Quote:We'll see. I don't get the sense they plan to deviate from their plan, which is to play him when they deem him ready. Not a moment sooner. They've made that pretty clear any time they're asked, but some of you apparently have your heads buried somewhere that sound doesn't dare travel. Neither does logic.
They're not answering the questions to alleviate pressure for any player. Not when the head coach uses the word competition in just about every sentence. Oddly, the one position where he isn't preaching that? Yeah, that's right. QB.
Bortles isn't starting week 1. You can book that now.
When you suddenly realize what my point is about competition at the QB position, I hope your head doesn't pop like a cheap balloon. That would be a shame to let that air loose.
I know you're trying to be funny here, but for some of you, you're not happy unless you're stirring up some sort of controversy. It gives you value on a message board where you're otherwise invisible, and anonymous.
Oh settle down. I never said they would want to play him before he is ready.
Logic would indicate that football is a competition. A lot can change in 4 months.
I don't have to stir up controversy to know that there will be one. Sorry, prepare yourself for fans to call for Bortles. It's going to happen whether you like it or not.
Quote:Oh settle down. I never said they would want to play him before he is ready.
Logic would indicate that football is a competition. A lot can change in 4 months.
Bortles still is going to need TIME.
This is a junior eligible raw QB.
I know there is a segment of this fan base that wants this process expedited, (microwave society), but the best thing for Bortles will be to get as much practice repetition as he can until the playbook and the work on the pro style offense fundamentals becomes second nature to him. The muscle memory will have time to take effect.
Quote:Logic would indicate that football is a competition. A lot can change in 4 months.
Logic would indicate the franchise is primarily concerned with winning a Championship, not winning the first preseason game. The Jaguars aren't winning a Championship next year, and they aren't winning a Championship ever if Bortles doesn't take the time to improve his fundamentals and mechanics to make him a much more consistent thrower.
Quote:Bortles still is going to need TIME.
This is a junior eligible raw QB.
I know there is a segment of this fan base that wants this process expedited, (microwave society), but the best thing for Bortles will be to get as much practice repetition as he can until the playbook and the work on the pro style offense fundamentals becomes second nature to him. The muscle memory will have time to take effect.
Ok, he needs time. I never said he didn't, however, this is a sport and players compete to play. You are fooling yourself if you think Bortles and Henne wont do everything they can to play.
Quote:Logic would indicate the franchise is primarily concerned with winning a Championship, not winning the first preseason game. The Jaguars aren't winning a Championship next year, and they aren't winning a Championship ever if Bortles doesn't take the time to improve his fundamentals and mechanics to make him a much more consistent thrower.
Bingo.
This isn't something to grant Bortles the starting gig immediately just because he might immediately seem better than Henne in camp/ PS games. Theres a lot that has to go into getting Bortles ready for the full time starting gig.
He's a junior eligible player so, this year will be spent as a red shirt year. Junior eligible QB rushed into immediate starting spots have generally had less than favorable results. The Jags are seemingly handling this situation the correct way. As long as they don't give in to impatient cLoWnS who are trying to rush the process.
Quote:Logic would indicate the franchise is primarily concerned with winning a Championship, not winning the first preseason game. The Jaguars aren't winning a Championship next year, and they aren't winning a Championship ever if Bortles doesn't take the time to improve his fundamentals and mechanics to make him a much more consistent thrower.
And none of that has anything to do with whether or not he plays right away. Starting Bortles right away, if ready, does not suddenly eliminate all hopes of winning a championship, so your point is moot.
Quote:Oh settle down. I never said they would want to play him before he is ready.
Logic would indicate that football is a competition. A lot can change in 4 months.
I don't have to stir up controversy to know that there will be one. Sorry, prepare yourself for fans to call for Bortles. It's going to happen whether you like it or not.
You equate being ready to being better than Henne. The two are not linked.
Logic would indicate you've got a young, raw, but talented QB who is not expected to have the issues that are impacting his game resolved by opening day. He'll be improved, but not close to ready.
As I've already indicated, there's a segment of our fan base that's not terribly bright. These are the same people who were calling for "Jerrard" (demanding a player whose name they couldn't pronounce after he was on the roster for 5 years), firing Tom Coughlin, and a host of other things over the years. I have low expectations for that crowd. Fortunately, they're a vocal minority.
Quote:You equate being ready to being better than Henne. The two are not linked.
