Quote:Im not banging on Henne at all. I just think its silly to think that any competition has ended this early.
Here's the flaw in your logic. There ISN'T a competition at the QB position.
Bortles was drafted to be the starter for this team. He's not competing with Henne for that job.
Henne was re-signed to be the starter for this team until Bortles is ready to assume that role. He's not competing with Bortles for the job either.
I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. The ONLY competition here is between Bortles and himself. How quickly he can develop the level of confidence with Gus and Dave in his ability to assume the starting role is all on him.
Quote:I like optimism, but there's a point where it becomes unrealistic. No one should be kidding themselves, the only reason Henne is starting is because Bortles is raw and will benefit from having a good base of training before he gets thrown to the wolves. Henne is a backup QB and he's never going to amount to more than that. Most realistic best-case scenario is that our offense around him performs very well and he is a decent game manager this year.
How is this any different from what others have asserted repeatedly?
Quote:Here's the flaw in your logic. There ISN'T a competition at the QB position.
Bortles was drafted to be the starter for this team. He's not competing with Henne for that job.
Henne was re-signed to be the starter for this team until Bortles is ready to assume that role. He's not competing with Bortles for the job either.
I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. The ONLY competition here is between Bortles and himself. How quickly he can develop the level of confidence with Gus and Dave in his ability to assume the starting role is all on him.
Semantics
Its a competition in that Bortles has to look better than Henne in practice/preseason before taking the reigns.
Quote:Semantics
Its a competition in that Bortles has to look better than Henne in practice/preseason before taking the reigns.
Bortles is working with the second team.
To Gus, one of the most important competitions is with the athlete and himself... working hard to improve yourself.
They have taken the pressure off Bortles by making it his competition not against Henne, but so that he is working solely on improving himself.
The truth is there for you if you're willing to accept it. They're letting Bortles grow this season. They aren't looking for him to take the keys this year.
Downplay Henne? Agenda?
I am downplaying him because I am realistic about his limitations as a QB and can't drink the Kool-Aid that he is going to magically become a better QB than he has been? He got beat out by Gabbert last summer. My agenda is I want this team to win and I think Henne blows. I will wave my pom poms every Sunday for him even though I think he is a bum. But I don't believe he has what it takes to deliver. You can crucify me for having a differing opinion or think I have an ulterior motive. I truly don't. I am just a fan who spends good money on tickets and wants my team to look respectable. Henne has been well below average and a primary cause for our sputtering offense. Maybe he proves me wrong, but I can not allow myself to raise my hopes on someone I have no faith in.
Quote:Semantics
Its a competition in that Bortles has to look better than Henne in practice/preseason before taking the reigns.
It's not semantics, and it's got nothing to do with looking better than anyone. It's on Bortles to show he's ready to go before he'll be handed the keys to the offense. How he compares to Henne is completely irrelevant. How he improves in those areas where he needs to get better, and how quickly he absorbs the playbook, and becomes comfortable with the speed of the game, reading defenses, and everything else he needs to work on is what will determine when he becomes the starter.
What Henne is doing out there is completely irrelevant.
Quote:Downplay Henne? Agenda?
I am downplaying him because I am realistic about his limitations as a QB and can't drink the Kool-Aid that he is going to magically become a better QB than he has been? He got beat out by Gabbert last summer. My agenda is I want this team to win and I think Henne blows. I will wave my pom poms every Sunday for him even though I think he is a bum. But I don't believe he has what it takes to deliver. You can crucify me for having a differing opinion or think I have an ulterior motive. I truly don't. I am just a fan who spends good money on tickets and wants my team to look respectable. Henne has been well below average and a primary cause for our sputtering offense. Maybe he proves me wrong, but I can not allow myself to raise my hopes on someone I have no faith in.
Hey, it's your prerogative to be as negative as you want to be. Nobody is drinking Kool-Aid where Henne is concerned, but for some reason you think they are. Not seeing it, but okay. I don't think Henne is nearly as bad as you seem to believe, and I trust the fact that with other options available to them, that Caldwell and Bradley made it a priority to bring him back. I'll trust their judgment over yours. Sorry. They're getting paid to make these decisions. You're not.
Quote:Bortles is working with the second team.
To Gus, one of the most important competitions is with the athlete and himself... working hard to improve yourself.
They have taken the pressure off Bortles by making it his competition not against Henne, but so that he is working solely on improving himself.
The truth is there for you if you're willing to accept it. They're letting Bortles grow this season. They aren't looking for him to take the keys this year.
He is competing against himself and Henne. He is going to do his best to get on the field, and Henne will do his best to stay on it. They are competing... it's a competition.
Quote:It's not semantics, and it's got nothing to do with looking better than anyone. It's on Bortles to show he's ready to go before he'll be handed the keys to the offense. How he compares to Henne is completely irrelevant. How he improves in those areas where he needs to get better, and how quickly he absorbs the playbook, and becomes comfortable with the speed of the game, reading defenses, and everything else he needs to work on is what will determine when he becomes the starter.
