Quote:Yep. We get it. You hate Henne. You have already penciled him in to fail. Your posts infer that you are wishing for it.
You've said the same thing a dozen different ways. We all understand by this point that you hate Henne.
Yep. I hate him. I expect him to fail. And my many posts to this effect are in direct response to people implying he can achieve things his play and history tell me are not likely. But I have said, I would love to be proven wrong. I would love to win every game. Because I am a fan of this team first. In a perfect world, we have a strong enough record that BB sits most or all of the year and we make the playoffs. I expect BB to start by week 9 or 10.
Quote:Since we're concerned about the dumbing down of language:
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The more Dakota posts the better it gets.
Don't worry. Henne will revert back to Checkdown Chad when the season starts.
Quote:But then how do you bench a guy who's lighting it up?
I wouldnt worry about that.
“We had a pretty good idea we were gonna draft a quarterback, and we had those conversations with Chad even prior to when he signed. But we really felt good about the progress Chad was making,” Bradley said. “We felt that his confidence grew as the season went on, he did a good job leading, and we felt like, coming into this year, he was gonna be stronger in this role. So we felt like we had a very capable quarterback to lead our team. We also knew we were gonna draft somebody, so we looked at Blake, [and] we really liked his physical attributes, what he brought to the table. There were some things that we said, ‘OK, he’s gotta develop in some areas,’ and we felt with Chad being his mentor, and coming into an environment where he can grow and get a lot of reps … we kinda had a vision of how we’re gonna put this together, the number of reps, the little meetings after practice, the little one-on-one sessions, we felt like we could bring him along and really take this year to develop him.” - Gus Bradley
Quote:Yep. I hate him. I expect him to fail. And my many posts to this effect are in direct response to people implying he can achieve things his play and history tell me are not likely. But I have said, I would love to be proven wrong. I would love to win every game. Because I am a fan of this team first. In a perfect world, we have a strong enough record that BB sits most or all of the year and we make the playoffs. I expect BB to start by week 9 or 10.
I appreciate the honesty and conviction of your comments. I wonder why do you HATE him? If you expect him to fail is one thing but HATE seems like a strong choice of a word for a player you dont feel is the best at a position on your favorite team. Just saying...
I hope the best for Chad Henne but my previous experinces of watching him play is that he is at best a great backup QB in the NFL. He's tough, (can take a hit and doesnt cry about it as well as he can take the negative critisim without going all Cutler on people). He's smart guy, but he just lacks the ability to make all the throws. He has a lot of weapons this year (WRs) maybe he can prove me wrong, but the OLine isnt looking good so its good thing he's tough.
After much thought on the subject I do feel that putting Blake Bortles in on week 1 is a mistake, but I also dont understand why the #3 pick was made on a QB that wasnt ready week 1. I heard that Gus was suprised of the Blake signing as well, which worried me a bit.
I don't hate him as a person. I hate him as the QB of the team I love because he has brought me a great deal of frustration and misery. By all accounts he is a good guy. I just wish he was running some other team's offense.
Quote:After much thought on the subject I do feel that putting Blake Bortles in on week 1 is a mistake, but I also dont understand why the #3 pick was made on a QB that wasnt ready week 1.
Which would you rather have for the same draft pick?
1. A quarterback who will be mediocre through his career, and who will be ready to start being mediocre on day one?
2. A quarterback who will be outstanding through his career, but who requires a year of coaching and clipboard holding to reach that point?
If you answered 1, you're a fool. If you answered 2, you understand why a pick can be made on a QB that isn't ready week 1.
It's that simple.
Quote:Don't worry. Henne will revert back to Checkdown Chad when the season starts.
henne has never been a checkdown quarterback.... however bad he has been through his ups and downs, he has never been a check down quarterback. im convinced 90% of this board doesnt even watch football. you guys just go with the cool cliche insults same for every player regardless of how they play. game manager, check down qb, the next blaine gabbert......... thats all you guys know how to spit out. get off the message board and go watch some old football games and learn what youre talking about before you come on here and lower the collective IQ.
Quote:henne has never been a checkdown quarterback.... however bad he has been through his ups and downs, he has never been a check down quarterback. im convinced 90% of this board doesnt even watch football. you guys just go with the cool cliche insults same for every player regardless of how they play. game manager, check down qb, the next blaine gabbert......... thats all you guys know how to spit out. get off the message board and go watch some old football games and learn what youre talking about before you come on here and lower the collective IQ.
I'm not sure a lot of people who use the phrase even know what a check down is.
Quote:I can't get that excited about Henne's performance in the second half of last season. Of course we won 4 of 8 and swept Houston, but if you look at the numbers.. he went 173 for 285. That's a completion percentage of 60.7%. Okay. A little better than his average, but still not amazing. He threw for 1791 yards which is an average of 223.875 yards per. That's just not gonna cut it. In this stretch he had two games under 200 yards (one where he was under 50% and threw for 117 yards and somehow 2 TDs). In the final 8 games he threw for 10 TDs and 9 INTs. An average of 1.25 and 1.125 respectively. The only 300 yard game came week 17 against an Indy team that had nothing to play for and still opened up a 30-3 lead before Henne threw his lone, meaningless TD in the 4th. The next highest yard total in this stretch was 255 yards. This is what you can expect from Henne supposedly at his best.
