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Quote:That, and Gerhart is slow garbage who seems to seek the worst "hole" in the line to run through.

This comment won't help your Henne should be benched. How many time was toby hit behind the line of scrimmage! There few holes to seek but when he did get chance to have some running room he showed his ability to push for extra yards when he was met by linebackers and not stack monsters. bashing toby is unfair and you should be complaining about the oline that could not open running lanes.

Just a simple question:


Was anyone surprised by Henne's play? Was there anything there that we didn't expect from him having seen how he's played in previous years, with this team or elsewhere?

 

Because for me, that game was the very definition of what we got from Henne last year distilled into a single game. He is who we thought he was.


Given that, why on earth would Gus feel the need to make the move earlier than anticipated? You only do that if things aren't going as anticipated, and if you're going with Henne as your starter, you've got to anticipate days like yesterday.

Quote:Just a simple question:


Was anyone surprised by Henne's play? Was there anything there that we didn't expect from him having seen how he's played in previous years, with this team or elsewhere?


Because for me, that game was the very definition of what we got from Henne last year distilled into a single game. He is who we thought he was.


Given that, why on earth would Gus feel the need to make the move earlier than anticipated? You only do that if things aren't going as anticipated, and if you're going with Henne as your starter, you've got to anticipate days like yesterday.

So if you anticipate losing, dont make a change. Got it. Losing is acceptable now.

Henne has always had flashes of being a starter but you can't miss a wide open tight end in the flat on a fourth and one play! He had no pressure and  Gus was trying to get the defense a breather. The play call was perfect the QB execution was horrid. Theses are the type of plays that kills wins. I didn't think the o-line did a bad job on pass persecution as a whole but failed terrible on opening running lanes. That said I don't think, the we have to wait for the O-line to jell to prevent Blake being at the mercy of defenses is a valid  augment. You have to score more then twenty points to win most games in the NFL and thats just not been the case in most games quarterbacked by Henne. I think cip was the main reason for the collapse in the defense in the second haft and it does not bode well next week if he is held out for injury reasons. Mr. Khan you spent a lot of money for the fans game day experience and if we have a poor showing on offense next week you need to instruct the coaching staff that a QB change be made for opening day. All the pools in the world will not negate the fans dissatisfaction with keeping the best quarterback on the bench. We can accept losing with the quarterback of the future while he gets experience he can only get starting but not losing with the quarterback of the past.

I'm curious where these wolves Bortles would be thrown to are.


The OL was a question of not starting Bortles. I get that, but statue Henne was touched what, 5 times? And we were worried Bortles would be murdered back there? Come on.


What's our next excuse for keeping Henne in?

Quote:The way I look at it is this.

 

Henne gives us no hope. I didn't feel confident at any point yesterday, even with a 17 point lead. That's just sad.

 

I have heard the reasons given for why Henne is playing. I just don't agree with them.

 

Some on here seem to act as if Caldwell and Bradley are infallible and that it's the right move simply because they made it.

 

I don't blame fans for getting upset. I wouldn't blame someone for not buying tickets to watch Henne play. With Henne, it's just some extension of preseason and not really putting the best players on the field.

 

It's frustrating.

Finally somebody else gets it. You don't have to agree with the staff to be a fan of the team. They're wasting time with Henne starting. The reasons they use for sitting Bortles are moot because of how we all saw him play in the preseason.

Quote:Bortles needs to start next week. He just has to.

I knew that the team would lose to the Eagles and I know you arent going to want to hear this but I figured even if Bortles had started it probably wouldve been a loss.  I mean the first game of the season on the road in philly against one of the best Offenses in the NFL right now (with our defense still trying to gel together)....

 

I am sticking by week 3.  I also knew that Chad Henne not performing stellar against one of the NFL's worst Pass Defense's wouldnt sit right with Gus either... but to my suprise Chad didnt do that bad, heck if it wasnt for the collapse of the 2nd half these posts would all be about how Gus was right to keep Chad in as the starter...


Keep calm people its was only week 1 we got a long season to go... ..

Sooo...maybe start Henne next week and put Bortles in for the 2nd half.

Problem solved. :yes:

Eagles roll over Jags with second-half shutout

is the big bold text on NFL.com when you click on the score....

 

sigh I wonder what it couldve said if the team had played the way they did in the 1st half into the 2nd....

Quote:Eagles roll over Jags with second-half shutout

is the big bold text on NFL.com when you click on the score....

 

sigh I wonder what it couldve said if the team had played the way they did in the 1st half into the 2nd....

Considering where the team started out last year, and the improvement they made as the season progressed in 2013, we're in a better place.  Complete games will come, and sooner than anyone expects coming off this loss.  There were good signs that came from this game. 

Since the dead horse is tired of getting kicked, I will move on...

 

The coaching blunder Gus made not calling time out on the 4th and 1 TD when the defense was in disarray can't be overlooked in my opinion. This is the turning point that sucked the wind out of the Jags sails IMO.

Quote:Since the dead horse is tired of getting kicked, I will move on...

 

The coaching blunder Gus made not calling time out on the 4th and 1 TD when the defense was in disarray can't be overlooked in my opinion. This is the turning point that sucked the wind out of the Jags sails IMO.

Wait.  I thought it was all on Henne?

 

Coaching contributed to this loss as well.  Sort of sounds like this might have been a team loss after all. 

 

Fisch was slow to get plays called, especially in the 2nd half, forcing us to burn timeouts unnecessarily.  Gus should have called a timeout on that play when the line was slow to get set, but he didn't, and I'm not even sure if he would have had adequate time to do so based on how quickly Philly got to the line.  Knowing the pace they use in games, they should have been better prepared to get to the line and get set.  It's not like Philly's quick pace on offense is a mystery. 