What Henne is doing out there is completely irrelevant.
it isn't irrelevant. I'd say the first step would be to outplay our current starter, therefore, giving us the best chance to win. It's not rocket surgery.
Quote:He is competing against himself and Henne. He is going to do his best to get on the field, and Henne will do his best to stay on it. They are competing... it's a competition.
I really don't see how anyone can honestly believe he's competing against Henne. He's not. It's not a competition between the two of them. It's really not that difficult to understand if you bothered listening to what the head coach and GM have been saying all along.
Quote:It's not semantics, and it's got nothing to do with looking better than anyone. It's on Bortles to show he's ready to go before he'll be handed the keys to the offense. How he compares to Henne is completely irrelevant. How he improves in those areas where he needs to get better, and how quickly he absorbs the playbook, and becomes comfortable with the speed of the game, reading defenses, and everything else he needs to work on is what will determine when he becomes the starter.
What Henne is doing out there is completely irrelevant.
barring if Henne led us to a 6-2 start or something similar its hard to imagine Bortles getting the starting job even if ready. I wonder if at that point it would be about not wanting to disrupt test chemistry and increasing Henne's trade value?
Quote:it isn't irrelevant. I'd say the first step would be to outplay our current starter, therefore, giving the best chance to win. It's not rocket surgery.
I disagree.
Gabbert outplayed Henne in training camp and in practices last year, and was named the starter. That was in a direct competition between the two. How'd that work out?
Bortles benchmark isn't to play better than the current starter, and then he's the new starter. Bortles benchmark is to improve in very specific areas, and to master the playbook. When he has done that, the starting job is his. He's not competing at all with Henne, which is why Henne's performance on the field is COMPLETELY irrelevant to when he assumes the starting role.
Quote:barring if Henne led us to a 6-2 start or something similar its hard to imagine Bortles getting the starting job even if ready. I wonder if at that point it would be about not wanting to disrupt test chemistry and increasing Henne's trade value?
Caldwell has already said they wouldn't make a change in that scenario.
Quote:I disagree.
Gabbert outplayed Henne in training camp and in practices last year, and was named the starter. That was in a direct competition between the two. How'd that work out?
Bortles benchmark isn't to play better than the current starter, and then he's the new starter. Bortles benchmark is to improve in very specific areas, and to master the playbook. When he has done that, the starting job is his. He's not competing at all with Henne, which is why Henne's performance on the field is COMPLETELY irrelevant to when he assumes the starting role.
All those things he needs to improve are going to determine his performance, which needs to be better than Henne before playing.
I agree, once he is ready, the job is his. I just don't see the point in saying, "It's not a competition" when the players are clearly competing to get on the field. When that is, we don't know yet.... not even GuS/Dave. And it's certainly too early to say, "It's been laid to rest." It definitely hasn't. It's going to take a full preseason and TC before the coaches determine who should start.
Gus and Dave are just saying the right things. They want to take pressure off Bortles so he doesn't feel the need to be ready right away, but the player is still going to compete to be ready right away.
Quote:All those things he needs to improve are going to determine his performance, which needs to be better than Henne before playing.
I agree, once he is ready, the job is his. I just don't see the point in saying, "It's not a competition" when the players are clearly competing to get on the field. When that is, we don't know yet.... not even GuS/Dave. And it's certainly too early to say, "It's been laid to rest." It definitely hasn't. It's going to take a full preseason and TC before the coaches determine who should start.
The notion that it's a competition would have merit if the team hadn't already said he's the starter when they determine he's ready to assume that role. They didn't say anything about an open competition. They didn't even hint at competition. He's the starting QB when he's ready. They've even spoken to Henne to make sure he understands his role and what the possibilities are.
It has been laid to rest multiple times. The problem here is some folks just won't pull their heads out of the sand and listen to what the head coach and GM are saying.
Quote:The notion that it's a competition would have merit if the team hadn't already said he's the starter when they determine he's ready to assume that role. They didn't say anything about an open competition. They didn't even hint at competition. He's the starting QB when he's ready. They've even spoken to Henne to make sure he understands his role and what the possibilities are.
It has been laid to rest multiple times. The problem here is some folks just won't pull their heads out of the sand and listen to what the head coach and GM are saying.
"When he is ready" is determined by competition... you know, SPORT.
Quote:"When he is ready" is determined by competition... you know, SPORT.
No, it's not. When he's ready is determined by the head coach and GM monitoring his progress in mastering the playbook, and improvements to his mechanics, SPORT. Are you really not listening to a thing they're saying?
Not once have they said "when he's better than Henne, he starts." They haven't even referenced Henne in any way as a measurement for determining when Bortles is ready. But hay, keep on deluding yourself into thinking there's a real competition at play here. When Henne is struggling, and they still don't put Bortles in, you can let us all hear about that competition again.
Lol regardless of what they say Both Henne and Bortles see it as a competition. Henne knows the clock is ticking and that poor play could possibly force the coaches hand regardless of what they say.
Bortles knows he is working to surpass Henne which would go a long way to proving that he is ready to be a starter in this league.
Quote:Caldwell has already said they wouldn't make a change in that scenario.
well, there you go... Henne's performance would then be relevant.