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Quote:nah just a simple auto guy, that rocket stuff is for the birds!

 

I'd consider anyone that can work on a car today a scientist, you should have seen me last time I tried to change my spark plugs.

 

Quote:Actually I've vouched for you a few times in opposition of other posters so all I can say to you is the recollection skills giveth and they taketh away big boy.

 

Painting yourself as the lone voice of reason that wanted Gabbert to sit is questionable at best, and self-aggrandizement in the least.

 

See above edit,

 

FBT was the one who summized I was saying I was the only one.

 

I actually never said nor inferred that I was the only one. There were others who also agreed Blaine needed to sit that first year. All I said was that there was a large contingent that wanted to see Blaine starting immediately and cited the reasons I posted. 

Quote:I'd consider anyone that can work on a car today a scientist, you should have seen me last time I tried to change my spark plugs.

 

 

haha, the tools make the tech my man it's all about the tools.

 

I pity the fool who tries to go old school on these modern machines!

Quote:See above edit,

 

FBT was the one who summized I was saying I was the only one.

 

I actually never said nor inferred that I was the only one. There were others who also agreed Blaine needed to sit that first year. All I said was that there was a large contingent that wanted to see Blaine starting immediately and cited the reasons I posted. 

 

Quote:Most of us are in agreement now regarding taking it slow with Bortles....I remember I was in favor of using this same strategy with Gabbert as well, and it seemed like back then when I suggested it, it was met with strife from many. 

 

I guess having seen the results of throwing Gabbert out there before he was ready kinda was shot of reality for some. 

Quote:See above edit,

 

FBT was the one who summized I was saying I was the only one.

 

I actually never said nor inferred that I was the only one. There were others who also agreed Blaine needed to sit that first year. All I said was that there was a large contingent that wanted to see Blaine starting immediately and cited the reasons I posted. 

 

"I" is singular is it not?

I can't get that excited about Henne's performance in the second half of last season. Of course we won 4 of 8 and swept Houston, but if you look at the numbers.. he went 173 for 285. That's a completion percentage of 60.7%. Okay. A little better than his average, but still not amazing. He threw for 1791 yards which is an average of 223.875 yards per. That's just not gonna cut it. In this stretch he had two games under 200 yards (one where he was under 50% and threw for 117 yards and somehow 2 TDs). In the final 8 games he threw for 10 TDs and 9 INTs. An average of 1.25 and 1.125 respectively. The only 300 yard game came week 17 against an Indy team that had nothing to play for and still opened up a 30-3 lead before Henne threw his lone, meaningless TD in the 4th. The next highest yard total in this stretch was 255 yards. This is what you can expect from Henne supposedly at his best.

I said I remember having the opinion that I thought Blaine should have been brought along slowly....and that I had arguments with people who disagreed & thought Blaine should be starting immediately. 

 

nowhere did I say that "I was the only one" with that opinion. 

 

I will say that it is much more uniform now with the broad base of people in agreement that Bortles should be brought along slowly. 

Quote:I said I remember having the opinion that I thought Blaine should have been brought along slowly....and that I had arguments with people who disagreed & thought Blaine should be starting immediately. 

 

nowhere did I say that "I was the only one" with that opinion. 

 

You also portrayed it as if that was a pretty exclusive opinion.  Keep dancing.

Quote:You also portrayed it as if that was a pretty exclusive opinion.  Keep dancing.

 

No, If I was the only one, I'd have made sure that was known. 

I am searching for the thread someone started after Bortles was drafted and Dave said Henne would still be the starter. There was much angst, weeping and gnashing of teeth over drafting a QB with the 3rd pick, and not starting him.

 

IIRC, some who are sagely defending the wisdom of sitting Bortles a year in this thread were among those griping about it initially.

Quote:I am searching for the thread someone started after Bortles was drafted and Dave said Henne would still be the starter. There was much angst, weeping and gnashing of teeth over drafting a QB with the 3rd pick, and not starting him.

 

IIRC, some who are sagely defending the wisdom of sitting Bortles a year in this thread were among those griping about it initially.

 

I don't like sitting him for the year but I'm over it. I didn't like it then nor now, a 3rd overall pick IMO should still be expected to come in and make an impact from day one. If they want to ease him in fine but he better be playing lights out from the day he takes over the reigns then.

