley is like those guys? Just based off of a gut feeling? Because it certainly can not be the play on the field.

 

I do think a coach like Belicheck or Harbaugh would have this team at 4-6. Bengals, Titans and Steelers were all very winnable games and the difference in close games is coaching.


 

Look at the Lions. For years they would blow close games because Schwartz was an indiot. Now you bring in Caldwell and they are 7-3. Obviously they have a ton of talent but they always had talent to be "close" but they needed a better coach to get over that hump.

not always...a pick 6 and a couple of interceptions deep in your own territory, oh and dropped punts inside your 10 yard line are not really attributed coaching...I have already said there were 2 or 3 games that we gave away and should have won, but those pesky rookie mistakes that no one wants to count for anything came creeping in and we didn't win...Like it or not...the rookie factor is the biggest reason we are where we are right now...I do scratch my head at some of the OC play calls sometimes and wonder what he's thinking, but in the end it all comes back to ya gotta do the best ya can with what ya got and what we got is a team full of first and second year players, undrafted agents and late round picks being the majority of the team or a good part of it...That's where the trouble is

Quote:not always...a pick 6 and a couple of interceptions deep in your own territory, oh and dropped punts inside your 10 yard line are not really attributed coaching...I have already said there were 2 or 3 games that we gave away and should have won, but those pesky rookie mistakes that no one wants to count for anything came creeping in and we didn't win...Like it or not...the rookie factor is the biggest reason we are where we are right now...I do scratch my head at some of the OC play calls sometimes and wonder what he's thinking, but in the end it all comes back to ya gotta do the best ya can with what ya got and what we got is a team full of first and second year players, undrafted agents and late round picks being the majority of the team or a good part of it...That's where the trouble is

So 1-9 is the best we can do?

Quote:So 1-9 is the best we can do?

 

lol, and the worst we can do is 0-10.

 

Not really much of a difference between our best and our worst is there?

Quote:Get a grip?

 

You're the one claiming he gets the entire year next year. Bradley starts 1-8 next year and you think he deserves to stay the head coach of this team? 

 

He goes 1-15 this year and you think he should 100% come back next year?

1-15 this year and yes, he should come back.

I'm not blind. I see this team for what it is. I don't think, realistically, we should expect anything more than what we've had.

 

Honestly there were games we should have, could have won, and Bortles lost em by throwing picks late.

It is something rookies do and that should not fall on Bradley.

 

This team is still growing. To make a change now would surely stunt that growth.

Your hate is misguided. You want change for the sake of change and it is silly.

 

AFTER next season if this squad isn't NEAR .500 I think the discussion could be STARTED about making a change. Anything sooner is knee-jerk, at best.

 

Especially since the options of "upgrading" are unknown as of now and still, to my point, don't guarantee different results.

Quote:1-15 this year and yes, he should come back.

I'm not blind. I see this team for what it is. I don't think, realistically, we should expect anything more than what we've had.

 

Honestly there were games we should have, could have won, and Bortles lost em by throwing picks late.

It is something rookies do and that should not fall on Bradley.

 

This team is still growing. To make a change now would surely stunt that growth.

Your hate is misguided. You want change for the sake of change and it is silly.

 

AFTER next season if this squad isn't NEAR .500 I think the discussion could be STARTED about making a change. Anything sooner is knee-jerk, at best.

 

Especially since the options of "upgrading" are unknown as of now and still, to my point, don't guarantee different results.

lol Hate? I don't anyone one this team. 

 

And its not change for the sake of change. So far... he has not demonstrated that he is a good coach. Period. You can blame it all on the young guys on this roster all you want but a really good coach does more with less. Look at Arians. They have lost numerous key players and yet they are still winning. Obviously we don't have as much talent as they do but still... he's doing more with less. Bradley is doing less with less. 1-9? Thats pathetic.

 

You would only start the discussion after next year? If we start 1-8 again next year, you think he still deserves to be the coach of this team? Even if its clear that what he's doing isn't working.

 

I guarantee you that if things continue going this route, he will not last very long. I've also never stated I want to fire him after this season. I merely said we should take a look at whats out there. If you're not looking to improve the staff after 1-15, you are doing a disservice to the players on this team.

Quote:lol Hate? I don't anyone one this team. 

 

And its not change for the sake of change. So far... he has not demonstrated that he is a good coach. Period. You can blame it all on the young guys on this roster all you want but a really good coach does more with less. Look at Arians. They have lost numerous key players and yet they are still winning. Obviously we don't have as much talent as they do but still... he's doing more with less. Bradley is doing less with less. 1-9? Thats pathetic.

