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Quote:well, there you go... Henne's performance would then be relevant.

 

 

They're not going to pull a QB if he's playing with a hot hand.  They're also not going to bench him if he's struggling.  That kind of deflates your little dream.

 

Bortles will assume the starting role when he's ready.  They haven't minced words here.  You've simply either chosen to ignore what they're saying, or the words are difficult for you to comprehend. Which is it?

Quote:Downplay Henne? Agenda?


I am downplaying him because I am realistic about his limitations as a QB and can't drink the Kool-Aid that he is going to magically become a better QB than he has been? He got beat out by Gabbert last summer. My agenda is I want this team to win and I think Henne blows. I will wave my pom poms every Sunday for him even though I think he is a bum. But I don't believe he has what it takes to deliver. You can crucify me for having a differing opinion or think I have an ulterior motive. I truly don't. I am just a fan who spends good money on tickets and wants my team to look respectable. Henne has been well below average and a primary cause for our sputtering offense. Maybe he proves me wrong, but I can not allow myself to raise my hopes on someone I have no faith in.

The thing is there is no all or nothing. It's not hall of fame or scrub. The thought is that with a push from Bortles and improvement at all areas around him he can play better. 20 plus tds and 3500 hundred is not a huge task to achieve. Henne can average 250 a game. That was Gabbert barley hitting 100


The guy has shown he can play within the game plan. That's the point. No one feels he will be a top 5 probowl qb this year but if the cast around him is better then I think he can play better

Quote:No, it's not.  When he's ready is determined by the head coach and GM monitoring his progress in mastering the playbook, and improvements to his mechanics, SPORT.  Are you really not listening to a thing they're saying? 

 

Not once have they said "when he's better than Henne, he starts."  They haven't even referenced Henne in any way as a measurement for determining when Bortles is ready.  But hay, keep on deluding yourself into thinking there's a real competition at play here.  When Henne is struggling, and they still don't put Bortles in, you can let us all hear about that competition again.

 

They don't have to say it for it to be true.  I can think for myself, and we should all know enough about the NFL to know that what coaches say and do are two completely different things.

 

He has to do more than just be better than Henne, but that doesn't mean it isn't a competition or that there wont be controversy.  There absolutely will be.

 

Quote:They're not going to pull a QB if he's playing with a hot hand.  They're also not going to bench him if he's struggling.  That kind of deflates your little dream.

 

Bortles will assume the starting role when he's ready.  They haven't minced words here.  You've simply either chosen to ignore what they're saying, or the words are difficult for you to comprehend. Which is it?

 

I make no apology... what coaches/GMs say should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

Until its actually the week before game time when they say who is starting....  Not 4 months prior to actual football.

 

Gus saying, "Henne will start week 1" doesn't mean anything when its May 28.

 

Deflates my dream?  What is that?  If they don't pull Henne due to performance, then it is relevant...not irrelevant.

 

We must not be watching the same guy. I need to be careful here.. I don't want to get too negative about a guy who threw 13 TDs and 14 INTs or I risk being slammed by FBT. I don't get paid to make personnel decisions either so how valid can my opinion be. oh well.. here goes.. I didn't see a guy who could play within the game plan. I saw a guy who came out flat more often than he didn't and disappeared for large chunks of almost every game. I hated that we re-signed him although there were few available QBs I would have liked in free agency. It was clear we were going to take a QB early by re-signing him. He is a marginal stop gap. I don't think he is capable of 20 TDs in a season (although I would be thrilled for him to prove me wrong).

Quote:We must not be watching the same guy. I need to be careful here.. I don't want to get too negative about a guy who threw 13 TDs and 14 INTs or I risk being slammed by FBT. I don't get paid to make personnel decisions either so how valid can my opinion be. oh well.. here goes.. I didn't see a guy who could play within the game plan. I saw a guy who came out flat more often than he didn't and disappeared for large chunks of almost every game. I hated that we re-signed him although there were few available QBs I would have liked in free agency. It was clear we were going to take a QB early by re-signing him. He is a marginal stop gap. I don't think he is capable of 20 TDs in a season (although I would be thrilled for him to prove me wrong).

 

He is our best option until Bortles WINS the job... or doesn't win the the job but gets the job.  However you want to put it.

 

I get the whole "bringing him along slowly" approach, but in my heart I believed Bortles was the best option about two seconds after Goodell called his name. When it happens, it happens, but I am truly ready for Henne to be holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

Quote:PS: did I mention that by all accounts, Henne also looks pretty sharp out there.