You mean the guy who had never played in the offense system before and had received few of the preseason reps, and had a rookie Ace Sanders as his second best WR, Jordan Todman as his best running back, and Cameron Bradfield as his blindside left tackle was able to only able to achieve modest, but not Pro Bowl caliber, numbers?
Shocking.
I mean the guy who has several years as a QB and has never proven to be worthy of a starting role with any system or supporting cast.
Quote:I mean the guy who has several years as a QB and has never proven to be worthy of a starting role with any system or supporting cast.
Yeah, the Dolphins took a huge leap once they finally got rid of that Henne albatross that was holding the franchise back.
Quote:Yeah, the Dolphins took a huge leap once they finally got rid of that Henne albatross that was holding the franchise back.
Remind me who they replaced him with again?
To fix your QB problem you have to get rid of the problem QB
and replace them with someone better - something that a lot of people round here seem to have frequent problems understanding when they're calling for the head of whoever happens to be the current starter...
Quote:Remind me who they replaced him with again?
To fix your QB problem you have to get rid of the problem QB and replace them with someone better - something that a lot of people round here seem to have frequent problems understanding when they're calling for the head of whoever happens to be the current starter...
But...but ... but ... I was told by teh intawebbings that Henne is a horrible QB, and just about anyone could be an improvement over him and any team that has him as a starter will finish 2-14.
So now I find out there's actually a lot worse QBs than him? Huh.
But to be specific, he was replaced by a QB drafted in the first round. And the Dolphins didn't improve one iota.
The Dolphins QB woes are a whole other thread, but if you feel being bottom 3 in TDs is putting up modest numbers we are clearly going to have to agree to disagree.
Quote:The Dolphins QB woes are a whole other thread, but if you feel being bottom 3 in TDs is putting up modest numbers we are clearly going to have to agree to disagree.
TDs are a reflection of the ability to sustain drives to get into the red zone and provide scoring opportunities, which is a reflection of overall offensive talent. Which the Jaguars probably had the worst offensive talent in the NFL last year.
Evidently Bradley and Caldwell are on my sides, since they've retained Henne for one more year and upgraded the positions around him. I guess the expertise of intrawebbing internet posters stand on the opposite side.
Quote:TDs are a reflection of the ability to sustain drives to get into the red zone and provide scoring opportunities, which is a reflection of overall offensive talent. Which the Jaguars probably had the worst offensive talent in the NFL last year.
Evidently Bradley and Caldwell are on my sides, since they've retained Henne for one more year and upgraded the positions around him. I guess the expertise of intrawebbing internet posters stand on the opposite side.
But Chad Henne was by far the worst Quarterback in the Red Zone last year. Which is a part of why he didn't score much. Never mind the number of opportunities -- when he DID get the opportunities, he still didn't capitalize on them.
I'd say that Bradley and Caldwell aren't on your side at all. They've kept Henne for one more year, but they also used their 1st round pick on a Quarterback. A Top 3 pick at that. They know that Henne won't get the job done. Henne's just a placeholder right now. Waiting until our new QB is ready to start. He's not the ideal choice for them, but their choices were restricted by what's available.
I think its more accurate to say you are on Gus and Dave's side. Some people like it. Some don't. You can try to belittle my opinion or make excuses for Henne all you want. I see a very limited ceiling for any offense he has ever run based on statistical analysis and what I have seen him do when given the opportunity. If he proves me wrong, I would be thrilled. If he does what I expect him to do, I won't gloat for being right. I hope I'm wrong because that would mean we're winning games. But I have seen no argument or evidence to change my opinion.
Quote:I think its more accurate to say you are on Gus and Dave's side. Some people like it. Some don't. You can try to belittle my opinion or make excuses for Henne all you want. I see a very limited ceiling for any offense he has ever run based on statistical analysis and what I have seen him do when given the opportunity. If he proves me wrong, I would be thrilled. If he does what I expect him to do, I won't gloat for being right. I hope I'm wrong because that would mean we're winning games. But I have seen no argument or evidence to change my opinion.
That's all fine and good. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. In the end, the team has made it pretty clear they're comfortable with Henne as the starter this year, and confident that his play will continue to improve. You can trust their judgment, or you can dismiss it. They're getting paid to make these calls, and to date, they haven't really made any moves that are so wildly off the mark that they would put this team, or their jobs in jeopardy.
Quote:TMD was pretty clear in what he said. He took that position. A number of people vociferously disagreed with him. And he's right. Some of them probably disagreed with him because he's TMD (he could post claiming that water is wet and you'd find some people willing to argue the case), but a lot of them disagreed with him because they felt a first round pick should start and make a difference from year one. They're wrong, but a lot of people do hold that opinion and make it known, both now and then. From your post above, you appear to be one of them.
I don't know which "one of them" you think I appear to be or how you're drawing either of those conclusions from the +/-50 words I posted disagreeing with TMD's portrayal of past opinions, but I'm neither.
I don't automatically disagree with TMD, and in this case I 100% agree with him. I would rather the team be patient with Bortles in order to maximize his long term potential. They can sit him for two years if they want, if it means he'll be better in year six.