 

You would only start the discussion after next year? If we start 1-8 again next year, you think he still deserves to be the coach of this team? Even if its clear that what he's doing isn't working.

 

I guarantee you that if things continue going this route, he will not last very long. I've also never stated I want to fire him after this season. I merely said we should take a look at whats out there. If you're not looking to improve the staff after 1-15, you are doing a disservice to the players on this team.

 

(I apologize in advance if my random thoughts offend anyone.)

 

 

I think it's just that some people like Gus, and they'll find excuses to keep him employed.

 

It's humorous to me that most of his supporters had much higher predictions of this season's record, like 5-11, 6-10, 7-9, 9-7 (nice call, Snowie)

Now that we are 1-9, many of those people are backtracking and saying this is what they expected, and it's not any fault of the coaching staff.

Others have doubled down, proclaiming that we could win out, which is entirely laughable.

 

Coughlin was very good for a time while he was our HC.

 

I was never a huge fan of JDR, but at least we were semi-respectable under him.  JDR's worst year (full year) out of 9 years yielded a 5-11 record (twice).  He seemed to get the most out of the talent he had, and had to deal with 1st round football legends like Byron Leftwich, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Reggie Nelson, Derrick Harvey, Tyson Alualu, and Blaine Gabbert.  Think about that.  In addition, I never heard him make excuses for the shortcomings of his team in his postgame interviews or on his JDR show.  I also appreciated the frankness of his "You get what you earn" mantra.  I'm not saying that JDR was a great coach, but there is no way this current team goes 4-12, 1-9 if he were still here.

 

Tom Coughlin went 24-24 (regular season record) in his first 3 seasons and made the playoffs twice with him basically as the HC/GM.

JDR went 26-22 (regular season record) in his first 3 seasons and made the playoffs once with Shack & Gene in his FO.

Bradley is 5-21 (regular season record) in his first 2 seasons so far with Caldwell.

 

Theoretically, Gus could have a 27-21 regular season record through 3 seasons, but he'd have to win out starting Sunday, then go 16-0 next year.  Highly unlikely.  Even if he gets lucky and somehow finishes this year at 4-12 and comes out next year at 8-8, he'd have a 16-32 record for his first 3 years.  Should that happen, I will admit that it would be worth keeping him around for another year, but does anyone think this is a realistic possibility?

Quote:Well FBT keeps talking about Facts so lets State the facts


Record: 1-9 Second worst in the league

Offense- 32nd in almost every major category

Defense- Aside from Sacks pretty medicore

2nd year players- Most of them look terrible. Joeckle and Cyprien suck so far


It will get better because it really can't get much worse. The fact is this team is failing not only from the lack of talent but the coaches not putting these young players in good position. We get out coached every week. Our coaches seem to sleep at halftime. While other coaches make adjustments we get our butts handed to us in the second half.

Joeckel has actually looked better every week. If anything Austin Pasztor is the weak link.


Cyprien has been inconsistent but that's more because Josh Evans is REALLY bad and Cyp keeps having to cover for him. For the most part Cyp has been great in run support and so-so in pass defense -- exactly what should have been expected from him since he was drafted. Also people complain about missed tackles but take the good with the bad -- his aggressiveness also gets him a lot of tackles that wouldn't have been made otherwise, hence why he topped 100 last year as a rookie. He's not Earl Thomas... But he's a rangy tackler who specializes in stopping the run before the blocking fully develops.


And did you forget McCray is a second year player? Dude played well against Antonio Brown and AJ Green, and when they finally put him on Bryant he stopped him from scoring his third TD. I am ecstatic about how McCray is playing. However Gratz doesn't seem talented enough to be a consistent starter despite being drafted higher.


Also, Denard Robinson is a 2nd year player and look at him. None of us thought he'd explode into a 100 yard rusher.


Gratz and Evans have been disappointing, I'll give you that but I don't think our 2013 class is as bad as you make it out to be.


Also pretty much every rookie that has gotten significant playing time this year looks good. If Marqise Lee breaks out at the end of this season and Aaron Colvin shows that he's come back nicely from his ACL injury you can go ahead and call this draft an A+ because all 7 of the other guys have already shown they were worthy draft picks.


I know were 1-9. But we're not losing due to lack of talent like last year. We're losing because of rookie mistakes and turnovers. That's a whole lot easier to fix and having more athletic splash playmakers throughout our roster helps us be more competitive in the long run. I'm not saying it will happen -- but it's not the talent/drafting that's to blame if we don't improve, it's all on the coaches now to bring the potential out of this team, focus in practice on eliminating the mistakes, and get everyone to play more cohesively together.