 

Henne is a talented guy actually. He could surprise if he ever gets a chance to get comfortable with an offense

Quote:Here's the flaw in your logic.  There ISN'T a competition at the QB position. 

 

Bortles was drafted to be the starter for this team.  He's not competing with Henne for that job.

 

Henne was re-signed to be the starter for this team until Bortles is ready to assume that role.  He's not competing with Bortles for the job either. 

 

I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.  The ONLY competition here is between Bortles and himself.  How quickly he can develop the level of confidence with Gus and Dave in his ability to assume the starting role is all on him.  

 

 

Quote:Caldwell has already said they wouldn't make a change in that scenario. 

 

 

Quote:The notion that it's a competition would have merit if the team hadn't already said he's the starter when they determine he's ready to assume that role.  They didn't say anything about an open competition.  They didn't even hint at competition.  He's the starting QB when he's ready.  They've even spoken to Henne to make sure he understands his role and what the possibilities are. 

 

It has been laid to rest multiple times.  The problem here is some folks just won't pull their heads out of the sand and listen to what the head coach and GM are saying. 

 

 

 

This is how I picture the OMGZSTARTBORTLEZIMMEDIATELY!!!!! crowd when they are given the truth about the 2014 QB situation:

 

Quote:This is how I picture the OMGZSTARTBORTLEZIMMEDIATELY!!!!! crowd when they are given the truth about the 2014 QB situation:

 

 

There's definitely a desire by some here to completely ignore what they're being told. 

Quote:I make no apology... what coaches/GMs say should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

Until its actually the week before game time when they say who is starting....  Not 4 months prior to actual football.

 

Gus saying, "Henne will start week 1" doesn't mean anything when its May 28.

 

Deflates my dream?  What is that?  If they don't pull Henne due to performance, then it is relevant...not irrelevant.

 

 

Yes, because this coach and GM have a long track record of not speaking the truth when talking to the media. 

 

Eventually it will sink in that your wishes that they'd bench Henne and start Bortles week 1 aren't going to happen, and each week after that should wind up being a huge disappointment for you.  Might want to prepare yourself.

Quote:We must not be watching the same guy. I need to be careful here.. I don't want to get too negative about a guy who threw 13 TDs and 14 INTs or I risk being slammed by FBT. I don't get paid to make personnel decisions either so how valid can my opinion be. oh well.. here goes.. I didn't see a guy who could play within the game plan. I saw a guy who came out flat more often than he didn't and disappeared for large chunks of almost every game. I hated that we re-signed him although there were few available QBs I would have liked in free agency. It was clear we were going to take a QB early by re-signing him. He is a marginal stop gap. I don't think he is capable of 20 TDs in a season (although I would be thrilled for him to prove me wrong).

 

The only opinion that matters is the one being formulated by the people who actually have a say in the decision making process.  They've been pretty clear what their view of Henne is, and if they didn't feel comfortable with what he brings to the table for the short term, I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have made it a priority to re-sign him.  Their jobs depend on getting decisions like this right.  Apparently, the QBs you liked in free agency didn't inspire much excitement from the Jaguars front office.  I'll trust their judgment on that over a message board GM.  Sorry.

 

We'll see what he's capable of this year.  He's got 16 games to show what he can do.  After that, he's back to the backup role.

 

Quote:I get the whole "bringing him along slowly" approach, but in my heart I believed Bortles was the best option about two seconds after Goodell called his name. When it happens, it happens, but I am truly ready for Henne to be holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

 

I guess it's a good thing your heart isn't making the decisions for this team.

Quote:Yes, because this coach and GM have a long track record of not speaking the truth when talking to the media. 

 

Eventually it will sink in that your wishes that they'd bench Henne and start Bortles week 1 aren't going to happen, and each week after that should wind up being a huge disappointment for you.  Might want to prepare yourself.

 

Things change....especially when real football gets played.  These questions by the media are just being answered by Gus/Dave in the best way to not add pressure to the situation.  It doesn't mean there isn't or wont be a competition.

 

Im prepared for whatever, nor do I care who plays week 1.  However, I'm not so dumb or naïve to think that it isn't possible for Bortles to play week 1.  He might, he might not.  NOBODY KNOWS. 

 

You might want to prepare yourself for some competition.  God forbid these guys actually compete for their jobs... That might be too much for you to handle.