Logic would indicate you've got a young, raw, but talented QB who is not expected to have the issues that are impacting his game resolved by opening day. He'll be improved, but not close to ready.
As I've already indicated, there's a segment of our fan base that's not terribly bright. These are the same people who were calling for "Jerrard" (demanding a player whose name they couldn't pronounce after he was on the roster for 5 years), firing Tom Coughlin, and a host of other things over the years. I have low expectations for that crowd. Fortunately, they're a vocal minority.
No I don't. As I said, it's just part of it.
Quote:You equate being ready to being better than Henne. The two are not linked.
Logic would indicate you've got a young, raw, but talented QB who is not expected to have the issues that are impacting his game resolved by opening day. He'll be improved, but not close to ready.
As I've already indicated, there's a segment of our fan base that's not terribly bright. These are the same people who were calling for "Jerrard" (demanding a player whose name they couldn't pronounce after he was on the roster for 5 years), firing Tom Coughlin, and a host of other things over the years. I have low expectations for that crowd. Fortunately, they're a vocal minority.
I still has a sadz about Weaver giving into public sentiment from the vocal minority and firing Coughlin.
All that needed to be done was fire Coughlin "the GM", and have them hire a GM that could work with Coughlin and we'd have been much better from 2003 onward.
Quote:And none of that has anything to do with whether or not he plays right away. Starting Bortles right away, if ready, does not suddenly eliminate all hopes of winning a championship, so your point is moot.
Not fixing his fundamentals eliminates all hopes of winning a Championship. He's not going to be a Championship caliber QB until he fixes his accuracy through reworking his footwork and his throwing mechanics. That's the goal. To have a Championship caliber QB in 2015 and beyond. Not to have a really cool Preseason Week 3 experience.
Starting NFL QBs have to put in 60-70 hours a week gameplanning and preparing for every week's opponent. They'e not worried about footwork. They have 52 teammates who are solely focused on winning this week's game, so that should be their sole focus. Not whether they are setting up their base too wide on a 5 step drop.
Thus the reason why the organization is sitting him.
Quote:Again, 4 MONTHS.....
I'm pretty sure Gus and Dave were pretty aware of the timing when they said it for the thousandth time that he was going to sit his rookie year.
Quote:Not fixing his fundamentals eliminates all hopes of winning a Championship. He's not going to be a Championship caliber QB until he fixes his accuracy through reworking his footwork and his throwing mechanics. That's the goal. To have a Championship caliber QB in 2015 and beyond. Starting NFL QBs have to put in 60-70 hours a week gameplanning and preparing for every week's opponent They'e not worried about footwork.
Thus the reason why the organization is sitting him.
Yep, and this isn't a case where, "oh once Bortles gets the fundamentals right a few times" then he's okay. No. Thats something that will demand repetition and more repetition until it becomes muscle memory/ second nature.
Theres a reason that Caldwell/ Bradley said they are preparing on giving Bortles the YEAR as a redshirt...
Quote:Again, 4 MONTHS.....
... which means absolutely nothing.
Quote:... which means absolutely nothing.
No, it means there is a lot of time for things to change.
Just wait until the "Bortles looks like a rookie" reports turn into, "BORTLES LOOKS GREAT OUT THERE!"
Quote:No, it means there is a lot of time for things to change.
Just wait until the "Bortles looks like a rookie" reports turn into, "BORTLES LOOKS GREAT OUT THERE!"
The only people that will have an over-effect on are the short sighted's like the ones on this thread pushing for Bortles to start yesterday.
Quote:No, it means there is a lot of time for things to change.
Just wait until the "Bortles looks like a rookie" reports turn into, "BORTLES LOOKS GREAT OUT THERE!"
You can train someone to cook fries at McDonald's in 4 months, but grownups with hard grown up jobs need more than 4 months to properly learn how to do their jobs. Being an NFL QB is an exceptionally hard job. That's why there's only about ~10-15 good ones walking the face of the earth at any particular time.
I have no doubt that idiot fans will want Bortles out there as soon as possible, and proclaim he's ready after he's completed his first preseason pass. That's what makes them idiot fans.
Quote:The only people that will have an over-effect on are the short sighted's like the ones on this thread pushing for Bortles to start yesterday.
It is only short sighted to eliminate the possibility of Bortles playing at some point during the year, including week 1.... considering its May 28.
So which is it?
'He will play when ready'
or
"He will sit the year"
They cant both be true. If they have decided to sit him for the year just because, then whether or not he is ready wont matter.