Quote:So if you anticipate losing, dont make a change. Got it. Losing is acceptable now.

 

Literacy is a real problem around here, isn't it? As is stunningly simplistic and black-and-white thinking.

 

Whether you agree with the decision to start Henne over Bortles or not, last night's performance changes nothing. The coaching staff knew as well as anyone here (probably better) what Henne is, and what his issues are. They chose to start him knowing that, so having a demonstration of it shouldn't change the plan. When you choose to start Henne, you choose to have Henne performances like we saw last night. They've clearly decided that's worth doing, so the result of last night doesn't change a thing. Again, whether you agree with their initial call or not.

 

As for the 'starting Henne indicates that losing is acceptable' mantra, that's typical fan short-termism. The coaching staff isn't concerned about winning every last game possible right now; they're concerned with building a winning team for the long term. Again, whether you personally choose to agree with this or not (and frankly your opinion, my opinion, and the opinions of many many other fans are utterly irrelevant in the big picture) they seem to have the belief that sitting and developing Bortles for some or all of this season is either going to get him to the peak of his skills quicker or make that peak higher, either of which is more important to the team long-term than  getting a few more wins this season - which even the most optimistic of fans don't expect to be part of our Superbowl window. The counterpoint to your position, then, is that rushing Bortles into the starting lineup will lead to more losses long term, and is a sign that losing is acceptable.

 

Again, though, it doesn't matter. The only case in which Gus should make the move earlier than anticipated would be if they'd genuinely expected something different out of Henne this season. And even then, one game is not a good basis to change your season plan on. If there was a real expectation that Henne would be a much better player than he ever has been and he continues to contribute to losing winnable games (and he was far from the only culprit last night, unless one of his assignments was to stop Sproles on 4th and 1) and Bortles is developing faster than expected, then you can think about moving earlier than anticipated. But if we believe what the coaching staff has said - and there's been absolutely no reason not to based on their track record - then the third of those requirements is far and away the most important one.

Quote:Considering where the team started out last year, and the improvement they made as the season progressed in 2013, we're in a better place.  Complete games will come, and sooner than anyone expects coming off this loss.  There were good signs that came from this game. 

If the team can continue to build off how great we had played in the first half then I'm excited for this season...


We should win against Washington I mean if the Texans can beat them (especially without Clowney) then we should too...

Quote:Wait.  I thought it was all on Henne?

 

Coaching contributed to this loss as well.  Sort of sounds like this might have been a team loss after all. 

 

Fisch was slow to get plays called, especially in the 2nd half, forcing us to burn timeouts unnecessarily.  Gus should have called a timeout on that play when the line was slow to get set, but he didn't, and I'm not even sure if he would have had adequate time to do so based on how quickly Philly got to the line.  Knowing the pace they use in games, they should have been better prepared to get to the line and get set.  It's not like Philly's quick pace on offense is a mystery. 

 

I never denied the fact that it wasn't a team loss. My main point about Henne was the snowball effect his abysmial play in the 2nd half affected the loss more than a couple of drops.

Quote:I never denied the fact that it wasn't a team loss. My main point about Henne was the snowball effect his abysmial play in the 2nd half affected the loss more than a couple of drops.

You're right.  The drops and complete lack of a rushing attack were all his fault.

Quote:Wait.  I thought it was all on Henne?

 

Coaching contributed to this loss as well.  Sort of sounds like this might have been a team loss after all. 

 

Fisch was slow to get plays called, especially in the 2nd half, forcing us to burn timeouts unnecessarily.  Gus should have called a timeout on that play when the line was slow to get set, but he didn't, and I'm not even sure if he would have had adequate time to do so based on how quickly Philly got to the line.  Knowing the pace they use in games, they should have been better prepared to get to the line and get set.  It's not like Philly's quick pace on offense is a mystery. 

The play calling on Offense was really bad in the 2nd half, I mean 4th and inches why not QB sneak but to be fair to Fisch the Play Action worked as Chad Henne had no pressure and time to throw to an open M. Lewis whom droped the ball on a bad pass....

 

Chad even smacked the ball as a gesture to say to Lewis you ready.. epic fail from both of them on a critical play.. but still 6:34 secs left in a game where you are only down by 7 at the opponets 20 if you didnt have confidence in running for inches on 4th they shouldve punted and not risked that throw....

 

It was a team fail... Chad did some good stuff and some bad... which I think was true from most of the players... some played great throughout the game, and some played bad the entire time....

players get injured and we knew this team doesnt have depth... especially at certain positions and Safety is one of them..

I want to start by saying that I'm just a fan and I don't know all the details the coaching staff and front office do.

 

That said, the only reason that would be acceptable in my mind to why we are not starting Bortles is if the coaching staff has determined that it would hurt his development in the grand scheme of things. 

 

This season is not a playoff season, only the delusional can't see that.  Accepting that fact, the goal of this season is to improve and build for the future. 

 

The question should be whether starting Bortles now will negatively or positively impact his development for the future.

 

I do hope that the Gabbert dumpster fire over the last 3 years hasn't gotten us too scared about young QB's....

He will develop Gabbertitis.

I don't believe Bortles will be ruined what so ever. He has confidence and poise veteran QBs posses. Everyone can see that. He is light years ahead of Chenne.


The only reason I can see is his lack of knowledge of the playbook. Other than that, he should not be holding a clip board.