 

Oh NO. NO CONTROVERSY! MY LITTLE HEART CANT TAKE IT!  Everything needs to happen smoothly and neatly so I can make sense of this world.

Quote:How is this any different from what others have asserted repeatedly?

I guess you missed this thread: http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top...and-notes/

 

I see messages from some people on here saying he's going to put up really good numbers, have the best year of his career, etc.

Quote:I guess you missed this thread: http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top...and-notes/

 

I see messages from some people on here saying he's going to put up really good numbers, have the best year of his career, etc.

 

We must have different definitions of "really good numbers" or what it would mean for him to have the best year of his career.  When I read that thread, the only people posting predictions are setting numbers that would make Henne probably a middle tier QB or even in the lower third.  Yeah, they're really talking about "really good numbers."

 

Reading comprehension is a lost art.

 

You seem to be interpreting that to mean he'll have Brady/Manning-like stats, but I haven't seen a single poster who has posted their predictions who was being unreasonable in their very mediocre expectations for Henne this year.  When they say he may have the best year of his career, is that something that's impossible to fathom considering his stats have been pretty average? 

 

I think some people are just determined to trash Henne any chance they can, and they're trying to twist reality into something that portrays people with modest expectations as being off the charts optimistic about what he can accomplish.  Most are basically taking his stats from last year in 13 games, using the average of those games and extrapolating that out over an additional 3 starts.  Yeah, that's just crazy to think he might actually have positive yardage in a game. 

 

Some of you are hellbent on trying to portray Henne as some historically bad QB, and he's not.  He's average on his best day, and if he can reach that level for this season, the expectations I've seen from those willing to actually post numbers are more than attainable.  It's as if some of you just need something to rip this team, or certain players over. 

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I guess it's a good thing your heart isn't making the decisions for this team.

 

Yep....

 

IMO, this is something else we can blame the JDR regime for....

 

THat regime liked to hand out immediate starting spots to rookies as if they were pennies. 

 

Now we have a bunch of fans that (wrongly) expect guys like Bortles to come in and start immediately, even though its the wrong way to handle things. 

Quote:Things change....especially when real football gets played.  These questions by the media are just being answered by Gus/Dave in the best way to not add pressure to the situation.  It doesn't mean there isn't or wont be a competition.

 

Im prepared for whatever, nor do I care who plays week 1.  However, I'm not so dumb or naïve to think that it isn't possible for Bortles to play week 1.  He might, he might not.  NOBODY KNOWS. 

 

You might want to prepare yourself for some competition.  God forbid these guys actually compete for their jobs... That might be too much for you to handle.

 

 

We'll see.  I don't get the sense they plan to deviate from their plan, which is to play him when they deem him ready.  Not a moment sooner.  They've made that pretty clear any time they're asked, but some of you apparently have your heads buried somewhere that sound doesn't dare travel.  Neither does logic.

 

They're not answering the questions to alleviate pressure for any player.  Not when the head coach uses the word competition in just about every sentence.  Oddly, the one position where he isn't preaching that?  Yeah, that's right.  QB. 

 

Bortles isn't starting week 1.  You can book that now. 

 

When you suddenly realize what my point is about competition at the QB position, I hope your head doesn't pop like a cheap balloon.  That would be a shame to let that air loose. 

 

Quote:Oh NO. NO CONTROVERSY! MY LITTLE HEART CANT TAKE IT!  Everything needs to happen smoothly and neatly so I can make sense of this world.

 

I know you're trying to be funny here, but for some of you, you're not happy unless you're stirring up some sort of controversy.  It gives you value on a message board where you're otherwise invisible, and anonymous. 

Quote:Yep....

 

IMO, this is something else we can blame the JDR regime for....

 

THat regime liked to hand out immediate starting spots to rookies as if they were pennies. 

 

Now we have a bunch of fans that (wrongly) expect guys like Bortles to come in and start immediately, even though its the wrong way to handle things. 

 

There's a segment of our fan base that's simply not that bright.  It's okay to speak the truth. 

Quote:Who's a Henne optimist? I don't think anyone's expecting Henne to do anything

I expect him to manage the game and be reasonably productive until Bortles is ready. Based on his performance last year and the presumed improvement in the offense this year, he should reach 3800 yards and 20 TDs or so. Don't forget this is only the second time in his career he's had a second consecutive year in the same system. Edited to say: assuming he has 16 starts.