Quote:I am searching for the thread someone started after Bortles was drafted and Dave said Henne would still be the starter. There was much angst, weeping and gnashing of teeth over drafting a QB with the 3rd pick, and not starting him.

 

IIRC, some who are sagely defending the wisdom of sitting Bortles a year in this thread were among those griping about it initially.

 

I know I was lukewarm at best with the pick initially, but a lot of that was because of a few things: 1. I wanted a trade down 2. I wanted Bridgewater (or Johnny Alcohol) 3. I really didn't know much about Bortles. 

 

I don't remember any of my initial uneasiness with the pick dealing with him not being an immediate starting QB. 

Where did Dakota go?

I don't expect to see anything different from Henne that we haven't  seen already. He'll be throwing to 2 rookies, behind a mostly new line, with a new RB. Poor guy just can't find a good situation.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

Quote:I can't get that excited about Henne's performance in the second half of last season. Of course we won 4 of 8 and swept Houston, but if you look at the numbers.. he went 173 for 285. That's a completion percentage of 60.7%. Okay. A little better than his average, but still not amazing. He threw for 1791 yards which is an average of 223.875 yards per. That's just not gonna cut it. In this stretch he had two games under 200 yards (one where he was under 50% and threw for 117 yards and somehow 2 TDs). In the final 8 games he threw for 10 TDs and 9 INTs. An average of 1.25 and 1.125 respectively. The only 300 yard game came week 17 against an Indy team that had nothing to play for and still opened up a 30-3 lead before Henne threw his lone, meaningless TD in the 4th. The next highest yard total in this stretch was 255 yards. This is what you can expect from Henne supposedly at his best.

Yep. We get it. You hate Henne. You have already penciled him in to fail. Your posts infer that you are wishing for it.

 

You've said the same thing a dozen different ways. We all understand by this point that you hate Henne.

This isn't about Henne. He is who we and he knows him to be. Could he win us games with the right dynamics around him? Yes and they may be in place. But why draft Bortles #3 if you thought henne was the answer this season? or pay him back up money? Caldwell and company are selling this whole "hes competing with himself" to get better results, but Bortles already has revealed on draft day hes gunning for the starting job. Its pretty clear he has more mental toughness than our previous rookie QB's drafted. I still think Gus' motto is at play here (whether spoken or not). If Bortles beats out Henne this preseason, he'll start week 1 in time to get ready for the home opener (and hopefully battle hardened on the road and ready to rock the new scoreboards and all black).

It depends on the OL and the WRs.  Both those units are works in progress.  Henne will take some lumps maybe.

Quote:But why draft Bortles #3 if you thought henne was the answer this season?

 

Because the world does not end at the end of this season. There will be more seasons, and this team will be expecting to be coming out of the rebuilding process as we enter those seasons. If Henne is an acceptable answer for this season, but not for the long term when the team should be getting ready to make serious playoff runs then it makes sense to draft a quarterback now who will take a year to get into starting form, but once he is will be able to lead those playoff runs.

 

Quote:"I" is singular is it not?

 
Yes. But using it doesn't imply in any way that you're the only one. If I say "I like pizza," that doesn't suggest that nobody else on the face of the planet likes it.


TMD was pretty clear in what he said. He took that position. A number of people vociferously disagreed with him. And he's right. Some of them probably disagreed with him because he's TMD (he could post claiming that water is wet and you'd find some people willing to argue the case), but a lot of them disagreed with him because they felt a first round pick should start and make a difference from year one. They're wrong, but a lot of people do hold that opinion and make it known, both now and then.
 

Quote:Yep. We get it. You hate Henne. You have already penciled him in to fail. Your posts infer that you are wishing for it.

 

You've said the same thing a dozen different ways. We all understand by this point that you hate Henne.

 

Since we're concerned about the dumbing down of language:

http://grammartips.homestead.com/imply.html

These last few weeks of watching FBT and the Angry Puppy get along was really disturbing to me.  <sigh of relief>  It appears that all is right with the world once again....

Quote:I am searching for the thread someone started after Bortles was drafted and Dave said Henne would still be the starter. There was much angst, weeping and gnashing of teeth over drafting a QB with the 3rd pick, and not starting him.

 

IIRC, some who are sagely defending the wisdom of sitting Bortles a year in this thread were among those griping about it initially.

Some folks know when to jump from one side of the fence to the other in order to claim they were right either way.